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So how strong is piccolo as to right now?; How much stronger is piccolo compared to his cell games self?
Topic Started: Dec 7 2017, 09:42 AM (14,255 Views)
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Yes. You could be right about the Whis-training. I just wanted to point out every training, every fight matters. Back in the days in the Namek Arc, rememeber the gains he made just by the gravitation training alone, that was insane. It's just ... even taken your TOP Base estimation into account ... Everytime he needs to shift to SSJ1 or more, even with the retcon that makes the Saiyan girls, Piccolo, everyone who make him transform apart from Blue, basically beyond our imagination strong for DBZ-standards.

What are they going to come up with when UI gets the norm? Will Piccolo get UI as well? That's pretty ridiculous at this point. But, i guess, just like the retcon, better than nothing at all.
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18, Piccolo, Cabba and Caulifla are still weaker than Super Boo for me but perhaps much stronger than Kid Boo, which is still ridiculous but it isn't beyond god level Goku at least.

As for the Namek saga power ups, well that was the first time a saiyan had put themselves up against Freeza's elite forces and the first time one had trained in 100Gs, the astronomical boosts of that saga don't continue at that level throughout as far as I'm concerned, I mean look at that arc's transformations for one. Goku was able to amp his power 20 fold with kaioken and then 50 fold with ssj, after that the minimum boosts of assj, ssj2 and ssj3 make a massive difference because they can't just get twice as strong from a zenkai. ssj2 couldn't be a big deal with a two times boost if they can just get 80 times stronger from a zenkai.
Edited by superperfectnerd, Dec 21 2017, 01:26 AM.
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Well, with how Super handled the build up to the Tournament of Power, we can't really know. We know that with a Makankosappo, he seems to be stronger than Gohan, given that Gohan was going toe to toe with one of the Namekians, and the Makankosappo penetrated both of them. What we don't know is how strong Gohan is. He seems to be weaker than Golden Freeza, who's as strong as Blue Goku, but the build up to the Tournament would suggest Gohan is also Blue Goku level. All I know is that Piccolo is very very strong.
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superperfectnerd
Dec 21 2017, 01:24 AM
18, Piccolo, Cabba and Caulifla are still weaker than Super Boo for me but perhaps much stronger than Kid Boo, which is still ridiculous but it isn't beyond god level Goku at least.
Caulifla and Kale got more of their potential awakened when fighting Goku the 2nd time(i.e. they got more hax), and were able to push Goku into using SSJ3 and then SSJG. They individually were not stronger than SSJ2 Goku but they got some teamwork that required Goku to power up to beat them. This is after Goku broke his limits and got stronger. So Caulifla and Kale are definitely far past original SSJG Goku.
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Dec 19 2017, 01:41 AM
Why should 17 be limited to Piccolo? In their future a weaker 17 was better than a weaker Piccolo. When they meet and Piccolo has trained for 3 years, 17 is still better. And at best they were close after the Kami merger with 17 lacking punching power and Piccolo using up his stamina. 17 is naturally superior to Piccolo. Heck I would argue 17 is a better fighter than Piccolo overall as Piccolo has not won a fight on his own in Z, up until Super came.

Piccolo didn't beat Raditz
NAppa killed Piccolo after schooling him
Piccolo got blitzed after letting Frieza transform
He let Gero escape
17 bodied him when they first meet
Cell escapes from him
He fights 17 to a stalemate but lures Cell there only for Cell to leave him for dead
He struggles with a Cell Jr
He quits at Shin
He gets absorbed by Buu
Beerus is well Beerus
Vegeta saves him from pissing off Whis
Tagoma humiliates him
He gets killed by first form Frieza
He gets tricked by Frost and then punked into quitting by Vegeta

Literally the last fight Piccolo won on his own merit outside the movies which made him look like a badass was way back at the last budokai to end dragonball. He doesn't win anything straight up to he beats around Gohan in Super.

And you want 17 to equal that?
You sound like a piccolo hater right now XD
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Dec 22 2017, 09:37 AM
superperfectnerd
Dec 21 2017, 01:24 AM
18, Piccolo, Cabba and Caulifla are still weaker than Super Boo for me but perhaps much stronger than Kid Boo, which is still ridiculous but it isn't beyond god level Goku at least.
Caulifla and Kale got more of their potential awakened when fighting Goku the 2nd time(i.e. they got more hax), and were able to push Goku into using SSJ3 and then SSJG. They individually were not stronger than SSJ2 Goku but they got some teamwork that required Goku to power up to beat them. This is after Goku broke his limits and got stronger. So Caulifla and Kale are definitely far past original SSJG Goku.
I don't have ssj2 Goku above Super Boo anymore. Piccolo referenced 'ultimate' Gohan fighting Super Boo like that was still an impressive benchmark of power.

Base Goku = 1,250,000,000

Kid Boo = 43,000,000,000

Fpssj Goku = 62,500,000,000

Ssj2 Goku = 125,000,000,000

Super Boo = 162,000,000,000

Ssj3 Goku = 500,000,000,000

That's where I have it for now as both the anime and the manga are making Boo saga power now relevant by having a flashback with an 'impressive' Gohan in the Boo saga and the manga referencing Oob as a special warrior... if he has Kid Boo's potential then who the hell cares when everyone and their grandma is above Boohan?

I also have Piccolo around ssj2 Goku and stronger than Cabba and Kaulifla.
Edited by superperfectnerd, Dec 22 2017, 06:26 PM.
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Dec 22 2017, 06:25 PM
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Dec 22 2017, 09:37 AM
superperfectnerd
Dec 21 2017, 01:24 AM
18, Piccolo, Cabba and Caulifla are still weaker than Super Boo for me but perhaps much stronger than Kid Boo, which is still ridiculous but it isn't beyond god level Goku at least.
Caulifla and Kale got more of their potential awakened when fighting Goku the 2nd time(i.e. they got more hax), and were able to push Goku into using SSJ3 and then SSJG. They individually were not stronger than SSJ2 Goku but they got some teamwork that required Goku to power up to beat them. This is after Goku broke his limits and got stronger. So Caulifla and Kale are definitely far past original SSJG Goku.
I don't have ssj2 Goku above Super Boo anymore. Piccolo referenced 'ultimate' Gohan fighting Super Boo like that was still an impressive benchmark of power.

Base Goku = 1,250,000,000

Kid Boo = 43,000,000,000

Fpssj Goku = 62,500,000,000

Ssj2 Goku = 125,000,000,000

Super Boo = 162,000,000,000

Ssj3 Goku = 500,000,000,000

That's where I have it for now as both the anime and the manga are making Boo saga power now relevant by having a flashback with an 'impressive' Gohan in the Boo saga and the manga referencing Oob as a special warrior... if he has Kid Boo's potential then who the hell cares when everyone and their grandma is above Boohan?

I also have Piccolo around ssj2 Goku and stronger than Cabba and Kaulifla.
I can see that. Some people just refuse to place piccolo mid tir
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As a rule of thumb, I prefer to think of everyone in this tournament as having minimalistically surpassed Base Gohan after having trained with the Z-Sword. What appeared to be an earnest attempt at sundering the Katchin alloy proved to be futile for him. Kachi-Katchin is grossly inconsistent when it comes to structural integrity, but I think such a barometer using it as the mutual evidence piece doesn't sound unreasonable. Furthermore, like it or hate the Potafeu arc did take place. Unless the studio recants it as an example of padded fluff with no link to the canonical Super anime series, I feel it should be taken into account. Moreover, the events of it were cited in the Future Trunks arc anyway.

By this point, I'm not going begrudge the characters for making enormous strides with basic training methods. You had Goku training on King Kai's for a short while and Vegeta using the RoSaT three different times throughout Super despite having allegedly acclimated to its effects back in the Cell arc. Somehow the latter provided enough benefit for Vegeta to somehow bulk up his strength several dozens of times over (a rough estimate measured by the fact that Vegeta might arguably be comparable to SSJB Goku again in the ToP, who has himself improved enough to where he could stalemate Hit in the previous arc without Kaioken x10 and is now able to endure the impact of Kunshi's energy threads with no damage incurred as an SSJB while Hit elected not to endanger himself by moving across them).
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Dec 9 2017, 11:52 AM
I'd say that Piccolo went quite a way since the Cell Games Saga to DBS:

AGE 767: Cell Games Piccolo (with weighted clothes): 2,500,000,000
Cell Games Piccolo (without weighted clothes): 2,640,000,000

AGE 774: Piccolo (Buu Saga): 5,000,000,000 [slightly weaker than Super Perfect Cell & Dabura]

AGE 778: Piccolo (Battle of Gods movie/arc): 6,000,000,000

AGE 779: Piccolo (Resurrection 'F' movie/arc - he got weaker due to lack of training): 5,200,000,000
Piccolo's maximum power against Tagoma with his weighted clothes on: 5,800,000,000
Piccolo after Tagoma ripped his arm and decimated him: 2,300,000,000
Piccolo after Senzu: 5,250,000,000
Piccolo (Makankosappo at Shisami - movie only): 7,500,000,000 (missed his target)

Piccolo (training with Gohan after Frieza got killed): 6,200,000,000
Piccolo (vs. Frost): 6,400,000,000
Piccolo (Makankosappo at Frost): 14,600,000,000

AGE 780: Piccolo (Goku Black Arc): 7,800,000,000
Piccolo (Universal Survival Arc - Sparring against Gohan): 9,000,000,000
Piccolo (Universal Survival Arc - FULL POWER): 11,00,000,000 [managed to stand up to SSJ 2 Gohan]
Piccolo (" - sparring with Gohan against Goku and Tien): 11,500,000,000
Piccolo (Tournament of Power - with weighted clothing): 10,500,000,000
Piccolo (ToP - without weighted clothing): 12,100,000,000
Piccolo (ToP - Makankosappo at Saonel and Pirina): 20,550,000,000

AGE 784: Piccolo (watches Goku vs. Uub): 18,000,000,000

Added the Cell Games power levels I have for Piccolo due to the subtitle.
Edited by Hebrew Wolfman, Dec 25 2017, 07:58 PM.
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