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Lesson of the goku black saga
Topic Started: Oct 20 2017, 01:25 AM (497 Views)
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There might be something that happens between the two zenos but until then what would you say are some lessons to learn from how this saga unfolded?

Don't give me any "x is a retard that's why this saga ended like that" or anything like that

Right now what I thought of are these lessons

You shouldn't play God. No matter how bad the circumstances are, playing god can make it even worse. Trunks thought by time traveling he could make the world a better place. But it eventually led to the universe being destroyed lol

Another is knowing your place. As good as he thought he and his plan was, zamasu couldn't accept his role. It ended up killing him and the world he wanted to make perfect which leads into the next lesson

Nobody is perfect so nobody can make this world perfect

The saga just uses a dark ending to illustrate these
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Zamasu pretty much went the Light Yagami way.
"If you kill all the bad people, you will be the only bastard left" (Ryuk). Nuff said
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Lesson is that instead of messing with all this time travel s*** future Piccolo, Tenshinhan, Yamcha and Krillin should have simply gone to King Kai (as soon as they died) and asked him to contact the Namekians to resurrect them and Vegeta, stick Gohan and Vegeta in the ROSAT that Mr Popo or Kami once reviced should inform them of and then have Vegeta stomp the androids. If Vegeta is too risky then Piccolo can fuse with Kami and hop into the ROSAT with Gohan for good measure.

After the saiyan saga the Z fighters are capable of travelling to an entire new planet after losing Piccolo with the aid of King Kai to find out where they are going and manage to wish everyone back. Yet when the androids arrive they suddenly forget that King Kai has contacted the Namekians and got them to make wishes before to het everyone off of Planet Namek before it exploded but here when they already have made friends with the Namekians King Kai is suddenly incapable of asking them to get Porunga to bring Piccolo and the others back again? Why? He does it in the Boo saga and dead characters contact earth characters quite frequetly in the saiyan and Namek sagas and yet Bulma opts for time travel...17 odd years after everyone died to the androids? The Boo saga had multiple conversations accross galaxies through King Kai and wishes being made to even restore Goku's stamina yet Porunga couldn't help with the androids? It's quite ridiculous really.

Obviously Toriyama just felt like doing a time travel story and didn't really think how illogical it is based on the options he already set out int the previous saga. The whole linchpin of the Namek arc was that the Earth Dragon Balls were gone so they needed Namekian ones, in this saga they logically don't even need to go to Namek to ask the Namekians for a favour and yet they don't bother? The androids could have been defeated before Trunks turned 2.

The Black arc could have fixed this by having Black arrive in Trunks' timeline before the arrival of the androids and kill...then kill again (fully erasing) King Kai. The non-existence of King Kai can then be the true reason for the bleakness of Trunks' future.
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"I am the bone of my sword."

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You shouldn't play God. No matter how bad the circumstances are, playing god can make it even worse. Trunks thought by time traveling he could make the world a better place. But it eventually led to the universe being destroyed lol


I find that to be very unfair to Trunks. His world at the time was utterly screwed, no hope, just a life of misery thanks to the cyborgs. It took years of planning and hard work to finally find peace not just for himself but for the whole world. He finally actually manages to stop the cyborgs through the remote, only for some random bug to kill him and steal his time machine. So through weird issues, he's got to deal with two cyborgs and another creature on that. All because he wanted to help his, let's be honest, pretty f***ed up world.

And he finally gets it, he kills the androids, kills Cell and finally gets a little peace in his world. There are no dragon balls he knows of that will fix this. Gohan and the rest aren't coming back so he and the rest of the world really needs to work together to fix the damages done.

And then Goku Black shows up.

And then everyone in the universe gets blown up.

Trunks had no intention of playing God, he just wanted to help his world and he was screwed over as a result. Trunks is lucky he's part of some nice, Shounen series because any other character would've snapped at this point. He'd have murdered everyone in cold-blood, murdered his friends, murdered his allies, cooked Zeno in a stove and then used his time machine to go back to a young Goku and kill him while laughing. He would've gone off the deep end as any rational character would have and would become the only living thing in all universes.

And then he would've slit his throat.

Because it would honestly just be like...

"If I can't have a happy life, why should any of you?"
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Oct 20 2017, 02:18 PM
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You shouldn't play God. No matter how bad the circumstances are, playing god can make it even worse. Trunks thought by time traveling he could make the world a better place. But it eventually led to the universe being destroyed lol


I find that to be very unfair to Trunks. His world at the time was utterly screwed, no hope, just a life of misery thanks to the cyborgs. It took years of planning and hard work to finally find peace not just for himself but for the whole world. He finally actually manages to stop the cyborgs through the remote, only for some random bug to kill him and steal his time machine. So through weird issues, he's got to deal with two cyborgs and another creature on that. All because he wanted to help his, let's be honest, pretty f***ed up world.

And he finally gets it, he kills the androids, kills Cell and finally gets a little peace in his world. There are no dragon balls he knows of that will fix this. Gohan and the rest aren't coming back so he and the rest of the world really needs to work together to fix the damages done.

And then Goku Black shows up.

And then everyone in the universe gets blown up.

Trunks had no intention of playing God, he just wanted to help his world and he was screwed over as a result. Trunks is lucky he's part of some nice, Shounen series because any other character would've snapped at this point. He'd have murdered everyone in cold-blood, murdered his friends, murdered his allies, cooked Zeno in a stove and then used his time machine to go back to a young Goku and kill him while laughing. He would've gone off the deep end as any rational character would have and would become the only living thing in all universes.

And then he would've slit his throat.

Because it would honestly just be like...

"If I can't have a happy life, why should any of you?"
Blimey.

But yeah, like I said if any one of the Z fighters had acted straight away and asked King Kai to contact Namek then Trunks wouldn't have even had to do anything.

So if I learnt anything from the time travel stuff it's that for some weird reason future Piccolo, Tenshinhan, Yamcha and Krillin die at the hands of the androids, get to eep their bodies as they did before and then they just suddenly don't give a flying f*** about The Earth anymore and don't bother with asking King Kai for help.

So Bulma spends 17 years in silence with no contact from her friends like Yamcha speaking to her from King Kai's as sson as he got to the end of Snake Way in the Namek Saga, nope not this time, he can't be arsed. So spends that time building a time machine as it must be the only option available (or else why they f***?) whilst the androids destroy more and more of her world.
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Oct 20 2017, 01:55 PM
Lesson is that instead of messing with all this time travel s*** future Piccolo, Tenshinhan, Yamcha and Krillin should have simply gone to King Kai (as soon as they died) and asked him to contact the Namekians to resurrect them and Vegeta, stick Gohan and Vegeta in the ROSAT that Mr Popo or Kami once reviced should inform them of and then have Vegeta stomp the androids. If Vegeta is too risky then Piccolo can fuse with Kami and hop into the ROSAT with Gohan for good measure.
That's a bit retroactive since the topic is about Black Goku saga, but also extremely accurate. Lesson is (prepare to be hurrprised) people still can't do s*** without Goku.

But the thing about the script is not new music to our ears. We know A.T. made up everything as he went on with the manga, so chances are that maybe when writing F.Trunks saga, he already forgot about Namek saga. And then remembered again during Buu saga.
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Oct 20 2017, 02:34 PM
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Oct 20 2017, 01:55 PM
Lesson is that instead of messing with all this time travel s*** future Piccolo, Tenshinhan, Yamcha and Krillin should have simply gone to King Kai (as soon as they died) and asked him to contact the Namekians to resurrect them and Vegeta, stick Gohan and Vegeta in the ROSAT that Mr Popo or Kami once reviced should inform them of and then have Vegeta stomp the androids. If Vegeta is too risky then Piccolo can fuse with Kami and hop into the ROSAT with Gohan for good measure.
That's a bit retroactive since the topic is about Black Goku saga, but also extremely accurate. Lesson is (prepare to be hurrprised) people still can't do s*** without Goku.

But the thing about the script is not new music to our ears. We know A.T. made up everything as he went on with the manga, so chances are that maybe when writing F.Trunks saga, he already forgot about Namek saga. And then remembered again during Buu saga.
Yeah I'm just saying that Black had a point about Trunks messing with time leading to all of this. He shouldn't have ever needed to mess with time.
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