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| Vegerot1990 | Dec 25 2017, 04:01 PM Post #31 |
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Its been stated that they only use God Ki when they are using Super Saiyan Blue or Red. Super Saiyan 2 maybe have hidden Potential which can be achieved through Rage. In the Anime Trunks achieved Super Saiyan Rage with Super Saiyan 2 through Rage. The Regular Super Saiyan forms don't have the Ki Control that Super Saiyan Blue have. Edited by Vegerot1990, Dec 25 2017, 04:03 PM.
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| + ThePrinceOfSaiyans | Dec 25 2017, 04:03 PM Post #32 |
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Problem is Vegeta seemed pretty surprised that Trunks could power up even further as a Super Saiyan 2. Seems pretty evident to me that Vegeta's outburst was temporary. I also don't recall it being stated that they only possess God Ki in SSG and SSGSS. |
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| Vegerot1990 | Dec 25 2017, 04:12 PM Post #33 |
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Because Goku and Vegeta cannot be sensed by regular Mortals when they are using God forms. They can be sensed fine when they are using Base, SSJ 1, SSJ 2, SSJ 3. |
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| + Ssj3vegito96 | Dec 25 2017, 04:27 PM Post #34 |
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It is implied. Toppo says goku finally has a god aura when he turns ssjg |
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| * Yu Narukami | Dec 25 2017, 04:40 PM Post #35 |
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That's assuming Goku would be using his God Ki-amped SSJ forms to begin with though. He never starts off all-out, and the pace at which Beerus forced him to transform meant that augmenting them would be pointless. |
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| Vegerot1990 | Dec 25 2017, 04:51 PM Post #36 |
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Even if they could use God Ki with Regular Forms. The Aura should have changed. |
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| + Ssj3vegito96 | Dec 25 2017, 05:27 PM Post #37 |
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Yeah that's a good point. I forgot about that Also something I just thought about. Both times a gold haired form seemed really strong, goku and vegeta knew or at least had an idea of how strong their opponent was Goku used ssj1 against hit after vegeta fought him and he did surprisingly well making him close to vegetas drained blue form. Goku wanted to test trunks and toppo because he didn't know how strong they were. When ssj2 vegeta fought goku black he was way stronger than ssj2 goku against trunks So that could be evidence of amped ssj forms too right? Edited by Ssj3vegito96, Dec 25 2017, 05:28 PM.
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| * Yu Narukami | Dec 25 2017, 05:41 PM Post #38 |
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I hadn't even considered those circumstances, and they'd be great examples. Instances where SSJ/2 is demonstrably stronger than it should be and where it would make sense for them to know how strong their opponent is. All through the series, to me at least, it's seemed as though SSG and SSB have been full-blown transformations rather than simply adding God Ki to whatever form they're in. Goku jumps from Super Saiyan to Super Saiyan God in his battle with Hit, right? If we're gonna believe that SSB is just Goku adding God Ki to his Super Saiyan form, he should've gone Blue in that instance, right? Toyotaro has actually delved into different aspects of God Ki in the manga, and it seems like a more complex beast within that medium. Vegerot - Not necessarily, why would their auras have to change? Edited by Yu Narukami, Dec 25 2017, 05:42 PM.
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| + Ssj3vegito96 | Dec 25 2017, 06:17 PM Post #39 |
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Yeah I think it makes a lot of sense for them to feel out their opponents with regular ssj forms and amp them when they're more serious. That's really what it looks like If the Japanese dub of the anime mentioned that proper ki control maximizes power out like the English dub does then I'd say it all makes sense now and I'd apply it to the manga One thing I'm confused on still is why goku needed to go ssjg against trunks though |
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| Vegerot1990 | Dec 25 2017, 06:18 PM Post #40 |
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When Toppo used God Ki, you could see how his Aura flared up. As for the fight with Hit. He was holding back alot of Power until Goku used Super Saiyan God. Its not necessary the same suppressed level he used against Vegeta. Why could all the humans who were there could sense Goku until he used God? |
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| Dagon | Dec 25 2017, 08:41 PM Post #41 |
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Goku and Vegeta do not have a second pool of ki that they choose whether or not to add that on top of their regular ki. No, their ENTIRE pool of ki is their own mortal ki other than red and blue god forms. 2 base theory is invalid, additive separate god ki is invalid, non linear power scales are invalid. |
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| superperfectnerd | Dec 25 2017, 08:48 PM Post #42 |
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I honestly think that Toyotaro just messed up and wanted Trunks to be desperate but Black to be adapting and seem like an amatuer in comparison to Goku and Vegeta... whilst Trunks was also impressive to Goku and Vegeta. I makes no sense, it's just a f*** up.
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| * Yu Narukami | Dec 25 2017, 09:19 PM Post #43 |
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How does it work then? The God forms are literally adding God Ki to their base form or their Super Saiyan form, and they're able to suppress down to ridiculously low levels in both forms, so it's definitely a conscious decision where they can control how much God Ki they're accessing. |
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| Dagon | Dec 25 2017, 10:13 PM Post #44 |
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Don't think of it as "god ki." Their non-god forms, aka anything below SSJB and SSJG, merely have been raised to a super high level and its still mortal ki. It's all one pool of ki. There's not a separate ki pool that they pour into their other forms. Edited by Dagon, Dec 25 2017, 10:14 PM.
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| Saiyan36 | Dec 25 2017, 11:27 PM Post #45 |
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I agree on that one. You don't use 50 % God-Ki and 50 % normal Ki. You use God-Ki or normal Ki. God-Ki demands very high Ki-control. It could very well be they are able to use the perfected Ki-control to strenghten their casual forms without using God-Ki. But in that case: when does Goku use a massively strong SSJ2 or SSJ3 in the manga? I can't remember it. This makes me think it's just the strenghtened SSJ2-form of Vegeta and Trunks that explains the inconcistency. |
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