Ultra instinct goku vs beerus.

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Ultra instinct goku vs beerus.
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Lord Frieza	Oct 19 2017, 11:18 PM Post #1
Posts: 265 Group: Member Member #13,600 Joined: October 30, 2016 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime Dragon ball,dragon ball z,dragon ball super What Browser do you use? Google Chrome Favourite Manga Dragon ball	Can goku finally beat beerus now? Ultra instinct have infinite time. Beerus can't use hakai.



+ Pyrus	Oct 19 2017, 11:29 PM Post #2
Posts: 39,342 Group: Legend Member #5,088 Joined: August 1, 2010 Gender Not Specified Country Chile	Beerus still wins, but Goku puts up a decent fight.
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jason vorhees	Oct 19 2017, 11:46 PM Post #3
Posts: 642 Group: Member Member #14,111 Joined: October 19, 2017 Gender Male Favourite Anime dragonball ,jjba,yugioh	beerus would still win for now at least



Blue Evolution Vegeta	Oct 20 2017, 09:05 AM Post #4
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Notaka	Oct 20 2017, 04:13 PM Post #5
Always Wright Posts: 4,070 Group: Member Member #10,814 Joined: January 31, 2014 Country Algeria What Browser do you use? Waterfox Favourite Manga Dragon Ball, JoJo no kimyou na bouken, One piece, currently reading Shaman King	Goku did seem to master Ultra instinct, something which Beerus has trouble with in the anime at least. Their powers are roughly identical, maybe Beerus edging at first then Goku gaining the advantage. I give it to Goku after a hard fight.
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+ Son-Goku	Oct 21 2017, 02:49 AM Post #6
孫悟空 Posts: 13,359 Group: Elite Member Member #12,886 Joined: January 24, 2016 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime DB/DBZ/DBS, Code Geass, Gintama, YYH, Death Note, and SAO. What Browser do you use? Google Chrome Favourite Manga Dragon Ball, Fairy Tail, and Naruto.	Since Goku can maintain this transformation he definitely takes this fight.
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jason vorhees	Oct 26 2017, 03:23 AM Post #7
Posts: 642 Group: Member Member #14,111 Joined: October 19, 2017 Gender Male Favourite Anime dragonball ,jjba,yugioh	beerus still wins he isn't on jiren lv yet to be able to beat beerus Edited by jason vorhees, Oct 26 2017, 03:24 AM.



I'll Take This	Oct 26 2017, 04:31 AM Post #8
Posts: 682 Group: Member Member #12,288 Joined: May 1, 2015	If it's unlimited time then Goku wins Jiren was said to be destroyer level, if not above it while holding back. UI Goku was pushing back Jiren, making UI Goku => Jiren holding back => Beerus Goku wins. Edited by I'll Take This, Oct 26 2017, 04:31 AM.



David	Oct 26 2017, 02:12 PM Post #9
Posts: 53 Group: Member Member #14,033 Joined: August 29, 2017 Gender Male	Quote: UI Goku was pushing back Jiren, making UI Goku => Jiren holding back => Beerus Yeah, no. Beerus still win. Ultra instinct is not an auto win like some people believe. In pure martial arts is a great advantage (like we have see with Beerus in the manga), but you can't beat everyone only with this ability or only by dodge them, especially if the opponent is more stronger, faster, skilled or if he has powerful hax abilities. It all comes back to stats. And Beerus can use self movement as well, he just need to mastered it. Also, Jiren is above to Belmod only in battle power.



StrenuousSpider	Oct 26 2017, 03:09 PM Post #10
Posts: 2,085 Group: Member Member #13,372 Joined: July 11, 2016 Gender Male Country United States	I'll Take This Oct 26 2017, 04:31 AM If it's unlimited time then Goku wins Jiren was said to be destroyer level, if not above it while holding back. UI Goku was pushing back Jiren, making UI Goku => Jiren holding back => Beerus Goku wins. It was never outright stated that he was stronger then all the gods. Whis even said the rumor may be true. Key words being MAY BE. None of the gods outright said he was stronger then them. The 4 exempt gods where surprised someone like him and UI goku existed in the weaker universes so we can assume someone as strong as the jiren we have seen so far exist in those universes. Like someone said you can still be stronger then someone with UI. So until we see jirens full power or until it is outright said he is stronger then the gods dont jump the gun.



I'll Take This	Oct 26 2017, 11:07 PM Post #11
Posts: 682 Group: Member Member #12,288 Joined: May 1, 2015	Quote: Yeah, no. Beerus still win. Ultra instinct is not an auto win like some people believe. In pure martial arts is a great advantage (like we have see with Beerus in the manga), but you can't beat everyone only with this ability or only by dodge them, especially if the opponent is more stronger, faster, skilled or if he has powerful hax abilities. It all comes back to stats. And Beerus can use self movement as well, he just need to mastered it. Also, Jiren is above to Belmod only in battle power. No he doesn't. Jiren is said to be destroyer level, or possibly above it. In the manga, they said Jiren > Belmod out right, and Belmod is easily top 3 destroyer seeing how he done just as good as job as anyone their. UI isn't a auto win, just wins against guys weaker. Beerus isn't greater then Jiren, Beerus is practically no different then any destroyer as shown in the manga as they all had their moments. For Jiren to be confirm > Belmod where none of the destroyers are shown to have barely any advantage overs others, suggest that Jiren is like what the anime said, above destroyer level. UI Goku was pushing Jiren back, same Jiren suggested to be => destroyer level. UI Goku with unlimited time wins Quote: It was never outright stated that he was stronger then all the gods. Whis even said the rumor may be true. Key words being MAY BE. None of the gods outright said he was stronger then them. The 4 exempt gods where surprised someone like him and UI goku existed in the weaker universes so we can assume someone as strong as the jiren we have seen so far exist in those universes. Like someone said you can still be stronger then someone with UI. So until we see jirens full power or until it is outright said he is stronger then the gods dont jump the gun. The destroyers don't have to say with their mouth that Jiren is stronger, when the manga itself confirmed Jiren > Belmod and Whis stating that while holding back, he is maybe above destroyer level. The rumor was a mortal that lives in a universe that a destroyer cannot beat, and that destroyer > Beerus in arm wrestling. Jiren is indeed above destroyer level. The manga, the rumor and Whis pretty much confirm this Edited by I'll Take This, Oct 26 2017, 11:08 PM.



StrenuousSpider	Oct 27 2017, 12:09 AM Post #12
Posts: 2,085 Group: Member Member #13,372 Joined: July 11, 2016 Gender Male Country United States	I'll Take This Oct 26 2017, 11:07 PM Quote: Yeah, no. Beerus still win. Ultra instinct is not an auto win like some people believe. In pure martial arts is a great advantage (like we have see with Beerus in the manga), but you can't beat everyone only with this ability or only by dodge them, especially if the opponent is more stronger, faster, skilled or if he has powerful hax abilities. It all comes back to stats. And Beerus can use self movement as well, he just need to mastered it. Also, Jiren is above to Belmod only in battle power. No he doesn't. Jiren is said to be destroyer level, or possibly above it. In the manga, they said Jiren > Belmod out right, and Belmod is easily top 3 destroyer seeing how he done just as good as job as anyone their. UI isn't a auto win, just wins against guys weaker. Beerus isn't greater then Jiren, Beerus is practically no different then any destroyer as shown in the manga as they all had their moments. For Jiren to be confirm > Belmod where none of the destroyers are shown to have barely any advantage overs others, suggest that Jiren is like what the anime said, above destroyer level. UI Goku was pushing Jiren back, same Jiren suggested to be => destroyer level. UI Goku with unlimited time wins Quote: It was never outright stated that he was stronger then all the gods. Whis even said the rumor may be true. Key words being MAY BE. None of the gods outright said he was stronger then them. The 4 exempt gods where surprised someone like him and UI goku existed in the weaker universes so we can assume someone as strong as the jiren we have seen so far exist in those universes. Like someone said you can still be stronger then someone with UI. So until we see jirens full power or until it is outright said he is stronger then the gods dont jump the gun. The destroyers don't have to say with their mouth that Jiren is stronger, when the manga itself confirmed Jiren > Belmod and Whis stating that while holding back, he is maybe above destroyer level. The rumor was a mortal that lives in a universe that a destroyer cannot beat, and that destroyer > Beerus in arm wrestling. Jiren is indeed above destroyer level. The manga, the rumor and Whis pretty much confirm this Jiren > U11 god what dosw that prove that he is in the realm of the Gods. Dose not mean he is stronger then Beerus or Quintela i can arguably say U11 god is one of the weaker gods as he had to play dead so the other gods beat themselves into submission. While i think he can beat a beaten up beerus and Quintela he is not beating them at 100%. Like whis said the rumor may be true again this dose not prove he is above all gods. Like i said key words MAY BE which implies uncertainty. As well as the 4 gods being surprised someone like him exist in the weaker universes which implies they have people to the same level as jiren and i doubt there are more then 1 person stronger then the gods. And we have at least 4 mentioned people at jirens current level. And no one knows how hard jiren was fighting goku so we dont know if he was 10% 20% 30% ect or at 100% when fighting UI goku. Jist that there are others on that level of power. Also i went into the manga a bit there because you did. But try to keep it to manga or anime dont use manga to justify something in the anime and vice versa Edited by StrenuousSpider, Oct 27 2017, 12:12 AM.



I'll Take This	Oct 27 2017, 02:42 AM Post #13
Posts: 682 Group: Member Member #12,288 Joined: May 1, 2015	Quote: Jiren > U11 god what dosw that prove that he is in the realm of the Gods. Dose not mean he is stronger then Beerus or Quintela i can arguably say U11 god is one of the weaker gods as he had to play dead so the other gods beat themselves into submission. While i think he can beat a beaten up beerus and Quintela he is not beating them at 100%. Belmod honestly is the most impressive of the bunch, he took destroyers attacks and still came out without a scratch like he did with Liquirr attack and didn't need to be healed, where other destroyers where getting injured heavily from others attacks and threatened by them multiple times. Belmod is easily top 3, if not the strongest destroyer. Quote: Like whis said the rumor may be true again this dose not prove he is above all gods. Like i said key words MAY BE which implies uncertainty. As well as the 4 gods being surprised someone like him exist in the weaker universes which implies they have people to the same level as jiren and i doubt there are more then 1 person stronger then the gods. And we have at least 4 mentioned people at jirens current level. And no one knows how hard jiren was fighting goku so we dont know if he was 10% 20% 30% ect or at 100% when fighting UI goku. Jist that there are others on that level of power. It does, Whis said the rumor was true, making Jiren > Destroyer level since the whole rumor to begin with was a mortal that a destroyer cannot defeat, and that destroyer > Beerus. And that doesn't imply anything, whether other universes have people stronger then a destroyer is unknown, nothing was stated, can't rely on assumptions here. Jiren was said to be far from full power, probably gonna guess 20 or 30%, or maybe 50%. Quote: Also i went into the manga a bit there because you did. But try to keep it to manga or anime dont use manga to justify something in the anime and vice versa Going into the manga is honestly the best scaling we got, but the manga and anime made no difference with Jiren power.



StrenuousSpider	Oct 27 2017, 03:00 AM Post #14
Posts: 2,085 Group: Member Member #13,372 Joined: July 11, 2016 Gender Male Country United States	Whis said the rumor May Be true not that it is why is that so hard to understand. And no manga and anime are separate cant use one for the other simple as that. Taking a hit from a seriously injured liquor is far from impressive. He did not need healing because frankly most of the spot light was on the other gods and this so called tanking feat people are taking at face value. Look if he was stronger then them all why pretend to be hurt why not just go and make quick work of a injured beerus and Quintela unless he is not one of the stronger GoD. Why not just run through the blast and smash liquor. Unless he used it to trick the others that he was taken out to save his strength to take out them when weakend seems like a vary trickster god like thing to do no?



I'll Take This	Oct 28 2017, 12:57 AM Post #15
Posts: 682 Group: Member Member #12,288 Joined: May 1, 2015	Quote: Whis said the rumor May Be true not that it is why is that so hard to understand. And no manga and anime are separate cant use one for the other simple as that. If the rumor may be true then Jiren is obviously presenting power higher then that of a destroyer for him to even think it can be true. He already said it's like a destroyer, maybe possibly above it. Quote: Taking a hit from a seriously injured liquor is far from impressive. How the hell isn't it ? every destroyer attack literally made others bleed or threatened them, Belmod got hit with Liquor attack and didn't come out without a scratch. His the only destroyer to come out without a scratch. Quote: He did not need healing because frankly most of the spot light was on the other gods and this so called tanking feat people are taking at face value. Look if he was stronger then them all why pretend to be hurt why not just go and make quick work of a injured beerus and Quintela unless he is not one of the stronger GoD. Why not just run through the blast and smash liquor. Unless he used it to trick the others that he was taken out to save his strength to take out them when weakend seems like a vary trickster god like thing to do no? Your arguments are simply "why not this, why not that". He already threatened all the destroyers and lifted them all at once, and threaten to kill all of them, including Quintilla and Beerus, yet a fresh Belmod won't beat a injured Quintilla and Beerus is ridiculous according to you. Him taking Liquor blast without a scratch already shows he is possibly the strongest, since everything the other destroyers had done threaten every destroyers lives, yet Belmod came out without a scratch. If Jiren > Belmod, then he is stronger then every destroyer one on one. Their is no way Belmod is one of the weakest destroyers when he was the most impressive of the bunch. Edited by I'll Take This, Oct 28 2017, 12:59 AM.



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