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Can they amp themselves with God ki?
Topic Started: Dec 19 2017, 09:18 PM (7,341 Views)
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If the instance with Vegeta didn't exist, there'd be no fuel for this theory IMO. Goku and Hit's fight is easily explained as Hit knowing Goku was holding back, thus he was holding back as well.
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Even ignoring the Goku Black thing, Freeza still poses a problem since we have no reason to believe the events of Freeza's invasion have changed. Maybe they will, but for now, it's only natural to assume the Super manga assumes the events of the film took place.
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My reason is that that promotional piece came out before the actual manga was even released, so I'm under no obligation to consider it or to follow what happened in the anime.
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But there's no reason to assume the events changed.
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There's no reason to assume they're the same when other events have changed between mediums.
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Saiyan Beyond God existed in the movies. But apart from that ROF-manga teaser, it never really appeared in the continuity of the manga series.
I don't consider it like real 'canon' anymore.

They had to start the anime with the U6-arc OR made BOG more loyal to the manga and adapted ROF (use of SSG but no SBG). It would have been a lot more coherent.

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Dec 26 2017, 04:55 AM
There's no reason to assume they're the same when other events have changed between mediums.
I disagree. The fact he skipped it suggests things haven't changed. If he had intended on changing things, he probably would have covered it.
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There's no reason to assume they're the same when other events have changed between mediums.
I disagree. The fact he skipped it suggests things haven't changed. If he had intended on changing things, he probably would have covered it.
Saiyan Beyond God was never implied in the Manga. He skipped Frieza Arc to catch up with the Anime.
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Saiyan Beyond God and what I'm suggesting are two different things. Saiyan Beyond God is the idea that Goku's base form absorbed the power of Super Saiyan God. I'm suggesting they can use God Ki to amplify their base and transformed states.

I don't recall it being confirmed that he skipped the Golden Freeza arc to play catch up.
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You can confirm it by looking at the chapter lengths. Things get more detailed and far longer when those re-tellings are done with. Chapters 1 through 8 are between 16-19 pages. Chapters 5 through 13 cover the Champa arc, which is a little more than twice as much coverage as the BoG arc got, plus it contains three chapters of 31 pages and one chapter of 39 pages, again about twice as much as BoG chapters.

It's obvious to me that Toyotaro was rushing things at the start to not fall too far behind the anime. The re-tellings didn't need much coverage; you got the gist of things from the movies and anime.

RoF chp 1 - 2/21/2015
RoF chp 2 - 3/20/2015
RoF movie - 4/18/2015
RoF chp 3 - 4/21/2015
DBS anime - 5/5/2015
DBS manga - 6/20/2015

The dates and the amount of effort put into different parts of the manga don't make me a believer that the intention was using the previously released RoF chapters, especially when those were definitely promotional for the movie.
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I don't think he was rushing it to play catch up. Maybe he rushed RF but the main reason is because toriyama said he wanted the retellings in the manga to be short and sweet

I wouldn't say it's not possible things were different in the off panel RF though. Things were a bit different for a lot of other things. Even the stuff we saw in the beginning just before the rest of saga was new like toyotarou showing us frieza's planet. That didn't happen in the promo, movie, or anime.
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Toppo showed that he can transform and become a God and goku implied they learned the same stuff

So if a saiyan does what toppo did then do they become a god in base form or do they become a ssjg?
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Dec 28 2017, 05:32 PM
Toppo showed that he can transform and become a God and goku implied they learned the same stuff

So if a saiyan does what toppo did then do they become a god in base form or do they become a ssjg?
Simply means Toppo can use god ki the same as Goku.
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