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| Tinny | Oct 24 2017, 10:54 PM Post #16 |
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No it is not, it is not our nature to think ahead, it is not our nature to look beyond our own tribes. Our nature if left unaffected is to live life in a nasty, brutish, and short manner, to live to at most 40 with many injuries. To have no sense of morality, to be completely dedicatted to ourselves and only our selves. To be short sighted and never think again. These are all things we have been trying to move beyond since the Mesopotamians laid down the rule of law, and we continue to move along, with varying success. Our entire history is one of trying to better ourselves and at many points failing. It is our nature to do so, but that does not make it an excuse. It is in our nature to rape and kill and slaughter and enslave and be the basest creatures we can be just so we do slightly better than the other people we know, but humanity is supposed to move beyond that, and that has been a driving force of civilization since before we knew how to write. It benefits you, that doesn't make you a better person, it merely makes you less stupid when you stand up for it. |
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| lazerbem | Oct 24 2017, 11:14 PM Post #17 |
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Well actually a lot of that theory is based upon violent and patriarchal research on sociology that was used as an excuse for many things. More modern research is more mixed and you can very easily say that no, it's not some kind of human nature that makes people brutish and live short lives or whatever. |
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| Wolf | Jan 17 2018, 08:00 PM Post #18 |
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Yes you can blame them. No matter what is taught or shown to you, common sense should takeover. Treating any human the way those people did is disgusting. No matter what, those actions are inexcusable. |
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| + Pelador | Jan 17 2018, 08:07 PM Post #19 |
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I learned the other day that Africans weren't the only slaves. Chinese, Korean and Japanese people were taken in large numbers in the 16th century. They were viewed as even lower than black people. |
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| * Mitas | Jan 17 2018, 08:14 PM Post #20 |
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Every race has been subjected to slavery. |
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| Wolf | Jan 17 2018, 08:28 PM Post #21 |
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Any form of slavery is wrong. No human should be subjected to living beneath others for simple things as race or ethnicity. It’s degrading as a whole for us to have that in our history. |
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| Toxin45 | Jan 18 2018, 03:44 AM Post #22 |
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I hold them fully responsible |
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| + Ssj3vegito96 | Jan 18 2018, 04:32 AM Post #23 |
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I don't think it's fair to judge people on standards from a different time |
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| Wolf | Jan 18 2018, 04:37 AM Post #24 |
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Morals haven’t changed in thousands of years. I don’t think it takes a lot to think “hey maybe whipping this guy cause he doesn’t want to do the work I don’t want to do isn’t right” That’s simple logic. |
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| YusukeReborn | Jan 29 2018, 08:22 PM Post #25 |
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There's a fine line when you have to realize what you're doing isn't right. I don't give these people any passes. |
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| + Son-Goku | Jan 30 2018, 04:42 AM Post #26 |
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I mean, slavery in itself I'd say no. But the way they treated them like animals yeah, you can definitely blame them. |
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| + Ginyu | Jan 30 2018, 02:34 PM Post #27 |
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Eh... It's a tougher issue than most people think. Who knows, people might look back on us in 200 years and think to themselves: JESUS, how inhumane are these guys to animals! How did the world not go vegan by 21st century already! Or they'll think. Wow, you idiots were SO certain communism doesn't work, even though it hadn't been properly tried until then! And we're just sitting here enjoying our bacon while we think those future vegan communists are sensitive pussies. Or maybe they'll turn into carnivorous fascists. Who knows. |
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| lazerbem | Jan 30 2018, 07:10 PM Post #28 |
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It’s not a tough issue when many countries had already banned slavery though. Your analogy doesn’t make any sense |
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| Tinny | Jan 31 2018, 12:58 PM Post #29 |
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It isn't really, just take a look at what happened when Christopher Columbus came back to Spain with slaves. Isabella was disgusted by this, had the slaves freed, and arrested Colombus for that. This is the woman who led the reconquista, if there is any other leader that was still in the medieval age of knights and kings, it was Isabella. Central to the conquistadors was the idea of the hidalgo, and of knighthood and chivalry. This place was arguably even more behind than most of the world but recognized slavery as a great evil, at least at the moment they did. When we talk about "people who treated Africans like slaves" I think it's easy enough to say they're not talking about Islamic or west African slavery, in which one was either encouraged to free said slaves or this was a punishment (or conquest of course) and rarely passed down to the offspring. No, slavery as we know, with the triangle trade, what was practiced in Brazil and the Caribbean and the Eastern Seaboard, began in this period. We invented it here. It is a modern invention that stands right next to the renaissance. We created an idea that ran contrary to traditional morals, and eventually most people adopted it, but this is nothing like you describe in your examples. A better example is looking at the days of lord and knights and thinking "How did they not realize democracy was best?" Which I can't speak for everyone, but I certainly don't hold it against them. Nor do I hold it against them to abstain from meat during lent, or to avoid potatoes. I do however hold it against them that they went against their traditional values in order to partake in such a horrible and inhumane enterprise, as well as the worst possible example of slavery ever seen on the face of the Earth. They created this. They nurtured it knowing full well that it was wrong. They went ahead with this anyway. This is not some ageless institution which has always existed and will always exist and is a part of the natural human condition, this is not something that has always been a part of Europe. This was invented in the same age that we know it existed and expanded. Yes, they can be blamed, to say otherwise is simply insane, you may as well argue that killing people for beating you at a game or contest was justified back then (and it never was) for all the sense that this particularly disgusting brand of slavery was natural. Edited by Tinny, Jan 31 2018, 05:37 PM.
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| halfbloodprince | Feb 5 2018, 08:36 PM Post #30 |
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really?! im shocked im new here and im completely in awe at some of these comments. you cant blame someone that didn't have the common decency to treat others as human beings or simply how they would like to be treated? who cares what time period it was? its not like they didn't have their own brains to think and know right from wrong for themselves. slave oweners lived in close proximity to their slaves and would have known these people were people like them but they would have ignored it. they saw these people cry, struggle and bleed they simply didn't care. to me that is inexcusable. of course i blame them because they are to blame. |
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