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| What kind of training method YOU believe Frieza and Tagoma did to reach their RoF levels?; Share your head canon with me, also relevant for Shisami in the Resurrection 'F' movie | |
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| lazerbem | Jan 7 2018, 06:02 PM Post #16 |
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Freeza cashed in his complementary nostalgia coupon for a huge boost in relevance to the plot in Super. Tagoma just got lucky with the slightly more important henchman lotto. |
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| Hebrew Wolfman | Jan 7 2018, 06:31 PM Post #17 |
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So if Frieza would have kicked the s*** out of Captain Ginyu (who is slightly over 5 times stronger than Tagoma) back in DBZ he was to achieve the Golden Frieza form and surpassing the initial SSB level within 3 weeks (or 5 times faster than his 4 months with Tagoma/Shisami)? and was Ginyu at the tier of Majin Buu who hatched from the cocoon level by then? It's just stupid, I'd be more than happy if the training planet/method included a time distortion a-la-Room of Spirit and Time (besides the gravity issue) in which the 4 months were actually equal to 1 year of intense training (almost non-stop but Tagoma's recovery sessions, if they indeed need no sleep due to their alien biology). It'd be funny if none of the clips Sorbet had of the Z-Fighters had Vegeta in them as Frieza didn't knew he was still on Earth/with Goku when they got to the battlefield. Tagoma on the other hand should've been aware of all of the other Z-Fighters' moves after watching them train and fight the Androids, Cell and Majin Buu - that what gave him the cocky attitude he'll come out triumphant out of the battle against them (besides his "body of steel" gained by being a walking darts board &/ punching bag). Edited by Hebrew Wolfman, Jan 7 2018, 07:05 PM.
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| Notaka | Jan 7 2018, 07:20 PM Post #18 |
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Keyword being back in DBZ: Nobody in DBZ made these huge ridiculous gains. If Frieza were to train with Ginyu he'd be at best around 17's level within four months, at best. DBS had buffed up his gain to make him relevant again. It's stupid, I'm not arguing it's not but nowhere do they mention special conditions. All they said was Frieza had beaten up Tagoma for 4 months and became god level. They don't mention a special place or special conditions. Now what I would find more believable then special conditions, and maybe confirmed by the show is that once Frieza achieved his golden form he became that strong, kind of like how strong Goku became once he did the ritual and achieved his Super Saiyan god form. Of course that doesn't explain Tagoma, how he somehow became this strong because as soon as Frieza achieved the golden form he rushed straight to earth. So no matter how much you look at it, the lack of special conditions/special training place and the flaw within my theory, we'll just have to go with the show's explanation no matter how stupid it is: Frieza was a prodigy and achieved god level within 4 months, by beating up Tagoma each day, who happened to get stronger from surviving the hell Frieza inflicted on him(which would be believable if the boost was reasonable.) Edited by Notaka, Jan 7 2018, 07:23 PM.
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| superperfectnerd | Jan 8 2018, 02:43 AM Post #19 |
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Freeza was torturing Tagoma in that scene to reintroduce us to how cruel Freeza is, doesn't have to be their only method of training, I see nothing wrong with headcanon for this. We don't know what he did but we can use our imagination. I take the movie over the arc anyway, so I don't worry about Tagoma. That Ginyu stuff has to be filler anyway doesn't it? If Ginyu is still evil enough to want to serve Freeza then he shouldn't have been wished back when 'only the good people' were revived from Kid Boo's destruction of Earth. Ginyu should be dead. Not to mention he's been a frog for 15 years? If all he needed to do was write on the ground and any mook who read it out loud would end up body switched, he could have done this on a human yeas ago. Then found Goku and used it on him again. And of all the places on Earth Ginyu frog just happens to be where Freeza touches down? Really? Movie ftw, forget that arc. |
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| Hebrew Wolfman | Jan 8 2018, 11:12 AM Post #20 |
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I am still in the favor that in order to gain god ki Frieza must have did some ritual after he finished pounding his lackey Tagoma around almost 24/7(never mentioned it here before, I know), what if once acquiring the level of power needed to go "Golden Frieza" he assumed it wasn't enough (let's say he was just semi-SSG level), he stopped his mental training along side Tagoma and went to his home world. There he visited the temple (let's say his race has a religion that is centered around Beerus and Kid Buu who by miracle spared them in each of their visits) and "asked" the Head Priest to place him (Frieza) in the center of the temple and to stand in front of him where from all other 12 points around it - making it a 13 faces (geometry) shaped area - and channel the power levels of his most strongest 13 ancestors to him, knowing it's a complete abomination of their religion that simply respect and cherish their ancestors but don't do séance upon them but Frieza (who in the meanwhile transformed into his final form due to the amount of power he is "obtaining") never really gave a damn about religion or tradition. Frieza promised them before the ritual began he won't kill them if they comply and so he did but the ritual takes the entire clergy out of conscious state, the Grand Priest looks at Frieza who is glowing with god ki aura with fear and collapses. END OF STORY TILL EARTH. Without being a dick I think that the scenario I gave here was much better than just pounding Zarbon-esque lackey for 4 months. The Dragon Ball Super Resurrection 'F' Arc could've been so much better if the preparations for Frieza's invasion weren't so rushed, let's say they had another 4 episodes of slices of life epiosdes (like an episode Yamcha's "West City Titans" are playing against the "Satan City Devils" led by Sharpner who is married to Erasa and invited Gohan and Videl, who is still preganant, over to the match and learned MVP Yamcha is a close friend of his OR an episode dedicated for Tien and Launch's "love" story that still exist after all these years) while Frieza and Tagoma are training (I guess Shisami was in charge of preparing the ~30 mercenaries with the new battle armor Toyotaro drew in the promotional manga) and another episode before Frieza steps in to torture Gohan with Tagoma demonstrating his new "body of steel" strength before getting stopped by SSJ Gotenks (I also wanted Yamcha and Chiaotzu to fight the 1000 mooks army, Androids 17 & 18 to take out the mercenaries instead of Master Roshi and Jaco who aren't capable of doing so, and Majin Buu will show up in the last moment to save Piccolo from dying and take part in the battle against Frieza alongside Gohan till Goku and Vegeta return). Welp, if I only worked at Toei.... |
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