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Can they amp themselves with God ki?
Topic Started: Dec 19 2017, 09:18 PM (7,340 Views)
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In the manga can goku and vegeta amp their base form and gold forms with God ki?

On one hand, if they could, then they would never need to use their gold haired forms and goku wouldn't have needed to use God against trunks. So I would say no

On the other hand, toppo seems to have proper ki control since goku couldn't sense him and then later he used an actual god mode after goku used the red form. So I'm wondering if goku and vegeta can also enter a god state that isn't ssjg or blue that's maybe between ssj3 and ssjg or something?
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It sure seems like they can, given Super Saiyan(2?) Vegeta's performance against Black. It's never explicit though, so that is simply one of many fan explanations for what otherwise seems like a glaring inconsistency. Goku seems to suggest he can augment his power like Toppo does, but I may be reading too much into this line.

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I think I see how you're interpreting that line. He's saying toppo learned the same thing goku did
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That's what I got from that as well. I feel like there were more implications from others as well that Toppo was using god ki or maybe it was just Goku.
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I think toppo was using proper ki control at first because goku said he couldn't sense him. And then later he says he will "cast the aura of a god"
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If Goku has the same power like SSG but without actual God-Ki in base, how could or why would he combine SSJ-forms with God-Ki without actually turning Blue?

If he theoretically could use SSJ 1 / 2 combined with the power of SSG, he would be without God-Ki and it would be a rather low powerboost.

I would rather assume, when he actually combines the God-Ki of SSG with the power of SSJ and he has to use that kind of power, the result is he turns Blue.

There is 'no baseform enriched with God-Ki'. In my opinion: the canon equivalent for that is just Super Saiyan God.
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They can amp their power with god ki. It's called super Saiyan god.
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Alright, let's say Goku and Vegeta can't augment their base and Super Saiyan forms with God Ki, and can only tap into God Ki with Super Saiyan God and Super Saiyan Blue, how do you suppose their power works, then? You not only have to account for Freeza, but you have to account for Super Saiyan(2?) Vegeta being over 50 times stronger than Super Saiyan 3 Goku.
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What do you mean Frieza? What happened with him?
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You have to account for Freeza being as strong as he is, and by extension how strong base Goku and Vegeta would be. If Base Goku and Vegeta are that strong, Piccolo has no business being stronger, which he's implied to be, given that Vegeta chooses to use Super Saiyan to finish Frost.
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Dec 23 2017, 03:41 PM
Alright, let's say Goku and Vegeta can't augment their base and Super Saiyan forms with God Ki, and can only tap into God Ki with Super Saiyan God and Super Saiyan Blue, how do you suppose their power works, then? You not only have to account for Freeza, but you have to account for Super Saiyan(2?) Vegeta being over 50 times stronger than Super Saiyan 3 Goku.
I understand your concerns about this. Not quite 100 % sure myself how this mechanism works. I have an assumption though.

But i don't think it's God-Ki. If they would use God-Ki, they would turn Red or Blue. The sort of Ki one uses and the power level are different features i assume. They influence each other, but they don't need to be combined.
I presume Goku and Vegeta are able to combine the powers of SSG with SSJ1 or SSJ2 (not mutiply, just combine!), without activating God-Ki.

From that perspective it could maybe explain the considerable power-level gap. But not to that extend it justifies God-Ki.

Power levels and transformations act more simultaneously in the anime, to make it more understandable. Certainly if we could consider 'BOG and ROF-movie Godku' retconned. God-Ki is an intresting concept. But it kinda makes things complicating, certainly with a younger audience.
There is probably no SSG-enriched Base or SSJ1/2 in the anime. Otherwise some fights would get very silly, as we have discussed in other topics numerous times. But in the manga, this may still be the case. If the combination is possible: probably without God-Ki is my assumption.
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Dec 23 2017, 04:03 PM
You have to account for Freeza being as strong as he is, and by extension how strong base Goku and Vegeta would be. If Base Goku and Vegeta are that strong, Piccolo has no business being stronger, which he's implied to be, given that Vegeta chooses to use Super Saiyan to finish Frost.
Maybe Final Form Frieza was weaker or they used indeed a powered up Base Form. We only saw the Promo for the Movie.
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Dec 23 2017, 04:03 PM
You have to account for Freeza being as strong as he is, and by extension how strong base Goku and Vegeta would be. If Base Goku and Vegeta are that strong, Piccolo has no business being stronger, which he's implied to be, given that Vegeta chooses to use Super Saiyan to finish Frost.
Well to be fair we didn't see what happened in the Super manga
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The promotional manga for Resurrection 'F' still shows Base Goku vs Freeza. Toyotaro could give us the run down on what happened when Freeza returns for the Tournament of Power, but I can't imagine it'll be too different.
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I mean, we have;

SSJ2 Vegeta > SSJ2 Black > Base Black > SSJ2 Trunks (Full Power) >~< SSJ3 Goku > SSJ2 Goku

It'd make sense if they were augmenting their SSJ forms against Black, but not against Trunks.
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