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Highlights of Super vs highlights of Z
Topic Started: Oct 24 2017, 05:10 PM (1,198 Views)
+ Ssj3vegito96 Oct 24 2017, 05:10 PM Post #1
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 Overall I prefer Z but I want to talk about the best parts of Super compared to the best parts of Z

Super has way more memorable and epic moments whereas dbz had really good build up to not as many epic moments like goku turning ssj for the first time and his fight with Frieza, and gohan's transformation and fight with cell, etc.

Super has a huge list of amazing fights and other scenes. It's up to you whether you find the highlights of Z or Super more entertaining. I think one big difference I noticed is that in Super we see a lot of them but they usually don't last that long. In Z we have less but they will last a lot longer. Goku vs jiren is the closest we get to this. Big fight starts and gradually builds up to a climax. In Super it's usually just craziness for 5+ minutes straight

What are your thoughts on how the highlights of Super compare to the highlights of Z?
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Darker Oct 24 2017, 05:38 PM Post #2
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 It's very hard for me to get hyped in any DBS fight since there are no stakes. I can't call them amazing whatsoever in any other department but animation, and without any emotion carrying the fight, it's just smooth animation, often interrupted by bits of mediocre, decent or just underwhelming animation that doesn't fit with the good parts.

Z has really good fights that have drama behind them, and the stakes couldn't get any higher because in comparison, the last few fights in Super give the main characters a free pass with the "no killing" rule. But then you go back to Z, with Goku seeing his best friend die in a brutal manner by Freeza, the slayer of whole planets, responsible for the death of his many friends. He turns Super Saiyan and makes him pay for all his evil deeds.

Compare that to Goku VS Jiren where Jiren is the actual hero there. Goku has already erased countless innocent lives through Zeno and threatens to erase more, Jiren is an actual defender of worlds and has stopped Kami knows how many planetary threats. In Goku's defense Zeno was planning to do this anyway but gave Zeno the idea of a tournament, but I believe this is only explicitly explained in the manga, whereas in the anime, I can't remember Zeno ever mentioning that.

But I'm getting off-topic.

Another moment to compare, Cell sending his Cell Jr to torture his friends and crushing an android who will never get the chance to be resurrected all to torture Gohan who is very aware all of this is his fault. Then he transforms and proceeds to follow Goku's footsteps back on Namek with Freeza, and the beatdown is just as satisfying.

There's no emotional impact with any of the fights in Dragon Ball Super compared to the fights in Z.



Fights aside, to say Super has no highlights would be a bit insulting. Super's animation is sometimes pretty. There are some "interesting" characters. The writers may have taken their coolness away over time, but Hit's scenes are still among the cooler ones in DBS, and no one can take that away from him.
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+ ThePrinceOfSaiyans Oct 24 2017, 08:02 PM Post #3
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 Well, I certainly prefer quality over quantify, but I don't even know If I'd agree that Super has more memorable moments. If I were to list out all the memorable moments from Super, I'd have:
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If I counted all the ones from Z, I'd have
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Darker Oct 24 2017, 08:31 PM Post #4
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 Yeah if you ask me there's nothing Super has that Z didn't have or doesn't do better.
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Thiln Oct 25 2017, 12:51 AM Post #5
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 I do have to give credit to Super for making some attempt to branch out in the motivations and attitudes of its villains. Zamasu's execution as a misguided angel fallen from grace could have definitely been handled better, but it was a good effort nonetheless. If only the descension could have been more gradual with some nuances applied to Zamasu's outlook involving matters like the afterlife, other less aggressive species like the Namekians, and his general conduct when it comes to vanquishing ningen.

Would you like to know something funny? Dragon Ball did in fact play on this idea of a more attuned villain at one brief point with Staff Officer Black.

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When else has a villain ever shown sensitivity to the sacrifices and efforts of others? Zamasu followed a different ideology, but that same appreciation for what he believed in was significant.
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Darker Oct 25 2017, 07:13 AM Post #6
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 I should probably rephrase that to DB and Z versus Super.

DBZ doesn't have guys like Zamasu, but he was so badly executed and so pathetic that is there even a point in comparing him with endearing villains like Fat Boo?
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Namek_Nimrod Oct 25 2017, 01:37 PM Post #7
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Described this in another thread...Z had much better build-up. Goku would always be on his way as the other Z warriors would be fighting and arrive just in time...it built excitement. Now Goku is just rammed down your throat every episode.
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+ Clearin Oct 25 2017, 02:40 PM Post #8
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 Personally I don't think any moment in Super has topped Goku's first Super Saiyan transformation.
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Bad User Oct 25 2017, 03:03 PM Post #9
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 As for the surprise factor, Z is superior. It beats Super from a mile in terms of unpredictability. That must be either because Super had the bad luck of being the predecessor of a very successful series and has to pick up the remnants of the tension its ancestor used to have, or because its producers have a lot of ideas but simply not the patience to take time and write Super in an ampler way. They both have highlights, but we know by far who's the winner.
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