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SSJ 4 Goku, Vegeta and Gogeta Run the Gaunlet
Topic Started: Nov 25 2017, 09:46 PM (1,906 Views)
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Nov 29 2017, 01:09 AM
Most power scalers think Gt should stomp super into the ground.
GT isn't cannon to Super, though, it's only cannon to DB and DBZ.
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stops at god Goku from dbs
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Scenario 1: Whis
Scenario 2: SSG Goku.
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Goku and Vegeta by alone could stomp everyone from the movies.

They'd reach individually to Final form Frieza in which he tears them a new one, and need to fuse to reach Goku black.

BoG saga SSJG Goku is way out of their league, his punches are as strong as the spirit bomb Goku used to kill Omega shenron, maybe even stronger since it threatened all of the universe.
I like to think that BoG Saga SSJG Goku's power is what really set Super on a whole another level than GT.
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Movie god goku dose not even have to be on bebi saga gokus level. He just has to be above to me a theoretical ssj3 vegito which i believe rildo saga goku has already far surpassed going off the files, logic, and i still stick with a 50x for ssj.

But they get squished by god goku BoG arc. Potentially even to rage vegeta to be honest. With the exception of ssj4 gogeta who i have at god goku BoG arc level or in that realm of power.
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Goku and Vegeta individually could take down everyone in the movie. Together, they'd stomp. Gogeta would one-shot with ease.

Nobody except Gogeta is getting into the meat of the Super list, and even he stops at or just above SSG Goku (BoG arc).
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Ssj4 Gogeta is not that much stronger than Ssj4 Goku or Vegeta are on their own, he didn't even manage to finish Omega with one of his strongest move.
I don't really see him tangle around with a suppressed MFTL Beerus destroying the DB macrocosm with few punches in the process.

As for round 1, Whis could trap him in his cane and Gogeta wouldn't even be able to break free for what we know. This because DB characters can overcome hax, yes, but only from people weaker than them. And I have yet to see a proof for movie Whis to be not only weaker but also stronger as well than Gogeta. We can't tell.

Edit: let's simply say that I can see Ssj4 Gogeta scaling, as far as raw power goes, to a galaxy to multi-galaxy level. However, based on what we saw in Super until now, I have SSG Goku higher than that.
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Gogeta is several dozens of times stronger than Goku and Vegeta individually. I think that's quite a big gap.
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Yes I know, he is.
But I mean in the context of round 2: he would have to be much more than that for me to say "Ok, Ssj4 Goku or Vegeta can't do anything against SSG Goku but Gogeta can".

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Oh, then fair enough. I thought you were saying he was only a couple times stronger or something.
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Jan 1 2018, 11:05 PM
Oh, then fair enough. I thought you were saying he was only a couple times stronger or something.


No worries.
I have between 20 and 90 times stronger than surpassed limits Ssj4 Goku (according also to GTPF).



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Jan 1 2018, 11:05 PM
Oh, then fair enough. I thought you were saying he was only a couple times stronger or something.


No worries.
I have between 20 and 90 times stronger than surpassed limits Ssj4 Goku (according also to GTPF).



I thought the files said dozens of times which would be at bare minimum 24x.
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Jan 1 2018, 11:05 PM
Oh, then fair enough. I thought you were saying he was only a couple times stronger or something.


No worries.
I have between 20 and 90 times stronger than surpassed limits Ssj4 Goku (according also to GTPF).



I thought the files said dozens of times which would be at bare minimum 24x.


It actually says tens of times stronger.
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Oh, then fair enough. I thought you were saying he was only a couple times stronger or something.


No worries.
I have between 20 and 90 times stronger than surpassed limits Ssj4 Goku (according also to GTPF).



I thought the files said dozens of times which would be at bare minimum 24x.


It actually says tens of times stronger.
Huh ive only ever seen people talk about dozens of times never once have i seen someone say it said tens. I know for a fact potara was said to be tens of times recently.
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Jan 2 2018, 11:31 AM
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Jan 1 2018, 11:05 PM
Oh, then fair enough. I thought you were saying he was only a couple times stronger or something.


No worries.
I have between 20 and 90 times stronger than surpassed limits Ssj4 Goku (according also to GTPF).



I thought the files said dozens of times which would be at bare minimum 24x.


It actually says tens of times stronger.
Huh ive only ever seen people talk about dozens of times never once have i seen someone say it said tens. I know for a fact potara was said to be tens of times recently.


The italian guide states "La forza di Gogeta Ssj4 è qualche decina di volte più potente di quella di un Ssj4 normale".
Which means, literally: Ssj4 Gogeta's power is few tens of times greater than that of a standard Ssj4.
And this is my actual reference for classifying Gogeta's power, since it is perfectly in line with the boost Gotenks received in the Boo saga (and I find no reason to think Gogeta's boost is any different than Gotenks', since they are both metamoran fusions).

If you go by the english one, it says "dozens".
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