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After we die
Topic Started: Nov 29 2017, 12:44 AM (5,376 Views)
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halfbloodprince
Feb 6 2018, 05:01 PM
there is no such thing a nothing. you didn't exist before you were born so then what dictated you being born? you came out of that nothingness into something therefore it only stands to reason that if you return to that same nothingness eventually you will come back to something. everything breathes. we inhale and we exhale and then we inhale again. everything moves in cycles. in a circular fashion more so than a linear one.

to me it an absurd thought that after you die you just cease to exist. the sun rises and it sets and it rises again. the simple fact that it sets is what enables it to rise. life is the same way, we live because we die and we die because we live, we can not have one with out the other therefore the fact that we live implies that we will die and the fact that we die implies that we will live again.

like i said, for all intents and purposes we were dead before we were alive.

if you die and that it then that means that there is something that is keeping track of who's lived and died. if you die and you continue to live then that just the natural cycle of the soul.

if i was dead before i was born, then why am i alive? its because there is life after death.

and that's coming from someone who does not believe in the bible.
You're oversimplifying everything that you mention in order to fit a narrative.

What dictates you being born? Your parents.

What does breathing have to do with this cycle of life you bring up? Same thing with this sun analogy.

Also, you can't be dead before you were born, because being dead implies that you were alive beforehand. If you can prove this cycle of life without creating am oversimplified narrative, I'll hear you out more.
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Feb 6 2018, 05:08 PM
halfbloodprince
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there is no such thing a nothing. you didn't exist before you were born so then what dictated you being born? you came out of that nothingness into something therefore it only stands to reason that if you return to that same nothingness eventually you will come back to something. everything breathes. we inhale and we exhale and then we inhale again. everything moves in cycles. in a circular fashion more so than a linear one.

to me it an absurd thought that after you die you just cease to exist. the sun rises and it sets and it rises again. the simple fact that it sets is what enables it to rise. life is the same way, we live because we die and we die because we live, we can not have one with out the other therefore the fact that we live implies that we will die and the fact that we die implies that we will live again.

like i said, for all intents and purposes we were dead before we were alive.

if you die and that it then that means that there is something that is keeping track of who's lived and died. if you die and you continue to live then that just the natural cycle of the soul.

if i was dead before i was born, then why am i alive? its because there is life after death.

and that's coming from someone who does not believe in the bible.
Even if one were to assume that we could 'live' again, we wouldn't have our memories, our personalities or anything that made us who we are. At
that point, could you even consider that you?

As for nothingness, it's a difficult concept to grasp because it's the very opposite of everything we are and everything we know. That doesn't mean that it isn't a 'thing', though. We didn't exist before we were conceived/born and we won't exist after we die, there's no evidence of any kind of cycle at all.
if you didn't exist before you were born and you wont exist after then why do you exist now?....just because? that doesnt make sense.

and when you were born or when you we 2 or 3 just because you dont have your memories or experiences does that mean that 3 year old or 2 year old was not you? no of course it was you. if someone gets amnesia and forgets everything in their life that ever happened are they a different person all of a sudden? no, they are the same person.


and of course there is evidence of a cycle, our whole world moves in cycles why would it end at our lives? like i said there is day and night and day again, that is the cycle.

a father has a son and the son becomes the father and is survived by his SON/SUN because the SUN always rises again. that's basic bro and clearly references the cycle of life and death. like i said, if you didn't exist initially then you wouldn't exist right now, PERIOD. but you do exist which means that you existed before you were born, its simple logic really.

before you were born you did exist but you were not alive. so what pulled you out of that non existence and made you exist?

and there is no such thing as nothing. even the air we breath is something even what scientist at one time thought was empty space they now know if full of particles and other forces that pervade the entire universe. there is no nothing because everything is something. its that simple
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and there is no such thing as nothing. even the air we breath is something even what scientist at one time thought was empty space they now know if full of particles and other forces that pervade the entire universe. there is no nothing because everything is something. its that simple


Have you ever heard about void?
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There most certainly is life after death that we can prove. That being that everything your body is composed of gives life to other things like grass, flowers, plants in general. If you interpret as such, that is life after death.
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Feb 6 2018, 05:13 PM
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there is no such thing a nothing. you didn't exist before you were born so then what dictated you being born? you came out of that nothingness into something therefore it only stands to reason that if you return to that same nothingness eventually you will come back to something. everything breathes. we inhale and we exhale and then we inhale again. everything moves in cycles. in a circular fashion more so than a linear one.

to me it an absurd thought that after you die you just cease to exist. the sun rises and it sets and it rises again. the simple fact that it sets is what enables it to rise. life is the same way, we live because we die and we die because we live, we can not have one with out the other therefore the fact that we live implies that we will die and the fact that we die implies that we will live again.

like i said, for all intents and purposes we were dead before we were alive.

if you die and that it then that means that there is something that is keeping track of who's lived and died. if you die and you continue to live then that just the natural cycle of the soul.

if i was dead before i was born, then why am i alive? its because there is life after death.

and that's coming from someone who does not believe in the bible.
You're oversimplifying everything that you mention in order to fit a narrative.

What dictates you being born? Your parents.

What does breathing have to do with this cycle of life you bring up? Same thing with this sun analogy.

Also, you can't be dead before you were born, because being dead implies that you were alive beforehand. If you can prove this cycle of life without creating am oversimplified narrative, I'll hear you out more.
your parents dont dictate anything a physical biological body is produced through the act of sex that is true but they do not dictate you suddenly inhabiting that body from non existence. if you didn't exist you would not exist.

things that dont exist do not exist.. period therefor the fact that you were born indicates that you already existed before.

your parents simply had sex, they didn't dictate your consciousness inhabiting your body versus the body of some rhino. or simply remaining in nonexistence.

if you were not dead before you were alive then you simply didn't exist which doesnt make sense because things that do not exist just do not exist. and before i was born there was absolutely nothing and you suggest when i die there will be absolutely nothing. therefore the state of being unborn and the state of being are the exact same UNLESS you think there is something dictating and keeping track of souls that have lived and died.
so for all intents and purpses you WERE dead before you were born.

what does breathing have to do with the cycle? did you read what i said? everything breathes.

it is believed the universe began as infinitesimally small and then rapidly expanded and one day it will contract back in on itself

that is the breath cycle the same cycle of life. from my research and logical deduction skills the universe is without beginning or ending. it exist in a cycle of exspansion and contraction in hale and exhale and endlessly resets itself. just like the sun cycle.

like i said, you begin as a son and become a father and you have your own son who becomes a father after you who will have their own SUN


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Hold on. You're saying that anything that didn't exist before can't exist? Then why on Earth do we have words like "create" and "invent"?
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and there is no such thing as nothing. even the air we breath is something even what scientist at one time thought was empty space they now know if full of particles and other forces that pervade the entire universe. there is no nothing because everything is something. its that simple


Have you ever heard about void?
yea recent quantum theories suggest that there is a force that pervades empty space. in my view even void has properties and even space is something.
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Feb 6 2018, 05:36 PM
Hold on. You're saying that anything that didn't exist before can't exist? Then why on Earth do we have words like "create" and "invent"?
nothing can be created or invented from nothing. everything that has ever been created or invented was created or invented from natural resources that already existed.
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Feb 6 2018, 05:41 PM
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Feb 6 2018, 05:36 PM
Hold on. You're saying that anything that didn't exist before can't exist? Then why on Earth do we have words like "create" and "invent"?
nothing can be created or invented from nothing. everything that has ever been created or invented was created or invented from natural resources that already existed.
So you're saying natural resources have always existed? I think the majority of scientists would disagree with you there. The universe can't have always existed, it must have come from somewhere.
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Hold on. You're saying that anything that didn't exist before can't exist? Then why on Earth do we have words like "create" and "invent"?
nothing can be created or invented from nothing. everything that has ever been created or invented was created or invented from natural resources that already existed.
So you're saying natural resources have always existed? I think the majority of scientists would disagree with you there. The universe can't have always existed, it must have come from somewhere.
actually the common theory is that before the big bang the universe was still there just infinitesimally small and then it rapidly EXPANDED. infact there is no theory that says or outlines that the universe at somepoint did not exist. the big bang theory only says that the universe was infinitesimally small and then expanded and is still expanding today. they also say one day it will contract back in on itself. a simple process of logical deduction should conclude that the universe always has existed and expands and contracts. everything was still there in the beginning just really small until it expanded. and one day it will retract and start all over.
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Feb 6 2018, 05:31 PM
There most certainly is life after death that we can prove. That being that everything your body is composed of gives life to other things like grass, flowers, plants in general. If you interpret as such, that is life after death.
This. By 'nothingness', I think most people (including myself) mean in relation to your consciousness. halfblood is right, we don't technically come from nothing; the makeup of our bodies comes from our parents, which came from their parents, the same way our children will come from us. But the concept of death as we consider it is not in relation to our physical embodiment, but our conscious one.
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According to rhe bible you go to an endless sleep. Which means your consciousness ceases to exist up until the final hour when you ll be judged whether you are worthy for eternal life or not.


According to todays science : noone knows as for our body we die and slowly "turn to dust". But i do hope though that is not the case. We still dont know a lot about the consciousness and soul. Maybe there is a way at least i hope there is

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Feb 6 2018, 06:09 PM
According to rhe bible you go to an endless sleep. Which means your consciousness ceases to exist up until the final hour when you ll be judged whether you are worthy for eternal life or not.


According to todays science : noone knows as for our body we die and slowly "turn to dust". But i do hope though that is not the case. We still dont know a lot about the consciousness and soul. Maybe there is a way at least i hope there is
i think that there definitely is. I just cant believe some creatures on this planet are born and live for less than a day and just never live again. i think its like evolution. where we are all in a process of evolving and graduating into higher life forms and or higher spiritual dimensions after death
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I still don't know why people consider themselves as beings far above mere physics. We are basically just a bunch of cells aware of ourselves. Doesn't make us THAT special. Do you have any proof we are THAT special?*

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Feb 6 2018, 05:51 PM
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There most certainly is life after death that we can prove. That being that everything your body is composed of gives life to other things like grass, flowers, plants in general. If you interpret as such, that is life after death.
This. By 'nothingness', I think most people (including myself) mean in relation to your consciousness. halfblood is right, we don't technically come from nothing; the makeup of our bodies comes from our parents, which came from their parents, the same way our children will come from us. But the concept of death as we consider it is not in relation to our physical embodiment, but our conscious one.
youre so right but if you think of life as a fractal then we can equate and extrapolate certain aspects of life or the physical reality on to others. for example, in life there is life and there is death which we can equate with day and night. Because we can equate light with life and night with death we can do the same for male and female or with numbers.

so male + female = child

if we equate male and female with day and night and do the same equation we get

day + night = day

therefore if 1 + 0 = 1

then likewise Life + death = life.


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