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| + Pyrus | Dec 17 2017, 05:49 PM Post #16 |
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I hate new things all the time regardless of which fandom it is. Most of the time it does turn out to be pure s*** made for people with no brains and turning away the people that made it popular in the first place. Those producers can go die in a tar pit. |
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| + Ssj3vegito96 | Dec 17 2017, 05:53 PM Post #17 |
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It's a fair criticism when you say you're tired of more about the saiyan lore. We're just saying it's typical dbzf to complain before we get details which is f***ing annoying because instead of going to a dbz forum to discuss the new movie you see a bunch of grumpy wannabe critics who always jump to conclusion And people are not hyped for no reason. They're hyped because they like the saiyan stories like this Granted if this movie is about the saiyan civil war then it's going to be kinda predictable but it's still an exciting event a lot of people want to see It's like robert's rebellion. We know how it unfolds in the end but it's still an awesome battle everyone wants to see Edited by Ssj3vegito96, Dec 17 2017, 05:58 PM.
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| superperfectnerd | Dec 19 2017, 03:28 PM Post #18 |
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I really worry when an author keeps trying to add new layers to already established and accepted lore. Toriyama is the author and what he says goes but Dragon Ball Minus was awful. It ruined the entire point of Goku. Goku isn't supposed to be a loved baby sent to Earth for his safety by loving parents, he's not Superman, he's meant to be trash just thrown away, which makes his rise to power all the more impressive and poignant. It's not what you are but who you become that matters. The same with Bardock, all these things try to make Goku have some special lineage which entirely misses the point. It's the cornerstone of the whole royal elite vs low level trash story. So I swear if it turns out Goku is descended from the original ssj/ssjg, I'll be annoyed, it's both contradictory to the hopeful story of you can overcome your birth destiny and become great and it's just cliche and predictable. Vegeta should be the descendant of the ssjg and that would explain how his family came to power and why for generations they were born stronger than the other saiyans but in the end, all saiyans have this potential too. |
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| Sam | Dec 25 2017, 07:04 PM Post #19 |
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It takes a mere second for treasure to turn to trash.
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Well, at least expectations can't be any lower. Toriyama stated he was moved by Bardock: The Father of Goku and loved the movie. He even incorporated Bardock into the damn canon via a single panel in the manga. I hate to see them going back and deciding to s***stomp the actual great parts of Dragon Ball's history. I hope I'm pleasantly surprised. But what I'm expecting is a mediocre story (at best) that is dragged down by subpar animation or good animation that is dragged down by subpar story. Super style. It's not about complaining before we get details. We've been let down so often that it's difficult not to expect that. Over and over again, Toei has been trying to polish s*** and feed it to us as new content. True, I must concede we are very harsh on Super when comparing it to the other installments, given that it is in a time-slot for even younger children on Japanese television that prohibits it from being as gritty and developed as Z or Dragon Ball were. But, the manga, which was a shining light in comparison to the anime for quite awhile, also burned out and crapped out the ending of the Future Trunks arc. It's just not very encouraging anymore to see new Dragon Ball content, especially content that goes back and threatens to override content that we can almost unanimously agree was good in its original state. I, personally, am okay with Dragon Ball Minus. I think there are ways to incorporate it in w/ the Bardock special without discarding one or the other, however, there are a couple of major things with Minus that I've had to discard from my head canon. Not because it makes it impossible for these stories to co-exist necessarily, but, because they alter the entire Dragon Ball franchise's humble beginnings. Edited by Sam, Dec 25 2017, 07:09 PM.
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| Skywalker | Jan 8 2018, 10:07 PM Post #20 |
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Meh, I've had my fill of Saiyan history. Why not do a movie on literally znything else? |
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I sense rise of the Namekians and Kais. |
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| + Emmeth | Jan 17 2018, 10:19 AM Post #22 |
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| superperfectnerd | Jan 22 2018, 12:36 PM Post #23 |
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I'm just wary because of the last 'canon' dive into the saiyan history gave us Dragon Ball Minus, which ruined the point of Goku's character and history in one fell swoop by making his parents love him instead of tossing him out like trash as it was originally implied.
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| YusukeReborn | Jan 23 2018, 11:09 PM Post #24 |
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Hopefully it's something more akin to Bardock, The Father Of Goku and not Dragon Ball Minus. Doubt it but it would be nice. Edited by YusukeReborn, Jan 23 2018, 11:09 PM.
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| Hurdan | Jan 24 2018, 02:40 AM Post #25 |
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I've got a feeling the plot is going to be centered around the original super saiyan god, I feel like they could do something great with this movie. |
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| superperfectnerd | Jan 24 2018, 02:48 AM Post #26 |
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Even Bardock the Father of Goku annoys me. There's nothing special or out of the ordinary about Goku's saiyan lineage, hitting his head and growing up on Earth is what made Goku special, not his father. His parents are meant to be saiyan nobodies. Vegeta has the special lineage but it means little compared to Goku's experience and the way he's been nurtured. If Goku is just strong because his ancestors were stronger than usual then... boring. What's the point there? Edited by superperfectnerd, Jan 24 2018, 02:57 AM.
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| YusukeReborn | Jan 24 2018, 03:37 AM Post #27 |
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I mean the lore of the Bardock TV special was a whole heck of a lot cooler than the one in recent times. Where Saiyans were portrayed as battle hungry savages and not what they are in DBM. |
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| superperfectnerd | Jan 24 2018, 04:28 AM Post #28 |
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I agree but whilst Bardock being a 'cool badass' is an inevitable expansion of Toei money making lore, I think it ruins Goku's humble, low class saiyan beginnings. His parents and his race threw him away and yet he rose above them all to become the strongest saiyan ever despite his lowly birth. Having Bardock be a naturally gifted fighter kind of ruins Goku's backstory for me. So if Goku is a direct descendant of the og ssjg, it'll have the same annoyance for me as well as being predictable and cliche. Edited by superperfectnerd, Jan 24 2018, 04:33 AM.
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| superperfectnerd | Jan 24 2018, 04:31 AM Post #29 |
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Double post, sorry.
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| YusukeReborn | Jan 24 2018, 01:58 PM Post #30 |
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Bardock really isn't all that special in that tv special. He was still classified as a low class Saiyan warrior. |
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