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After we die
Topic Started: Nov 29 2017, 12:44 AM (5,370 Views)
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Daemon Keido
Feb 9 2018, 05:04 AM
Can you make your question more clear? I am not made of pure energy. I am energy that was turned into matter through numerous biological functions.

Also, you forgot to remember that "uncontrollable outside influences" includes how I lived my life so far. You have removed nothing of my points from the equation, you are simply not bothering to factor them into my arguement so that you can defeat it.
ok bottom line, if you came from absolute nothingness to something why wouldnt you be able to do so again when you die? theres no reason to think that you couldnt since you already came from nothing. and if you think you were manifested from absolute none exsistence to life then why do you think a dead person could not manifest back to life? that would imply some kind of God i would think.
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wait there i see.yes on the outside influence part i would say that you are connected to your outside influence because you are being who choose to have them.when you go out shopping.you chose to do this.and when you are going shopping and meet others who you have no influences on who you meet.it is just you deciding to be at this place.there are outside influence here in the end its all under your control unless you meant something else
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Except that the person we are calling "Me" (Daemon Keido) didn't exist until I was born and began to live my life. You are assuming I have lived several lifetimes because the energy that makes me now must have made me before.

But you have no way to prove that the energy I was made by now has in fact made me before. You cannot measure the energy you are talking about in any scientific way as to lrove that the energy I am made by now didn't make something or someone else before. For all you know, the energy that made me today was once used to make a Spartan who died at Thermopylae. Does that make the Spartan me? No, because that Spartan did not live the life I have now, and so it made a different person.


Edit for Jason: what about the actions taken by others in my life? I did not control those, they happened independant of my desires.
Edited by Daemon Keido, Feb 9 2018, 05:14 AM.
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Daemon Keido
Feb 9 2018, 05:14 AM
Except that the person we are calling "Me" (Daemon Keido) didn't exist until I was born and began to live my life. You are assuming I have lived several lifetimes because the energy that makes me now must have made me before.

But you have no way to prove that the energy I was made by now has in fact made me before. You cannot measure the energy you are talking about in any scientific way as to lrove that the energy I am made by now didn't make something or someone else before. For all you know, the energy that made me today was once used to make a Spartan who died at Thermopylae. Does that make the Spartan me? No, because that Spartan did not live the life I have now, and so it made a different person.


Edit for Jason: what about the actions taken by others in my life? I did not control those, they happened independant of my desires.
can you list some actions you mean,i know what you mean but you need to list some for me to able to explain it better
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I mean actions taken by my parents, grandparents, friends, classmates, teachers, my girlfriend whose occurance directly influenced my life in one way, sbape or form. A discussion, an arguement, a moment of absolute trust between two people........for lack of a better description, lives that lived and affected each other due to the bonds those lives shared.
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Feb 9 2018, 05:19 AM
I mean actions taken by my parents, grandparents, friends, classmates, teachers, my girlfriend whose occurance directly influenced my life in one way, sbape or form. A discussion, an arguement, a moment of absolute trust between two people........for lack of a better description, lives that lived and affected each other due to the bonds those lives shared.
halfblood should explain those to you.i don't know how to put it in words.i mean i do but i don't feel like explaining it the way i do it just feels weird
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Just explain it as you can. If we stumble a bit that's ok so long as we can get to an understanding.
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Daemon Keido
Feb 9 2018, 05:14 AM
Except that the person we are calling "Me" (Daemon Keido) didn't exist until I was born and began to live my life. You are assuming I have lived several lifetimes because the energy that makes me now must have made me before.

But you have no way to prove that the energy I was made by now has in fact made me before. You cannot measure the energy you are talking about in any scientific way as to lrove that the energy I am made by now didn't make something or someone else before. For all you know, the energy that made me today was once used to make a Spartan who died at Thermopylae. Does that make the Spartan me? No, because that Spartan did not live the life I have now, and so it made a different person.


Edit for Jason: what about the actions taken by others in my life? I did not control those, they happened independant of my desires.
the energy that made you actually came from the sun and so your life will mirror its life. what youre doing is youre associating who you are with your current name and current experiences but you actually are more than that. you were you before you started living your life. the energy that makes you now goes back to what they call the big bang it always was in some form or another. energy can not be created or destroyed its a scientific fact therefore you have always existed. im not saying your past lives were human, they may not have even been on this dimension. im saying youve been many life forms. we havent just been physically evolving we have been spiritually evolving as well. and yes the energy im talking about is electromagnetic our brains generate electricity and therefore it can be measured.
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I am saying you have not and cannot prove I have existed before because no possible way to measure that exists. It isn't just electromagnetic energy that made me.
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Feb 9 2018, 05:19 AM
I mean actions taken by my parents, grandparents, friends, classmates, teachers, my girlfriend whose occurance directly influenced my life in one way, sbape or form. A discussion, an arguement, a moment of absolute trust between two people........for lack of a better description, lives that lived and affected each other due to the bonds those lives shared.
well id say those occurrences didnt make you, in fact you made them. YOUR life is YOURS because of you not because of it. so only you would handle or respond to certain situations they way you did and i think that those who effect our life now in this current life have been connected to our lives in the past.
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Feb 9 2018, 05:29 AM
Just explain it as you can. If we stumble a bit that's ok so long as we can get to an understanding.
those outside influences you need to think of them as differenrt forms of energy.if your teacher choose to not teach you something in class.it is your fault for not choosing a good teacher or not knowing your teacher well since if you did know them well.you would know how to get them to listen to you. its all reflected on you as a being made on energy.if you are a great student those things will not happen to you.but if you are not a great student your teachers will not take you that seriously.ok this is just an example i think you meant by outside influence right?
think it this way there are some outside influences but sometimes there are things that you perceive as outside infleuce and are not truly outside influence but it is you that perceive them this way.hope i made sense
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I do not agree with you because that means everything was preordained to occur a particular way.
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Feb 9 2018, 05:32 AM
I am saying you have not and cannot prove I have existed before because no possible way to measure that exists. It isn't just electromagnetic energy that made me.
The first law of thermodynamics, also known as Law of Conservation of Energy, states that energy can neither be created nor destroyed; energy can only be transferred or changed from one form to another.

the first law of thermodynamics proves you did exist before because you exist now which means your energy can not be created or destroyed only transmuted as it has been doing for eternity
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Feb 9 2018, 05:40 AM
Daemon Keido
Feb 9 2018, 05:32 AM
I am saying you have not and cannot prove I have existed before because no possible way to measure that exists. It isn't just electromagnetic energy that made me.
The first law of thermodynamics, also known as Law of Conservation of Energy, states that energy can neither be created nor destroyed; energy can only be transferred or changed from one form to another.

the first law of thermodynamics proves you did exist before because you exist now which means your energy can not be created or destroyed only transmuted as it has been doing for eternity
i think he wants to know about the outside influence part more
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Except you cannot prove that all of the energy that made me in this life was used to make me in a previous life. All that energy is equal and no different from any other cloud of it. It has no special marker that will only be used to make me. The energy that made me this time could have been used to make 5 people and a dog in the same lifetime (or even across 300 years) and you have no waynto prove it did beyond your belief.
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