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UI Goku (vs Kefla) > SSJ2 Kefla > UI Goku (vs Jiren) with proof
Topic Started: Dec 28 2017, 07:56 PM (891 Views)
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I've seen some people in denial of how strong Kefla is. Also some seem to believe Goku with UI was weaker against Kefla than against Jiren because of his low stamina. This isn't true.

Against Kefla, Goku begins steaming, ignites his ki and lets out a huge roar. He's obviously powering up. Freeza encourages him to keep getting stronger:

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Kefla says the same:

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As Kefla is powering up as SSJ2, Piccolo comments on her power:

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He has to be referring to either Blue Kaioken x20 or UI against Jiren. Considering he can't sense God ki to know how strong the former was (UI Goku can be sensed) and Whis' comment about regular SSJ Kefla already rivaling the Genki Dama, Piccolo must be referring to UI.

And for good measure, after Goku loses UI after eliminating Kefla:

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Bring it.





Edited by Slifer, Dec 28 2017, 07:58 PM.
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I imagine so, provided you afford Kefla with what might be the greatest Potara enhancement seen by anyone in this series. Hopefully you'll forgive me for being just a tad bit incredulous about such a phenomenon when Vegetto's boost was intended to represent the apex of achievability by those magical devices. It seemed like a shortsighted and downright unbelievable concept for U6 Saiyans to pose enough of a threat for warranting the usage of SSJG in the first place. Some choose to rationalise it as the compulsion of a weary Goku who was severely depleted of his stamina. In fairness, illogicality and creative license is the name of the trade for Super's anime. The Kefla debacle is another link in the chain of power related contrivances that make up Super's running.

Should someone be looking to ascribe some attempt at rationalisation, I would think that Kefla's performance against UI Goku carried a certain amount of embellishment for appearance's sake. Previous moments in fights where monstrous power gaps existed have painted an image of seemingly impossible survivability, if only for a short while. Take for example Goku's deteriorating struggle against Freeza - he suffered multiple hits in his base state that should have obliterated anyone upon contact. The power disparity between them was 20x prior to Goku's ki decreasing "a whole lot". Who can say what it was afterwards. I think it may have increased to as high as 24x Goku's power at the time. You then have a somewhat weakened Base Goku avoiding the Tsuibi Kienzan from a Freeza at 100% who is admittedly quite tired himself. Who knows how much the disparity had increased to in that instance - needless to say I think it's safe to conclude that it may have increased at least 3x what Goku was experiencing after his depletion from the Kaioken x20 attack.

You can also factor in Goku's unfamiliarity with attacking in Ultra Instinct for why Kefla held in there for so long. Some explanatory conditions and precedents do seem to exist there.
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I initially thought it was BS that SSJ Kefla could be as strong as the spirit bomb, which must be at minimum somewhere around twice that of KKx20 Goku, and yet "kaio-Ken" Goku knocked her flat. I have since considered that Goku got stronger since the Jiren fight in order for that to make sense. Goku would have to get somewhere around 2.5x stronger or more, which isn't out of the realm of plausibility. It's just weird that Goku is both tired AND stronger than before.

Vs Jiren:
Goku:
~Blue: 10
KKx20: 200
Spirit Bomb: 400
Ultra Instinct: 500

Vs Kefla:

Kefla:
Base: 4
~SSJ, Initial: 240
~SSJ, Full: 400

Goku:
Blue: 25
KKx10: 250
KKx20: 500
Edited by Dagon, Dec 29 2017, 10:35 PM.
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Dec 29 2017, 10:35 PM
I initially thought it was BS that SSJ Kefla could be as strong as the spirit bomb, which must be at minimum somewhere around twice that of KKx20 Goku, and yet "kaio-Ken" Goku knocked her flat. I have since considered that Goku got stronger since the Jiren fight in order for that to make sense. Goku would have to get somewhere around 2.5x stronger or more, which isn't out of the realm of plausibility. It's just weird that Goku is both tired AND stronger than before.

Vs Jiren:
Goku:
~Blue: 10
KKx20: 200
Spirit Bomb: 400
Ultra Instinct: 500

Vs Kefla:

Kefla:
Base: 4
~SSJ, Initial: 240
~SSJ, Full: 400

Goku:
Blue: 25
KKx10: 250
KKx20: 500
I seem to recall someone noting how Goku and Kefla were both getting stronger the more they fought.
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Kefla is one of the strongest participants that were in the ToP. Kefla was implied to be holding back too against Blue Goku and one shots him, albeit off guard, but since Goku was paying attention in actuality, she was definitely stronger in just her Super Saiyan form.

Ultra Instinct Goku (@Kefla) >~ Super Saiyan 2 Kefla >> Ultra Instinct Goku (@Jiren) >~ Jiren (@Goku) >> Super Saiyan Kefla >~ KKx20 Universe 7 Spirit Bomb >> KKx20 Blue Goku >>> Super Saiyan Blue Goku >> Base Kefla >> Super Saiyan God Goku
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Dec 30 2017, 12:11 AM
I seem to recall someone noting how Goku and Kefla were both getting stronger the more they fought.
I think it was Shin or Old Kai. The quote is "They're getting even stronger!" or something really basic like that. There is wiggle room in the scale I made. Goku broke his limits, that was stated, so he did get stronger. I guess on my scale it could be he starts out at like 15 and ascends to 25 or what have you. It's just a ballpark figure.

As for Kefla, she is half of Kale, who has that green SSJ with is more powerful than normal. Kefla simply didn't express full power at first is all.
Edited by Dagon, Dec 30 2017, 03:04 AM.
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