Pyrus

Oct 15 2017, 11:23 PM

I'll try to break this down into rounds so it's easier for me to understand.

Round 1: SSJB Goku vs. Jiren
→The two clashed in a close quarters brawl, but if you notice, Jiren's hits were connecting and causing pain while Goku's hits were all blocked. Eventually, Goku was getting tossed around like a rag doll.
Round 2: SSJB Goku (KKx10) vs. Jiren
→This began when Goku activated Kaio-Ken the first time, which I'm going to assume was a x10. It allowed Goku to break free of Jiren's grip, but Jiren still blocked the following kick and threw Goku away. Goku managed to surprise Jiren with a Kamehameha, but Jiren dodged and started pursuing again. Goku attempted a Kaio-Ken x10 attack yet again, but Jiren immediately countered and sent Goku into the ground. The two then clashed again similar to round 1, with the same outcome of Goku being overwhelmed. Then Jiren made Goku his prison b***.
Round 3: SSJB Goku (KKx20) vs. Jiren
→Bah gawd, this was a stomp. Jiren stopped Goku with his eyes and then attacked him multiple times without him (or Vegeta) even seeing what happened. Goku was visibly pained after this, and admitted things were bad if Kaio-Ken x20 had no effect.
Round 4: Genki Dama vs. Jiren
→Jiren with one hand effortlessly pushed back the Genki Dama, despite Goku having the necessary stamina to launch it. Goku went Blue and caused a stalemate until Jiren made use of his OTHER HAND (when did he ever have 2 hands before?), pushing the bomb back easily again. Goku whipped out Kaio-Ken x10 and was struggling intensely to hold the bomb at bay. Finally, with Kaio-Ken x20, Goku was able to send the bomb back in Jiren's direction. With a roar, Jiren then upped his effort and returned the bomb to Goku—who tried in vain to hold it back—to end their pre-UTI encounter.
Round 5: UTI Goku vs. Jiren
→The fight was pretty even. Both appeared to increase their effort at the end, but Goku managed to land a knee to Jiren's gut and blast him to the ground, although Jiren was ultimately unharmed. Jiren stopped Goku's full power final charge with one hand, but he had an aura up, suggesting further increased output. Of course, this was all for naught, since we learned from Whis that Jiren was still heavily suppressed, and Jiren wasn't looking any worse for the wear once Ultra Temporary Instinct wore off for Goku, as well as his general apathy once it was all said and done. After watching this again, I would give Goku the slight edge here. It's interesting to note that it was also stated Goku was increasing his efficiency while the fight was going on, hitting harder and with sharper movements after each block, perhaps indicating Goku simply improved enough to overcome Jiren's current output.

As for the Hit fight...

Round 1
→Hit's attacks were blocked, but he was also able to dodge and block Jiren's attacks, at one point surprising Jiren with the afterimage-type thing he was doing (was that the Time Skip?). The Zenos said Hit was really strong too, for what it's worth.
Round 2: Spamming Time Skips?
→The introduction of the separate space was useless against Jiren, who was still able to detect Hit's movements and counter. I counted after Whis and Champa's exchange, and Hit used the SP technique six times. Out of those six, Jiren countered all of them, but Hit was able to block once. Hit used the SP technique a further four times (my counting may be off) and was batted away each time. It was said Jiren could see through Hit's movements, and he claimed Hit was wasting his time, but Cabba noted Hit was making sure to block Jiren's hits for...some reason. I don't know.
Round 3: The Time Cage
→The dab that initiated the Time Cage sent Jiren reeling back, but Jiren called it futile anyway. Jiren broke out of the Time Cage and then proceeded to easily knock the s*** out of Hit and eliminate him.

After watching all of that, I very much doubt Hit is anywhere near Jiren's full power. Hit did OK, but he was never able to land an actual attack on Jiren besides the one punch that started the Time Cage, which Jiren powered out of anyway. Judging by Jiren's words, he never considered Hit a challenge, calling his attacks a waste of time, and saying his job of winning for U6 was rubbish. Hit defended well due to his abilities, but power-wise, he wasn't up to snuff. That's not to say Goku did any better even with Kaio-Ken x20 Blue, but I believe the emphasis was put on Hit's abilities being countered by Jiren that was impressive, not Hit being this awesome powerhouse on his own. The Time Cage would probably work really well on Goku, though.

Amerson26

Oct 16 2017, 02:38 AM

Pyrus

Oct 15 2017, 11:23 PM

I'll try to break this down into rounds so it's easier for me to understand.

Round 1: SSJB Goku vs. Jiren
→The two clashed in a close quarters brawl, but if you notice, Jiren's hits were connecting and causing pain while Goku's hits were all blocked. Eventually, Goku was getting tossed around like a rag doll.
Round 2: SSJB Goku (KKx10) vs. Jiren
→This began when Goku activated Kaio-Ken the first time, which I'm going to assume was a x10. It allowed Goku to break free of Jiren's grip, but Jiren still blocked the following kick and threw Goku away. Goku managed to surprise Jiren with a Kamehameha, but Jiren dodged and started pursuing again. Goku attempted a Kaio-Ken x10 attack yet again, but Jiren immediately countered and sent Goku into the ground. The two then clashed again similar to round 1, with the same outcome of Goku being overwhelmed. Then Jiren made Goku his prison b***.
Round 3: SSJB Goku (KKx20) vs. Jiren
→Bah gawd, this was a stomp. Jiren stopped Goku with his eyes and then attacked him multiple times without him (or Vegeta) even seeing what happened. Goku was visibly pained after this, and admitted things were bad if Kaio-Ken x20 had no effect.
Round 4: Genki Dama vs. Jiren
→Jiren with one hand effortlessly pushed back the Genki Dama, despite Goku having the necessary stamina to launch it. Goku went Blue and caused a stalemate until Jiren made use of his OTHER HAND (when did he ever have 2 hands before?), pushing the bomb back easily again. Goku whipped out Kaio-Ken x10 and was struggling intensely to hold the bomb at bay. Finally, with Kaio-Ken x20, Goku was able to send the bomb back in Jiren's direction. With a roar, Jiren then upped his effort and returned the bomb to Goku—who tried in vain to hold it back—to end their pre-UTI encounter.
Round 5: UTI Goku vs. Jiren
→The fight was pretty even. Both appeared to increase their effort at the end, but Goku managed to land a knee to Jiren's gut and blast him to the ground, although Jiren was ultimately unharmed. Jiren stopped Goku's full power final charge with one hand, but he had an aura up, suggesting further increased output. Of course, this was all for naught, since we learned from Whis that Jiren was still heavily suppressed, and Jiren wasn't looking any worse for the wear once Ultra Temporary Instinct wore off for Goku, as well as his general apathy once it was all said and done. After watching this again, I would give Goku the slight edge here. It's interesting to note that it was also stated Goku was increasing his efficiency while the fight was going on, hitting harder and with sharper movements after each block, perhaps indicating Goku simply improved enough to overcome Jiren's current output.

As for the Hit fight...

Round 1
→Hit's attacks were blocked, but he was also able to dodge and block Jiren's attacks, at one point surprising Jiren with the afterimage-type thing he was doing (was that the Time Skip?). The Zenos said Hit was really strong too, for what it's worth.
Round 2: Spamming Time Skips?
→The introduction of the separate space was useless against Jiren, who was still able to detect Hit's movements and counter. I counted after Whis and Champa's exchange, and Hit used the SP technique six times. Out of those six, Jiren countered all of them, but Hit was able to block once. Hit used the SP technique a further four times (my counting may be off) and was batted away each time. It was said Jiren could see through Hit's movements, and he claimed Hit was wasting his time, but Cabba noted Hit was making sure to block Jiren's hits for...some reason. I don't know.
Round 3: The Time Cage
→The dab that initiated the Time Cage sent Jiren reeling back, but Jiren called it futile anyway. Jiren broke out of the Time Cage and then proceeded to easily knock the s*** out of Hit and eliminate him.

After watching all of that, I very much doubt Hit is anywhere near Jiren's full power. Hit did OK, but he was never able to land an actual attack on Jiren besides the one punch that started the Time Cage, which Jiren powered out of anyway. Judging by Jiren's words, he never considered Hit a challenge, calling his attacks a waste of time, and saying his job of winning for U6 was rubbish. Hit defended well due to his abilities, but power-wise, he wasn't up to snuff. That's not to say Goku did any better even with Kaio-Ken x20 Blue, but I believe the emphasis was put on Hit's abilities being countered by Jiren that was impressive, not Hit being this awesome powerhouse on his own. The Time Cage would probably work really well on Goku, though.

Hit just needed a bit more power. That cage of time seems like a God tir move. Jiren call hits attack rubbish but yet he struggled to get out hit cage of time. Some may say it's not impressive but to hold someone like jiren still like that is very impressive. I find that move more impressively then the spirit bomb. Why? Because he was able to perform that on his own and hold someone that way stronger then him. The spirit goku used had to take energy from other and jiren let him use it. So hit >KKx20 goku

GeeksetPodcast

Oct 16 2017, 02:43 AM

Hit couldn't have been that far off power wise, one he blocked a good amount of Jiren's attacks, he was also testing and waiting for his moment to strike and was able to stop Jiren. Now yes he was overpowered eventually, but most fighters wouldn't have even got that far.