superperfectnerd

Oct 31 2017, 03:07 AM

It's still his body. Vegetto is not Goku.

Goku has never felt close to those levels of power before, that doesn't mean Vegetto hasn't. Vegetto is an entirely new man which Goku was not in control of, he had an entire new personality. Goku just sort of remembers being part of that.

ThePrinceOfSaiyans

Oct 30 2017, 09:08 PM

We don't have enough information to come a proper conclusion. All we know is that 10% of Blue's power is inferior to God's full power. That's the manga though. The anime makes no attempt to address how much stronger Blue is in comparison to God. It might be 50 times, seeing as how it doesn't seem to be covering Complete Blue, which is probably 50 times God in the manga.

Ssj3vegito96

Oct 31 2017, 04:06 AM

Honestly we just need a guidebook for this stuff. It's so hard to find accurate multipliers for God and blue. All I can tell you is that they should be much stronger than ssj3 because it made goku at least as strong as ssj3 vegito. But at the same time I don't like the idea of it being too ridiculously high because of things like android 17 and mystic gohan getting close to it.

And in the manga ssjb is probably like 2x ssjg and then complete ssjb is 50x stronger than ssjg. Although ssjb's power level can range now imo depending on how much power they lock inside them because vegeta, and maybe goku, can use complete ssjb fairly easily now.

I don't really have a precise number to give. I don't think I ever have. I just know that God and blue are way stronger than the gold forms

Solid Snake

Oct 31 2017, 03:05 AM

superperfectnerd

Oct 31 2017, 02:49 AM

I really don't think the writers are thinking about it this hard, yes if base Vegetto is ssj3 Goku level (only says so in a guide and I doubt Toriyama wrote it or really even thought about it) and yes if Goku's statement that Vegetto wouldn't be enough meant a ssj3 version of him and not simply the super Vegetto he remembers then ssjg would have to be a ludicrous multiplier, so ludicrous it makes all other forms pointless.

Having said that I bet if you asked a writer if ssjg was 10,000 odd times ssj3 Goku, they'd say "no, that's crazy big".

Goku says Vegetto wouldn't be enough, true but Vegetto is a new person and Goku may not be completely sure he can just automatically go ssj2 and 3 with no practice. Remember when Goten and Trunks fused in base and couldn't go ssj? They had to fuse as ssjs until they practiced transforming as Gotenks in the ROSAT. Piccolo didn't even think it was possible for them to transform as Gotenks. I'm not saying Vegetto can't, I'm saying Goku can only be sure of the power he remembers feeling and I think that line was meant to make us remember ssj Vegetto's beating up Boohan, not some hypothetical ssj3 version of a character we've never seen. Most casual fans probably don't think like that.

Goku says Vegetto wouldn't be enough but ssjg wasn't enough either.

Goku also says that ssjg is a power he couldn't dream of reaching alone but Vegetto is not Goku alone, so it doesn't have to include his power as a version of Goku's own strength.

Beerus wanted to fight ssjg, ssjg was what he had dreamt about. Wishing for the knowledge, attaining the form and then fighting was the best chance they had at satisfying the god win or lose, even if ssjg isn't much stronger than super saiyan Vegetto.

ssjg being 10,000 ssj3 just really undermines everything that came before and a ssj2 Goku can move Jiren's head, then a multiplier of 40,000 times that makes him use a finger?

Technically, Super Saiyan God isn't his own either then since he had to unite with his Saiyan family and friends' own power in conjunction with his owns.

Its only after he absorbs it's power that it becomes his.