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So how strong is piccolo as to right now?; How much stronger is piccolo compared to his cell games self?
Topic Started: Dec 7 2017, 09:42 AM (14,258 Views)
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superperfectnerd
Dec 13 2017, 07:12 PM
Base Goku is stronger than ssjg and Krillin can keep up with that? No thanks. That breaks my ability to suspend my disbelief more than just applying the two base theory.

Why does Goku need ssj when his base is above ssjg? Surely Krillin, fighting that and knowing that would be enough of a tester?
Goku was holding back. Boom, conflict resolved. Writer said he was motivating Krillin. Jesus Christ, it's that simple.
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piccolo is at least ssj3 gotenks lv currently
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Dagon
Dec 14 2017, 01:24 AM
superperfectnerd
Dec 13 2017, 07:12 PM
Base Goku is stronger than ssjg and Krillin can keep up with that? No thanks. That breaks my ability to suspend my disbelief more than just applying the two base theory.

Why does Goku need ssj when his base is above ssjg? Surely Krillin, fighting that and knowing that would be enough of a tester?
Goku was holding back. Boom, conflict resolved. Writer said he was motivating Krillin. Jesus Christ, it's that simple.
So what's the point in transforming into Blue when he's suppressing to potentially lower than his Base? 'He wants Krillin to have experience fighting strong opponents', but he suppresses to Krillin's level and doesn't actually do that for him? The transformations were utterly pointless, they served no purpose whatsoever.
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Dec 14 2017, 08:00 AM
So what's the point in transforming into Blue when he's suppressing to potentially lower than his Base? 'He wants Krillin to have experience fighting strong opponents', but he suppresses to Krillin's level and doesn't actually do that for him? The transformations were utterly pointless, they served no purpose whatsoever.
He wants Krillin to have the experience of "Oh crap, he's blue now, oh crap I need to pull out all the stops."
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Dagon
Dec 14 2017, 10:58 AM
Yu Narukami
Dec 14 2017, 08:00 AM
So what's the point in transforming into Blue when he's suppressing to potentially lower than his Base? 'He wants Krillin to have experience fighting strong opponents', but he suppresses to Krillin's level and doesn't actually do that for him? The transformations were utterly pointless, they served no purpose whatsoever.
He wants Krillin to have the experience of "Oh crap, he's blue now, oh crap I need to pull out all the stops."
''Oh crap, he's Blue now, even though I can still fight him just fine''?

All Goku has to do is power up to the point where Krillin can sense that he has to get serious. Going Blue is just a longer, more confusing way of accomplishing a goal that could be easily accomplished by just not suppressing so much.
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Dec 14 2017, 12:02 PM
All Goku has to do is power up to the point where Krillin can sense that he has to get serious. Going Blue is just a longer, more confusing way of accomplishing a goal that could be easily accomplished by just not suppressing so much.
Dude, Toshio916 on twitter already said it was to motivate Krillin. That's all the explanation that's needed. If you don't like the explanation, that's fine, but your dislike of it doesn't mean the explanation is false.
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This reminds me of the golden oldy:

“We Would Be Honored if You Would Join Us”
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Dagon
Dec 14 2017, 03:06 PM
Yu Narukami
Dec 14 2017, 12:02 PM
All Goku has to do is power up to the point where Krillin can sense that he has to get serious. Going Blue is just a longer, more confusing way of accomplishing a goal that could be easily accomplished by just not suppressing so much.
Dude, Toshio916 on twitter already said it was to motivate Krillin. That's all the explanation that's needed. If you don't like the explanation, that's fine, but your dislike of it doesn't mean the explanation is false.
Okay, it just paints the characters as ineffective and, to be honest, quite idiotic.
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So Krillin's big motivator causes him not to strategies a plan to take his far superior opponent off guard or try to ring him out, he opts to...have a kamehameha struggle with a ssjg Goku+ multiplied by 50, then multiplied by 2, then multiplied by 4, then multiplied by a multiplier beyond ssj3 Vegetto relative to base and then multiplied by 50 again? Then Goku decides to lower his power all the way down to below base anyway?

It's not just this scene we're talking about, it's Cabba and Piccolo being on this level too being laughable. It seems far less stupid to apply the two base theory to me. I have Piccolo still weaker than Super Boo and Piccolo even talks about how impressive Gohan's power was when he fought Super Boo, why would that be impressive to a god tier Piccolo? Ultimate isn't a multiplier, it's just Gohan's true power unleashed, how is the Namekian supposed to gauge how much of Gohan's hypothetical power is now hidden? He can't, it's far more likely and satisfying if monsters like Super Boo and Ultimate Gohan from Z are still superior to most of the fighters in this tournament, not that every scrub is god tier and somehow universe 7 only became relevant in like the last year or so making every single one of their world ending fights pre-BOG absolutely pathetic in retrospect.
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Dec 14 2017, 05:39 PM
So Krillin's big motivator causes him not to strategies a plan to take his far superior opponent off guard or try to ring him out, he opts to...have a kamehameha struggle with a ssjg Goku+ multiplied by 50, then multiplied by 2, then multiplied by 4, then multiplied by a multiplier beyond ssj3 Vegetto relative to base and then multiplied by 50 again? Then Goku decides to lower his power all the way down to below base anyway?

It's not just this scene we're talking about, it's Cabba and Piccolo being on this level too being laughable. It seems far less stupid to apply the two base theory to me. I have Piccolo still weaker than Super Boo and Piccolo even talks about how impressive Gohan's power was when he fought Super Boo, why would that be impressive to a god tier Piccolo? Ultimate isn't a multiplier, it's just Gohan's true power unleashed, how is the Namekian supposed to gauge how much of Gohan's hypothetical power is now hidden? He can't, it's far more likely and satisfying if monsters like Super Boo and Ultimate Gohan from Z are still superior to most of the fighters in this tournament, not that every scrub is god tier and somehow universe 7 only became relevant in like the last year or so making every single one of their world ending fights pre-BOG absolutely pathetic in retrospect.
It's like Goku saying to Krillin: 'See buddy, see what you can do, Super Saiyan 1, holy s***, now you're even Blue and definitely God-tier, damn man, you are gonna stand with me till the pillar drops, it doesn't matter if you're the first to go, you are thé man!'
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@ superperfected: your suggestion of a retcon is getting used to i have to admit, but i really think it stands within reason. How the hell do we have to explain Goku shifting to SSJ1 or even SSJ2 otherwise in some cases when it is not necessary?

For instance: Goku being able to use all forms with perfected Ki-control once was my headcanon; But how the hell can this 'perfect Ki-control' explain Goku shifting to SSJ1 or even SSJ2 when it's not needed? The shift to Blue could be explained by 'the absolute Ki-control', but not the shift to SSJ1 or SSJ2 when Base 'Godku' would have been just fine. Certainly not when he would have SSJG within his belly. That's a complete joke.
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Dec 14 2017, 05:39 PM

It's not just this scene we're talking about, it's Cabba and Piccolo being on this level too being laughable..
Since this topic is about Big Green, still not sure why you consider him to be at god-level.
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Base Goku = ssjg after BOG (at least at that time) then he gets even stronger. Vegeta becomes his equal after Whis' training. Cabba then manages to almost prove base Vegeta's equal, multiple characters mention it, however Frost in his true form is above base Cabba and Goku and Vegeta need ssj to surpass him. Piccolo puts up a decent fight against a final form Frost who is much stronger than base Cabba.
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Dec 15 2017, 12:16 AM
Piccolo puts up a decent fight against a final form Frost who is much stronger than base Cabba.
Piccolo primarily dodges and evades Frost with clones/afterimage while continuously charging the makankosappo. Doesn't mean he's in the same tier as Frost. Dude needed to amp way beyond normal to even have a chance against Frost.
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As much as I hate how Piccolo was s***-handled that specific arc, guy's right. Even Goku stated, before that match, that he didn't believe Piccolo stood a chance, but it was worth to tire him a bit for Vegeta.

Either way, the whole logic is waaay too tangled to try and make a sense out of it anymore.
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