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Ultra Instinct and Super Saiyan
Topic Started: Oct 17 2017, 11:05 PM (715 Views)
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Seeing as how Ultra Instinct seems to be a state of being even the Gods of Destruction can achieve, going by how it was portrayed, do you think Goku can stack Super Saiyan on top of it? I get the feeling this is going to be required to beat Jiren, given that when Jiren powered up, he was able to stop Goku in the Ultra Instinct state, granted, Goku was about to power down as he did it.
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I don't think so. I think the form is self-improving. That's what Whis indicated during the fight, at least. It'll simply get stronger and stronger as the fight goes, but there will still be a time limit.
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Oh god. Ultra Instinct Blue incoming! I can't wait to see Goku stack Kaio-Ken on top of that.

I'm more interested in seeing if Goku retained the ability to use that form at will.
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Oct 17 2017, 11:14 PM
Oh god. Ultra Instinct Blue incoming! I can't wait to see Goku stack Kaio-Ken on top of that.

I'm more interested in seeing if Goku retained the ability to use that form at will.
Maybe we'll get the infamous Super Saiyan White :O.
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Could we maybe see someone who isn't Goku or a Saiyan gain an ability like this for a change? I know it violates the established tenets of character type dominancy for the creators but it would come as a breath of fresh air for those of us who want to see someone that doesn't have transformations gain some viability once again.
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Hypothetically he probably can but the ultra instinct would fade away pretty quickly and he'd hurt himself. It was stacked on top of the spirit bomb power which was stronger than ssjb kaioken x20 but the spirit bomb power is probably a more efficient power than ssjb despite being stronger than it
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I didn't really get the impression that it was temporary, just that Goku wasn't used to it, so it faded.
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Oh god no, no more stacking forms upon forms or absorbing the power of a form in base and then stacking all forms even the absorbed form onto the new base form??? It's too convoluted.

I think it looks cool and it's nice they're tying something different but how can reacting without thinking be a 'form'? Whis can do this, when teaching Goku and Vegeta he said even Beerus hasn't mastered it and Whis is the one teaching them it, so he must be able to do it and yet we've not seen him with that aura. You'd think he'd show them it. I thought he was just saying this movement will make them better martial artists, not make them literally have more power?

It's also not species specific? So what? If a regular human was suddenly able to tap into this would they be as strong as Goku? If Freeza and Piccolo are above base Goku and they acquire this 'form', would they be stronger than a saiyan with it?

Trust Dragon Ball to take a concept of martial arts technique, moving without strenuous tension and pressure and make it a literal power boost form...what?
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