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| + Ssj3vegito96 | Oct 19 2017, 03:41 AM Post #1 |
 
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In chapter 26 beerus says he can't kill immortals, although him and whis still have "something" that takes care of them that's better than the mafuba. But goku almost erased merged zamasu who is immortal. So what does beerus mean? I know there are leaks out for the new chapter but please don't mention them unless they're in a spoiler Edited by Ssj3vegito96, Oct 19 2017, 03:42 AM.
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| Evil Vegeta | Oct 19 2017, 03:45 AM Post #2 |
 
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I don't think Goku's Hakai would've been enough to finish Zamasu off. I know it looked that way, but I believe Beerus's statement pretty much tells us it wouldn't have been enough. He would've likely just regenerated or something. |
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| + Pyrus | Oct 19 2017, 05:36 AM Post #3 |
 
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No. It probably can't bypass the immortality at its base level, no matter how accomplished it appears on the surface. |
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| Thiln | Oct 19 2017, 02:16 PM Post #4 |
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I was never of the opinion that immortality as we know it in Dragon Ball could absolutely guarantee survival against particular types of attacks. Zamasu's immortality in the anime seemed to come with some kind of nonconductive resistance to ki. I don't take that to believe that a no limits fallacy interpretation is in order though. If the likes of Daishinkan or Whis were to attempt to attack him then I suspect that would prove sufficient in obliterating him. Why else would Zamasu have felt it necessary to fuse with Black in the manga when Vegeta's allegations of killing them both would prove to be hollow? Just wait Vegeta and Goku out for them to deplete their stamina before pouncing. Moreover, Vegetto's confidence in wiping Zamasu (merged) out would not have been valid if it couldn't have been accomplished. Anime Zamasu seems questionable in that his physical body was destroyed but his essence survived. I would respond with the assertion that we never did see this iteration of Zamasu get challenged anyone of comparable or higher calibre. If Jiren were to blast him then I suspect that would have obliterated the essence. If those like the Ghost Usher who should technically be a spiritual being get killed by Buu then I don't see why the same principle couldn't apply to Zamasu's essence. Hakai should be able to kill other immortals such as Roshi, Buu, and Gero. I'm not sure why the same wouldn't apply to Zamasu when he was demonstrably shown to be disintegrating before resorting to hostage ultimatums in order to save himself from what appeared to be a certain death. According to Beerus it wouldn't, for whatever reason. |
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| + Ssj3vegito96 | Oct 19 2017, 02:37 PM Post #5 |
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I think the reason why goku's hakai was going to work was because of vegeta's explaination of how zamasu was vulnerable for a little bit |
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| + Clearin | Oct 19 2017, 02:47 PM Post #6 |
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Beerus' technique that is better than the mafuba is likely the technique he used to seal Elder Kaioshin. |
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| Zorcman | Oct 19 2017, 03:16 PM Post #7 |
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Yeah, in the RAW Beerus outright states he can't kill immortals (the Viz version mistranslated that to "gods" when he killed the non-immortal Zamasu [a god]). Its likely something only Zeno and maybe the GP can do. |
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| EMIYA | Oct 19 2017, 05:41 PM Post #8 |
"I am the bone of my sword."
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I'd assume that while Hakai would destroy the physical body, it wouldn't destroy the spirit. A normal person when killed would end up going to the afterlife but an Immortal, would continue to exist in the rational realm as essentially a disembodied spirit. Here's the problem with that though, at least in the anime, Hakai is noted to destroy not only the body but the soul as well. It is the absolute erasure of everything. If that aspect is the same int he manga, then frankly, Beerus is full of s***. We already know Hakai can effect an immortal's body, if it can also effect the soul then it should be just as possible for Beerus to utterly erase Immortal Zamasu with Hakai. Of course I would like to say that while Anime Hakai completely erases someone, Manga Hakai seems to have a physical property of turning things into a sand like material. meaning that there is still some physical presence and that physical presence may be enough for an immortal to come back from. Edited by EMIYA, Oct 19 2017, 05:42 PM.
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| + Pyrus | Oct 19 2017, 09:20 PM Post #9 |
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I'm pretty sure they were called on it and fixed it for the physical release. |
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| superperfectnerd | Oct 19 2017, 10:15 PM Post #10 |
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Immortal is immortal in Dragon Ball, if you've wished for perpetual existence then the Dragon Balls should surely grant that. e saw Zamasu regenerate from physical damage before, perhaps all that happens is the greater the damage the longer the regen takes. Just because we saw Zamasu become the sky doesn't mean he'd never have recovered his body, we only saw 5 minutes of him before he was erased (and even that didn't necessarily get rid of him) . Perhaps upon his atomisation he realised that he could become reality itself but that doesn't mean it was impossible for him to have a physical form, it was just preferable not to as it gave the heroes no means to effectively attack. Hakai doesn't outrank a wish of imortality made on the Dragon Balls, especially the Super Dragon Balls.
Edited by superperfectnerd, Oct 19 2017, 10:16 PM.
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| jason vorhees | Oct 19 2017, 11:44 PM Post #11 |
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he can't kill true immortals probably, since there are different types of immortals
Edited by jason vorhees, Oct 19 2017, 11:44 PM.
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