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| halfbloodprince | Feb 9 2018, 03:28 PM Post #151 |
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It doesn't matter than you can observe it and im not saying it happens out of nowhere i said from nothing you develop a brain meaning from a state of nothingness you develop a brain. And y would u assume the opposite? There is no basis for that we already developed a brain from nothing. We came from literally nowhere referring to before you were conceived of course. So id we ever find ourselves in that state again its only logical that we will also find ourselves here again as well |
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| + Emmeth | Feb 9 2018, 03:36 PM Post #152 |
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At any rate it's not gonna be with the same memories, because we would've had proof of reincarnation by now if that was the case. If you are right and we are born again, we will not be the same person as before. So given that we can argue that we're not born again. |
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| + Ginyu | Feb 9 2018, 03:37 PM Post #153 |
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You clearly don't understand what a state of nothingness is. You see, you can't be in a "state of nothingness" because when you are, you actually aren't. You aren't in a state of anything. Your consciousness doesn't exist. It is created by your brain, it's simply billions of neutrons firing signals. When you die it fades, the exact same consciousness won't simply recreate itself, there is no basis to believe that. There is no basis to believe that your consciousness will somehow be generated again. It's also false to believe we came from literally nowhere. We know how children are made with sperm and eggs. We know where those come from, we know how they're developed inside our bodies. |
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| halfbloodprince | Feb 9 2018, 03:56 PM Post #154 |
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I use nothingness for lack of a better term.But the point is you just said you consciousness doesnt which would make you unconscious in other words dead. Consciousness isnt created by tge brain and you cant prove that it is. Thats lile saying radio frequencies are created by a radio instead of just being picked up by the radio And the exact same consciousness? Theres nothing unique about consciousness its just the state of being aware and even a dog is aware we all have the same consciousness but U the thing that thinks and feels thats different. A man lost 90% of his brain like it was literally blown away and he still functions exactly the same as before same exact person he was. |
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| + Ginyu | Feb 9 2018, 04:13 PM Post #155 |
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"But the point is you just said you consciousness doesnt which would make you unconscious in other words dead." Try this sentence again, no idea what you're trying to say. "Thats lile saying radio frequencies are created by a radio instead of just being picked up by the radio" This is not the same at all. Without radio's there are still radio waves. Without the brain there is no consciousness. "A man lost 90% of his brain like it was literally blown away and he still functions exactly the same as before same exact person he was." If you're talking about the French man with hydrocephalus. Scientists already figured that one out. This man has a specific type of hydrocephalus known as chronic non-communicating hydrocephalus, which is where fluid slowly builds up in the brain. Rather than 90 percent of this man's brain being missing, it's more likely that it's simply been compressed into a thin layer. you don't just use 10% of your brain. That's a Hollywood myth. Also, dude, where are you from. I'm sorry, but I honestly can't interpret most of your sentences, this conversation just isn't working. |
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| + Pointer | Feb 9 2018, 04:52 PM Post #156 |
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I do think there is something after death. It just cant be that our consciousness is cease to exists. I mean the complexity of our nature is yet to be 100 percently defined. We still dont know a lot about our body. Brain functions and stuff. Interestig |
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| + Emmeth | Feb 9 2018, 04:58 PM Post #157 |
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In a sense, I understand what halfbloodprince and jason vorhees is saying but I take it a different way; We come from nothing, we are here for a random period of time and then we go back into nothing. Our consciousness is connected to our life and when our life ceases, our consciousness ceases. I'd like to believe in something after death, but it's harder and harder to do so. It's not a comforting thought. |
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| halfbloodprince | Feb 9 2018, 05:16 PM Post #158 |
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Its because i been on a mobile all morning. im from the US and if u could link the article where they say that his brain is just thin thatd be great. But either way theres no proof consciousness is created by the brain especially when we have cases where people have died with no brain activity at all and still experience things. |
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| + Emmeth | Feb 9 2018, 05:28 PM Post #159 |
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I don't understand what you're trying to say with this. "We have cases where people have died with no brain activity at all and still experience things." Experience what exactly? How can we know what they've experienced while being brain dead (if you say they experienced things while being brain dead) ? |
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| halfbloodprince | Feb 9 2018, 06:12 PM Post #160 |
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Because they are revived by doctors. My grandmother told me about an experience she had where she was dead for 3 minutes and cold see and hear everything happening around her. I couldn't tell u if its true because i wasn't there but my mom and aunt have admitted she did die before and was revived |
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| Tinny | Feb 9 2018, 06:27 PM Post #161 |
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Is that brain dead, or the heart failing to beat? What were the circumstances of the woman's experience with death? One could argue that the fact that she was experiencing anything is proof she was not braindead. There would have been nothing otherwise. |
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| + Ginyu | Feb 10 2018, 11:37 AM Post #162 |
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scientists have a pretty good idea on how near-death experiences these days. Honestly if you look up nde's on google you'll more likely end up on a scientific article than a more spiritual one. Also remind yourself that for every near-death experience someone has, there are a dozen cases of people who we're "dead" for a moment and said there was nothing. |
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| halfbloodprince | Feb 10 2018, 11:16 PM Post #163 |
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But you didnt link the article where the guys brain was thin and not gone that proves consciousness is not created in the brain the doesnt even have a frontal lobe. And there are many nesr death experiences many people claim they witnessed things all around them after they were dead they described events that happened after death and claimed to be witnessing the events sometimes even looking down at their own bodies. Science cant prove y near death experiences happen and they also haven't proven consciousness is created in the brain |
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| + Ginyu | Feb 11 2018, 11:36 AM Post #164 |
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https://www.sciencealert.com/a-man-who-lives-without-90-of-his-brain-is-challenging-our-understanding-of-consciousness https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn12301-man-with-tiny-brain-shocks-doctors/ https://www.mensxp.com/social-hits/news/39692-this-man-without-a-brain-lives-a-healthy-life-what-have-you-done-lately.html Just a couple of links that explain it As for the near death experiences. There are tons of possible scientific explanations. It's absolutely no evidence of any afterlife. In fact, it pretty much gets countered by my point of there being a dozen people who didn't experience anything while being clinically dead for every person who has had a near death experience: http://mentalfloss.com/article/509691/near-death-experiences-explained-science https://listverse.com/2015/04/14/10-scientific-explanations-for-near-death-experiences/ https://www.livescience.com/16019-death-experiences-explained.html http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-23672150 (There are tons of these articles) |
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| halfbloodprince | Feb 12 2018, 12:31 AM Post #165 |
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ok none of the links say the mans brain is only really thin, here are a few quotes from the article you linked. "In the past, researchers have suggested that consciousness might be linked to various specific brain regions - such as the claustrum, a thin sheet of neurons running between major brain regions, or the visual cortex. But if those hypotheses were correct, then the French man shouldn't be conscious, with the majority of his brain damaged." "brain scans revealed that his skull was mostly filled with fluid, leaving just a thin outer layer of actual brain tissue, with the internal part of his brain almost totally eroded away." those articles themselves admit the case makes them rethink what makes us conscious none of them say that his brain is just really thin he is indeed missing 90% of his brain. as for the near death experiences. there are countless reports of near death experience and they all vary in details but they do happen the long running theory is that the brain releases chemicals at the time of death but this is only a theory. the point is no one really knows why people have near death experiences. just like they dont know why we have consciousness. its obviously not just because of a bunch of neurons firing because if that were the case then we'd have long since had artificial intelligence that rivaled or even surpassed ours. Edited by halfbloodprince, Feb 12 2018, 12:32 AM.
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