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After we die
Topic Started: Nov 29 2017, 12:44 AM (5,371 Views)
jason vorhees
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halfbloodprince
Feb 9 2018, 02:54 AM
Daemon Keido
Feb 9 2018, 12:06 AM
I don't understand your reasoning that we must come back to something. Why is that an inevitablilty?
because you already did. you were already dead for all intents and purposes in every practical sense; in every important respect you were dead. you can say that in order to be dead you have to have been alive at some point. EXACTLY and in order to be alive you have to have been dead at some point. you may be confused but its really simple when you think about it. you did have another body before, thats why you were dead before you were born because you had previously died lol and thats why you are conceived because your life and your death equals your new conception. thats why in the womb for the first couple months after conception youre at a zero point with out polarity. you're neither male nor female at the time of conception. you are neither dead or alive because you are a new creation. your life and your death comes together and you are reborn.

thats why scientist have been coming up with theories that we live in a computer generated reality because computer code is like the codes in quantum physics. and computer code is Binary! 0's and 1's. things dont sync up by chance. its because physical reality is actually a fractal. A fractal is a never-ending pattern. Fractals are infinitely complex patterns that are self-similar across different scales. They are created by repeating a simple process over and over in an ongoing feedback loop.

we can see the fractal through polarity.

take a tree for example its branches look the same as the veins in the leaves.

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but it also has roots as well as branches

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so in other words an ant walking on a leaf may not know it but he can see the whole tree in that one leaf.

so our lives are connected to nature. its a philosophical concept youve probably heard of and they even made a movie about it called "As Above So Below" where a group of people enter into the underground catacombs of paris which is said to be the entrance to hell. they traverse through the catacombs just so they can come out above ground again almost making the whole trip seem pointless but of course its not pointless, you just have to be paying attention.
what you said makes sense,though it won't for others here probably.anyway maybe find a link or video that explains how reality is all energy and how its all connected if you know of any link i mean then share it with others here.
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If I hadn't lived yet I cannot be dead. I didn't exist in any fashion before I did so I was neither dead or alive, I was nonexistent. But even if you are correct on that, you still didn't explain why that is the ONLY possible outcome.

I'm asking how your theory utterly depletes the chance of cessation of existence into impossibility.
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Feb 9 2018, 03:51 AM
If I hadn't lived yet I cannot be dead. I didn't exist in any fashion before I did so I was neither dead or alive, I was nonexistent. But even if you are correct on that, you still didn't explain why that is the ONLY possible outcome.

I'm asking how your theory utterly depletes the chance of cessation of existence into impossibility.
then it also follows if you handt been dead you couldnt live. what is the opposite of alive? its DEAD. so if you werent alive before you were born, what were you? DEAD its as simple as that. the reason why people think when you die there is nothing is because before they were born there was nothing. this is a logical deduction that makes sense. however what people dont realize is that if the state before conception/birth and the state of death have the same characteristics or properties then they are the same and if you arrive back in that state then it only follows that the same thing will happen last time you were there. suddenly you will wake up in the physical world again because thats what already happened.

you say you were not dead or alive before you were conceived but this is not true. besides the fact that you dont know about your previous body is why you can even say that but think about it. nothing is different between the state of death and the state before conception/birth. and the opposite of alive is dead. therefore if you were not alive you were dead. its not true you didnt exist. if you didnt exist then you still wouldnt exist. but its funny that you think you can manifest yourself from utter nonexistence but not death after you have existed.

and its impossible for it to be any other way because the sun rise it sets the moon wax's and wans , full moons and black moons

we have solar eclipses and lunar eclipses. we have hot and cold we have love and hate and we have life and death. the thing is that once something exist, it can never not exist. once something exist it always will in one form or another even if its only in a memory. that which exist can not not exist. therefore that which exist has always existed.
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If I wasn't alive before I was born, I wasn't dead because I didn't exist. Lack of existence is equal to cessation of existence.

Also, I didn't manifest myself, I was created via my mother and father creating me. What I am is dependant on my life's experiences, not by simply being alive. I don't think you are reading the intent behind my words here.
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Feb 9 2018, 04:17 AM
If I wasn't alive before I was born, I wasn't dead because I didn't exist. Lack of existence is equal to cessation of existence.

Also, I didn't manifest myself, I was created via my mother and father creating me. What I am is dependant on my life's experiences, not by simply being alive. I don't think you are reading the intent behind my words here.
once something exist it will always exist in one form or another even if its just a memory. but something that exist can not not exist. therefore something that exist can never not exist. if you didnt exist then you never would have existed. its like if there was no time then we would never get to the present time we currently occupy. you say you didnt manifest yourself and your parents did but what manifested you to your parents? how come your parents are your parents and not mine? how come your parents arnt a pair of elephants?

you think you didnt exist before you were born and then one day you just spontaneously combusted into physical reality because 2 people had sex. well what about all the times they had sex before that or all the other people who had sex before them how come you werent born any of those times?
you think its easier to come from pure nonexistence into physical reality than it is to come from death back to life?

like i said, its impossible for you to not have existed before you were born because then you would never have been born in the first place. the fact that you were born proves that you did in fact exist and were dead prior to being born.

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Unless you are wrong and my existence is based on genetic lottery and random luck and uncontrollable outside influences. You have yet to explain WHY your theory is the only valid one beyond "it just is" or by using curcular logic.
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it is valid because energy doesn't get destroy it only changes form. i don't think you need more explaination that this since you most likely won't understand even if we were to go further.you just need to understand what we mean by energy cannot be destroyed but it changes form
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Feb 9 2018, 04:37 AM
Unless you are wrong and my existence is based on genetic lottery and random luck and uncontrollable outside influences. You have yet to explain WHY your theory is the only valid one beyond "it just is" or by using curcular logic.
we can scratch genetic lottery off the list because even when twins are born they are two distinctly different people even if they are identical. physical characteristics are genetic lottery but not you yourself your consciousness is not made of genetics if they were then identical twins would be the exact same person. you can scratch random luck off the list because if you didnt exist before you were born how could you get lucky? you dont exist lol that only leave uncontrollable outside influences and that about sums it up. those outside influences are the influences of the cycle of life and death.

its impossible to be any other way because we live in a fractal. when you hold 2 mirrors up to one another what happens? you get an infinite reflection. to aspects of reality generate and endless reflection of polarities. thats why words in a mirror always appear backwards. thats why we have male and female because we are in that infinite reflection. thats why the image your eyes take in is up side down until your brain flips it right side up. because in a mirror everything is mirrored.

male is mirrored with female life with death and light with darkness. its impossible to operate outside of the law of polarity.
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Feb 9 2018, 04:57 AM
Daemon Keido
Feb 9 2018, 04:37 AM
Unless you are wrong and my existence is based on genetic lottery and random luck and uncontrollable outside influences. You have yet to explain WHY your theory is the only valid one beyond "it just is" or by using curcular logic.
we can scratch genetic lottery off the list because even when twins are born they are two distinctly different people even if they are identical. physical characteristics are genetic lottery but not you yourself your consciousness is not made of genetics if they were then identical twins would be the exact same person. you can scratch random luck off the list because if you didnt exist before you were born how could you get lucky? you dont exist lol that only leave uncontrollable outside influences and that about sums it up. those outside influences are the influences of the cycle of life and death.

its impossible to be any other way because we live in a fractal. when you hold 2 mirrors up to one another what happens? you get an infinite reflection. to aspects of reality generate and endless reflection of polarities. thats why words in a mirror always appear backwards. thats why we have male and female because we are in that infinite reflection. thats why the image your eyes take in is up side down until your brain flips it right side up. because in a mirror everything is mirrored.

male is mirrored with female life with death and light with darkness. its impossible to operate outside of the law of polarity.
and nothing can be just a simple accident due to the law of polarity.
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The energy that was transfered to make me came from my parents.

Stop with the condescension and explain your thoughts. Assume that if I cannot understand what you are saying I will either ask for clarification from you or someone else that can help me understand or that I will do personal research to do the same.
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Feb 9 2018, 04:58 AM
The energy that was transfered to make me came from my parents.

Stop with the condescension and explain your thoughts. Assume that if I cannot understand what you are saying I will either ask for clarification from you or someone else that can help me understand or that I will do personal research to do the same.
ok then explains to us what is pure energy?
Edited by jason vorhees, Feb 9 2018, 05:01 AM.
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Can you make your question more clear? I am not made of pure energy. I am energy that was turned into matter through numerous biological functions.

Also, you forgot to remember that "uncontrollable outside influences" includes how I lived my life so far. You have removed nothing of my points from the equation, you are simply not bothering to factor them into my arguement so that you can defeat it.
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i know you are not made of pure energy we just need you to explain to us too see if you can grasp what we mean thats all...
wait what outside influence are you talking about i haven't seen you mention any of this maybe quote it again...
Edited by jason vorhees, Feb 9 2018, 05:07 AM.
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Jason, enough. Either explain your point or stop talking.

Post 96 is where I first said it. You would know if you had read my posts instead of just responding to them.
Edited by Daemon Keido, Feb 9 2018, 05:08 AM.
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Feb 9 2018, 05:06 AM
Jason, enough. Either explain your point or stop talking.
you want us to explain to you but you don't want to explain to us so we can see where your position is???oh common mate
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