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Vegito Ssj blue compare to jiren debate; Who's the better warrior from skills to power?
Topic Started: Oct 25 2017, 11:46 AM (4,009 Views)
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Oct 27 2017, 10:52 PM
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Oct 27 2017, 09:48 PM
Jiren is substantially stronger than Vegito Blue. He is the mortal that rivals and even could surpass the Gods.
SSJB Goku (Zamasu saga): 10
-Blue Kaioken x10: 100

SSJB Goku (ToP saga): 100
-Blue Kaioken x10: 1,000
--Blue Kaioken x20: 2,000
---Ultra Instinct: 6,100

Merged Zamasu (initial): 90
-Full Power: 2,500
--LoJ: 3,125
---Power Weighted: 3,906

Vegito Blue: 4,882
-Blue Kaioken x10: 48,828
--Blue Kaioken x20: 97,656

Beerus: 4,245

Whis: 6,368

Belmod: 5,307

Jiren: 6,000

Jiren doesn't have to be unfathomably more stronger than regular Vegito Blue.
The Vegito Blue Kaioken has a serious OP-problem but for the rest of it i think this power scaling is within reason ... within reason of Super-standards that is. He maybe would be able to give the Grand Priest some minor back pain.
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Oct 27 2017, 10:52 PM
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Oct 27 2017, 09:48 PM
Jiren is substantially stronger than Vegito Blue. He is the mortal that rivals and even could surpass the Gods.
SSJB Goku (Zamasu saga): 10
-Blue Kaioken x10: 100

SSJB Goku (ToP saga): 100
-Blue Kaioken x10: 1,000
--Blue Kaioken x20: 2,000
---Ultra Instinct: 6,100

Merged Zamasu (initial): 90
-Full Power: 2,500
--LoJ: 3,125
---Power Weighted: 3,906

Vegito Blue: 4,882
-Blue Kaioken x10: 48,828
--Blue Kaioken x20: 97,656

Beerus: 4,245

Whis: 6,368

Belmod: 5,307

Jiren: 6,000

Jiren doesn't have to be unfathomably more stronger than regular Vegito Blue.
The Vegito Blue Kaioken as a serious OP-problem but for the rest of it i think this power scaling is within reason ... within reason of Super-standards that is.
Well, like I said, Kaioken usage pretty much mean the fusion ends so it's not really op.
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The amount of Ki-control the characters have, sometimes make fights look a little bit ridiculous.

Goku, Beerus, Jiren ... they can all fight within fractions of their max, and still look agressive.
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Honestly it depends on how many times the angles are stronger then a destroyer.

But Jiren full power and CSSJB Vegito should be leagues stronger then destroyer honestly, since they are => destroyer level while holding back.
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Oct 27 2017, 10:52 PM
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Oct 27 2017, 09:48 PM
Jiren is substantially stronger than Vegito Blue. He is the mortal that rivals and even could surpass the Gods.
SSJB Goku (Zamasu saga): 10
-Blue Kaioken x10: 100

SSJB Goku (ToP saga): 100
-Blue Kaioken x10: 1,000
--Blue Kaioken x20: 2,000
---Ultra Instinct: 6,100

Merged Zamasu (initial): 90
-Full Power: 2,500
--LoJ: 3,125
---Power Weighted: 3,906

Vegito Blue: 4,882
-Blue Kaioken x10: 48,828
--Blue Kaioken x20: 97,656

Beerus: 4,245

Whis: 6,368

Belmod: 5,307

Jiren: 6,000

Jiren doesn't have to be unfathomably more stronger than regular Vegito Blue.
Where did you get these numbers from? Did Toriyama mention these in a new interview>
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he made the numbers up
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Going by the fusion boost from dbs vegito base should be stronger then a goku Ssj 3. Which mean regular Ssj vegito most likely would be stronger then ssj red goku. So just imagine vegito boost when he hits Ssj blue? There's no fking way he's not leads above beerus. I'm not saying he's stronger then jiren but there's no way this will be a easy fight.
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Oct 28 2017, 01:07 AM
Honestly it depends on how many times the angles are stronger then a destroyer.

But Jiren full power and CSSJB Vegito should be leagues stronger then destroyer honestly, since they are => destroyer level while holding back.
Again with this nonsense =_= Jiren suppressed is not>Gods. Whis just assumed that Jiren could be above the Gods because his power was really great. Whis already know about a mortal above the Gods is in the tournament and this mortal con be only Jiren. It doesn't mean that suppressed Jiren is>Gods, come on...Whis understands that Jiren maximum level can be compared to that of the Hakaishins or perhaps even more powerful.

He just accounting Jiren's hypothetical full power, that's all. Jiren is confirmed Hakaishin tier in Toei site and above to Belmod only in battle power in the manga....how can be leagues stronger then destroyer? this is a bad joke or just Jiren w***...


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Jiren is substantially stronger than Vegito Blue. He is the mortal that rivals and even could surpass the Gods.
SSJB Goku (Zamasu saga): 10
-Blue Kaioken x10: 100

SSJB Goku (ToP saga): 100
-Blue Kaioken x10: 1,000
--Blue Kaioken x20: 2,000
---Ultra Instinct: 6,100

Vegito Blue: 4,882
-Blue Kaioken x10: 48,828
--Blue Kaioken x20: 97,656
Quite difficult to accept that Goku (ToP) improved 10x vs Goku (Zamasu saga). Furthermore, Goku (ToP) SSJB kkx20 is just about half of Vegito Blue, again very difficult to accept. Especially berserker Kale tanked SSJB Goku (ToP) Kamehameha and toyed with Goku like Hulk vs Loki in Avengers. But anyway, DBS power levels are never consistent.
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Oct 30 2017, 02:51 AM
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Jiren is substantially stronger than Vegito Blue. He is the mortal that rivals and even could surpass the Gods.
SSJB Goku (Zamasu saga): 10
-Blue Kaioken x10: 100

SSJB Goku (ToP saga): 100
-Blue Kaioken x10: 1,000
--Blue Kaioken x20: 2,000
---Ultra Instinct: 6,100

Vegito Blue: 4,882
-Blue Kaioken x10: 48,828
--Blue Kaioken x20: 97,656
Quite difficult to accept that Goku (ToP) improved 10x vs Goku (Zamasu saga). Furthermore, Goku (ToP) SSJB kkx20 is just about half of Vegito Blue, again very difficult to accept. Especially berserker Kale tanked SSJB Goku (ToP) Kamehameha and toyed with Goku like Hulk vs Loki in Avengers. But anyway, DBS power levels are never consistent.
How is it difficult? Goku was last recorded, with Blue during the Universe 6 & 7 tournament, to be 10x Blue with Kaioken against Hit, and later he fought Hit, who's gotten stronger, and won without Kaioken x10 amping Blue.

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Oct 27 2017, 09:48 PM
Jiren is substantially stronger than Vegito Blue. He is the mortal that rivals and even could surpass the Gods.
SSJB Goku (Zamasu saga): 10
-Blue Kaioken x10: 100

SSJB Goku (ToP saga): 100
-Blue Kaioken x10: 1,000
--Blue Kaioken x20: 2,000
---Ultra Instinct: 6,100

Merged Zamasu (initial): 90
-Full Power: 2,500
--LoJ: 3,125
---Power Weighted: 3,906

Vegito Blue: 4,882
-Blue Kaioken x10: 48,828
--Blue Kaioken x20: 97,656

Beerus: 4,245

Whis: 6,368

Belmod: 5,307

Jiren: 6,000

Jiren doesn't have to be unfathomably more stronger than regular Vegito Blue.
I dont think so

The difference between top goku and end of zamasu arc goku is minimal heck i even have them equal since

Goku did nothing NOTHING TO IMPROVE HIMSELF

Thats why i believe zamasu arc goku = top goku

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Jiren is substantially stronger than Vegito Blue. He is the mortal that rivals and even could surpass the Gods.
SSJB Goku (Zamasu saga): 10
-Blue Kaioken x10: 100

SSJB Goku (ToP saga): 100
-Blue Kaioken x10: 1,000
--Blue Kaioken x20: 2,000
---Ultra Instinct: 6,100

Merged Zamasu (initial): 90
-Full Power: 2,500
--LoJ: 3,125
---Power Weighted: 3,906

Vegito Blue: 4,882
-Blue Kaioken x10: 48,828
--Blue Kaioken x20: 97,656

Beerus: 4,245

Whis: 6,368

Belmod: 5,307

Jiren: 6,000

Jiren doesn't have to be unfathomably more stronger than regular Vegito Blue.
I dont think so

The difference between top goku and end of zamasu arc goku is minimal heck i even have them equal since

Goku did nothing NOTHING TO IMPROVE HIMSELF

Thats why i believe zamasu arc goku = top goku
Why do you have them equals if you saw Goku beat Hit without Kaioken x10 again?
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imo Vegito would clearly be the more skilled fighter. Goku & Vegeta combined create the perfect warrior.

Power wise, it's a coin flip. In the manga the Supreme Kai clearly stated Vegito was more powerful than Beerus already, and we're not totally sure yet if Jiren is also more powerful than Beerus. We know he's more powerful than the clown God, but Beerus seems to be more powerful than him (from the manga).
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Oct 27 2017, 09:48 PM
Jiren is substantially stronger than Vegito Blue. He is the mortal that rivals and even could surpass the Gods.
SSJB Goku (Zamasu saga): 10
-Blue Kaioken x10: 100

SSJB Goku (ToP saga): 100
-Blue Kaioken x10: 1,000
--Blue Kaioken x20: 2,000
---Ultra Instinct: 6,100

Merged Zamasu (initial): 90
-Full Power: 2,500
--LoJ: 3,125
---Power Weighted: 3,906

Vegito Blue: 4,882
-Blue Kaioken x10: 48,828
--Blue Kaioken x20: 97,656

Beerus: 4,245

Whis: 6,368

Belmod: 5,307

Jiren: 6,000

Jiren doesn't have to be unfathomably more stronger than regular Vegito Blue.
I dont think so

The difference between top goku and end of zamasu arc goku is minimal heck i even have them equal since

Goku did nothing NOTHING TO IMPROVE HIMSELF

Thats why i believe zamasu arc goku = top goku
Why do you have them equals if you saw Goku beat Hit without Kaioken x10 again?
Hmm maybe


Just maybe


Kaioken 10 goku > goku blue top > hit before top

During the u6 if goku hadnt lost too much stamine i am pretty sure even kaiokeb 4 could have wrecked hit


But then what is your poibt how come goku gained like *10 what u have written between zamasu and top. That just cant be done while doing zero training and stuff.

VEGETA did train.... but goku didnt

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Kaioshin said that Jiren is stronger than anyone they've ever faced, which would include Merged Zamasu, who was able to pressure Blue Vegetto, so I'd say it's pretty clear who's stronger. Even in a contest of skill, Jiren would probably still come out on top, given that he was able to keep up with Ultra Instinct Goku, which provides a skill set even the Gods of Destruction struggle to master.
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