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The cultural understanding shift
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Rockman	Sep 20 2017, 01:32 PM Post #1
hoighty-toighty Posts: 11,070 Group: Guardian Member #48 Joined: December 17, 2004 Gender Male Country United States What Browser do you use? Firefox, when it isn't crashing.	I'd like to make an observation that people who were born before 1970 are typically and historically sheltered in their thoughts and understanding of the world. To include higher levels of racism, sexism, conservatism, and a lack of cultural competency. I attribute the reason of this to many different things. Videocassette tapes, the emergence of cheap video technology, the boom of mass media, the internet, travel expense decreases, and a continued mixing of different ethnics around the world. It is a common observation that people who live in small towns in the US, that rarely leave their bubble, tend to hold opinions of the world that are inclusive to the above statements. It is also a fact that the people mentioned, also tend have greater age populations of 50 and over. Likewise, you'll notice that people 40 and younger, tend to be way more liberal. We grew up being exposed to the world unlike our parents. You get on DBZF and there are many people of different backgrounds here. Just listening to what they say opens our minds unlike the aforementioned age group. What do you think?
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~~Doggo Champion 2k17~~	Sep 20 2017, 01:47 PM Post #2
Posts: 7,931 Group: GTFO Member #6,380 Joined: June 20, 2011 Country United States Favourite Anime here comes What Browser do you use? o shit waddup! Favourite Manga dat boi	I think it can be true in a general sense, but it varies too much depending on the individual to really make any sweeping statements. For people over 60, yeah, definitely. You rarely see a person that old rallying behind extremely liberal ideas, supporting gay marriage and abortion, or stepping out of religion. They also (generally) don't know much about the internet or the world outside their own backyard. With people under 60, though, you can easily find someone who will identify with "younger" ideas and thought processes. My parents are rather open-minded and liberal in their thinking compared to my grandparents. They don't take full advantage of the internet, but they know quite a bit about other states, other countries, etc. Neither are racist or sexist in the slightest. My mom is pro-choice, pro-gay marriage, pro-modern civil rights (whatever you wanna call it), etc. They also believe in some form of evolution and global warming despite not growing up with the internet, which speaks to their open-mindedness. Granted, they're in their mid-forties, so right above the line that you refer to. Even two of my grandmothers are somewhat liberal and voted for Hillary Clinton in the last election. I can't name a single person in my family who is racist or sexist, and few are anti-gay to the point that it becomes hateful. None of them would ever change their mind about religion and will die that way because that's just how they grew up, but racism, sexism, open-mindedness, etc. toward other issues can vary so much depending on what your family is like. Of course each generation is going to be vastly different from the next, but there will never be walls between us that we can't break down. That's just not how we work.



+ Steve	Sep 20 2017, 07:30 PM Post #3
Greetings. I will be your waifu this season. Posts: 19,471 Group: Legend Member #5,710 Joined: February 7, 2011 Gender Male Country United Kingdom Favourite Anime Hunter x Hunter(2011) What Browser do you use? Mozilla Firefox Favourite Manga Berserk all day erry day	I notice this a lot, whenever people are openly racist/sexist/... Is there another word besides homophobic? This is besides the point but that word annoys me, kind of dumb to have a word that means scared of them. We don't claim racists are scared of whatever race they dislike, they're just a***. Maybe it can just fall under sexism. Anyway yeah anyone who falls in these groups very often seems to be older or brought up by parents of the same group. Discounting silly children that just want to sound cool. My stepdad is/was pretty racist and against homosexuality and I'd hear racial slurs a lot as well as generally be talked down to, often he'd show me topless women in the newspaper and I'd look away prompting him to be like "What, are you gay?" he'd do this a lot, as if to try make sure I didn't actually turn out to be gay. So I grew up thinking being gay and black are bad things for quite a while and had generally negative perceptions about it out of ignorance. Pretty sure that was something he inherited from his parents since they're kind of dickheads. Upon the expansion of the internet(or rather, my access to it) my views quickly changed and I just don't even care any more. Seems like a lot of older people just can't let go of the things ingrained in them. Though it's understandable in some cases, like if someone had a bad experience as a child with a member of a certain race, letting go of hatred born from something like that definitely isn't easy. But obviously in most cases it's just s*ty upbringing/societal influence that caused people to be that way. Doesn't seem to stick so much with newer generations, access to various media definitely helps. Without it I'm pretty sure I'd still be the same as years ago because where I live there's like 1 full on black person per every 3000 people at best, maybe even less than that. Not so much the same with gay people but still not many are open about it. To memory I only know of...like 4 gay guys and a handful of lesbians/bisexuals. Perhaps not so coincidentally, almost all of those are under 30 years old. If crowds aren't able to mingle in some way they're not likely to accept each other so well, they only have what other people have told them and how they perceive that information to go by.
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* Yu Narukami	Sep 20 2017, 07:39 PM Post #4
Izanagi! Posts: 12,330 Group: Retired Staff Member #6,446 Joined: July 3, 2011 Gender Not Specified Country None	In the case of older people seeming to align more with older and more bigoted views, I'd agree. However, I think it's more a case of how open people are about it. In society when their age group were growing up and taking the place of the generation before them, such views weren't as demonised in society. Openly expressing those views was more acceptable and, when it came to certain situations, was the norm. In the society we live in now with its more liberal views, where everything is interconnected and everything people have said in public has some sort of record somewhere, a lot more people are inclined to keep their opinions to themselves, or share them in a close, trusted group where they know society won't judge them for them. So, rather than older generations holding these views at a greater rate than more recent generations, I agree, but I don't think the difference is as big as some make it out to be (I've no doubt younger people still hold those views, but simply don't express them in situations where many people would see them/learn that they hold them). The divide, to me, seems to be how people treat expressing their views.



+ Steve	Sep 20 2017, 09:22 PM Post #5
Greetings. I will be your waifu this season. Posts: 19,471 Group: Legend Member #5,710 Joined: February 7, 2011 Gender Male Country United Kingdom Favourite Anime Hunter x Hunter(2011) What Browser do you use? Mozilla Firefox Favourite Manga Berserk all day erry day	I dunno about that really, there's plenty of places of anonymity on the internet and they're filled with racism, you can tell that it's largely from younger folk but you can also tell that it's most likely not true hatred, like they wouldn't genuinely advocate the killing off ethnic minorities any more than "Kill yourself" comments are truly genuine and not just lame tough talk. There's no real reason for these people to hold back on anonymous message boards and such. I'd say the rates are definitely way different because it's much easier for newer generations to find something is misinformation and/or connect with other people from other cultures/lifestyles. Someone born 70 years ago might have been taught that black people are all thieves and they have no reason not to trust their elders and no way to find that's false unless they specifically think their elders are wrong for some reason. But someone born 12 years ago sees black people accomplishing great things all over the internet/news. It's much more difficult to confine a child to your s***ty beliefs these days, not so casually either, you'd have to have the express intention of making them like you to manage.
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* Yu Narukami	Sep 20 2017, 09:43 PM Post #6
Izanagi! Posts: 12,330 Group: Retired Staff Member #6,446 Joined: July 3, 2011 Gender Not Specified Country None	You can never know, though. Anonymity lets people express their true feelings, and you can't pass any of it off as 'not true hatred', because they'd have to have some level of hatred to consider saying those things, even anonymously online. You put waaaaaaaaaaaay too much faith in people's ability to discern misinformation and fake news. Most people don't take enough interest in any specific event to search it up on multiple, varied news sources in order to confirm its veracity.



Mc Esse	Oct 8 2017, 04:18 AM Post #7
Posts: 2,273 Group: Member Member #4,041 Joined: March 21, 2009 Favourite Anime Jersey Shore What Browser do you use? FF Favourite Manga Batman	Conservatives value values not skin color. Values like pro- gun, pro-life and small government.



Rockman	Oct 8 2017, 03:24 PM Post #8
hoighty-toighty Posts: 11,070 Group: Guardian Member #48 Joined: December 17, 2004 Gender Male Country United States What Browser do you use? Firefox, when it isn't crashing.	Mc Esse Oct 8 2017, 04:18 AM Conservatives value values not skin color. Values like pro- gun, pro-life and small government. Hey buddy. Long time no see. So you're saying they aren't progressive?
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Mc Esse	Oct 8 2017, 05:10 PM Post #9
Posts: 2,273 Group: Member Member #4,041 Joined: March 21, 2009 Favourite Anime Jersey Shore What Browser do you use? FF Favourite Manga Batman	Yes sir. They are not progressive, they are conservative. A handful of white people in previous elections had voted for barrack Obama, make that a lot of white people. Those same people from various small towns voted for and tipped the scale in Trumps' favour last year, and those people are not racists. And hey buddy nice speaking to ya Edited by Mc Esse, Oct 8 2017, 05:10 PM.



Rockman	Oct 8 2017, 06:27 PM Post #10
hoighty-toighty Posts: 11,070 Group: Guardian Member #48 Joined: December 17, 2004 Gender Male Country United States What Browser do you use? Firefox, when it isn't crashing.	Mc Esse Oct 8 2017, 05:10 PM Yes sir. They are not progressive, they are conservative. A handful of white people in previous elections had voted for barrack Obama, make that a lot of white people. Those same people from various small towns voted for and tipped the scale in Trumps' favour last year, and those people are not racists. And hey buddy nice speaking to ya What do you think it is that makes living in a metropolis cause people to be way more progressive than people from smaller cities? Especially older people?
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Mc Esse	Oct 8 2017, 07:55 PM Post #11
Posts: 2,273 Group: Member Member #4,041 Joined: March 21, 2009 Favourite Anime Jersey Shore What Browser do you use? FF Favourite Manga Batman	Rockman Oct 8 2017, 06:27 PM Mc Esse Oct 8 2017, 05:10 PM Yes sir. They are not progressive, they are conservative. A handful of white people in previous elections had voted for barrack Obama, make that a lot of white people. Those same people from various small towns voted for and tipped the scale in Trumps' favour last year, and those people are not racists. And hey buddy nice speaking to ya What do you think it is that makes living in a metropolis cause people to be way more progressive than people from smaller cities? Especially older people? Well for one we can agree that conservatives are pro- small government. In the country chances are you manage your own drinking water, example. Right? If the well breaks you'll fix it yourself. Self-suffiency. In the country the nearest clinic might be 2 hours away so if you have the flu you'll tough it out. Basically these people have conservative attitudes towards these issues. Comes With the territory right City dwellers want the government to fix their streets because a million cars pass on them daily and wear them out more right, the government manages the tap water. And if it gets contaminated, the government takes the blame and fixes it, or should fix it. Another reason why republicans are more pro military than democrats. Is because the only thing they can't do themselves is park an armoured fighting vehicle in their driveway. Since I brought up small government. Heck the reason why the south went from a blue region to a red region was because most of the voters viewed the civil right act as an expansion of government power



Rockman	Oct 8 2017, 11:14 PM Post #12
hoighty-toighty Posts: 11,070 Group: Guardian Member #48 Joined: December 17, 2004 Gender Male Country United States What Browser do you use? Firefox, when it isn't crashing.	Quote: Well for one we can agree that conservatives are pro- small government. In the country chances are you manage your own drinking water, example. Right? If the well breaks you'll fix it yourself. Self-suffiency. In the country the nearest clinic might be 2 hours away so if you have the flu you'll tough it out. Basically these people have conservative attitudes towards these issues. Comes With the territory right City dwellers want the government to fix their streets because a million cars pass on them daily and wear them out more right, the government manages the tap water. And if it gets contaminated, the government takes the blame and fixes it, or should fix it. The subject of water has been known to backfire, and not all small rural areas have well water taps. Most like Abilene, TX, give you the ability to drill a well for use of watering your lawn, while maintaining city water for drinking purposes. Backfire in the sense of natural gas drilling and fracking. Has been known to contaminate nearby water wells and cause the water to literally be able to catch on fire. Then they get upset when the government makes no move to help fix the issue. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U01EK76Sy4A So in a sense, less government isn't always good when it comes to water. Even if you have less government, sometimes the ball is completely dropped. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flint_water_crisis Quote: Another reason why republicans are more pro military than democrats. Is because the only thing they can't do themselves is park an armoured fighting vehicle in their driveway. Republicans are typically more pro military because GOP candidates tend to make way more contributions to military benefits than democrats. They also tend to loosen gun laws, not tighten them. I know vets who have guns, and some who don't have any. Either way, they always agree that veteran benefits are terrible. Truly they are considering the pay and job that they did. But they never seem to make the jump to fix military spending to veteran benefits instead... Literally has nothing to do with parking armored vehicles, interesting that you made that jump as a reference and I laughed a little. Quote: Since I brought up small government. Heck the reason why the south went from a blue region to a red region was because most of the voters viewed the civil right act as an expansion of government power It's interesting you make no mention of Religion as being a part of the switch.
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Mc Esse	Oct 9 2017, 12:00 AM Post #13
Posts: 2,273 Group: Member Member #4,041 Joined: March 21, 2009 Favourite Anime Jersey Shore What Browser do you use? FF Favourite Manga Batman	Quote: The subject of water has been known to backfire, and not all small rural areas have well water taps. Most like Abilene, TX, give you the ability to drill a well for use of watering your lawn, while maintaining city water for drinking purposes. Backfire in the sense of natural gas drilling and fracking. Has been known to contaminate nearby water wells and cause the water to literally be able to catch on fire. Then they get upset when the government makes no move to help fix the issue. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U01EK76Sy4A So in a sense, less government isn't always good when it comes to water. Even if you have less government, sometimes the ball is completely dropped. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flint_water_crisis So we can agree country folk are more self sufficient than city folk? I'll watch the YouTube video later.. and I could use a refresher on what happened in flint. I agree smaller government isn't a great idea for water. Quote: publicans are typically more pro military because GOP candidates tend to make way more contributions to military benefits than democrats. They also tend to loosen gun laws, not tighten them. I know vets who have guns, and some who don't have any. Either way, they always agree that veteran benefits are terrible. Truly they are considering the pay and job that they did. But they never seem to make the jump to fix military spending to veteran benefits instead... Literally has nothing to do with parking armored vehicles, interesting that you made that jump as a reference and I laughed a little. Was a joke. I'll be careful with what I say in the deep discussion. I'm glad you got a chuckle out of it. Haha. Yes. Like I said conservatives value their values. The second amendment is one of them. Quote: It's interesting you make no mention of Religion as being a part of the switch . That's right, We already agreed that conservatives are against abortions. Thought that was enough.



ll DragonBallZ Fan ll	Oct 9 2017, 12:16 AM Post #14
Posts: 26 Group: Member Member #14,091 Joined: October 7, 2017 Gender Male Country United States	Rockman Sep 20 2017, 01:32 PM I'd like to make an observation that people who were born before 1970 are typically and historically sheltered in their thoughts and understanding of the world. To include higher levels of racism, sexism, conservatism, and a lack of cultural competency. I attribute the reason of this to many different things. Videocassette tapes, the emergence of cheap video technology, the boom of mass media, the internet, travel expense decreases, and a continued mixing of different ethnics around the world. It is a common observation that people who live in small towns in the US, that rarely leave their bubble, tend to hold opinions of the world that are inclusive to the above statements. It is also a fact that the people mentioned, also tend have greater age populations of 50 and over. Likewise, you'll notice that people 40 and younger, tend to be way more liberal. We grew up being exposed to the world unlike our parents. You get on DBZF and there are many people of different backgrounds here. Just listening to what they say opens our minds unlike the aforementioned age group. What do you think? I think that you are very correct. The internet and the growing interconnectedness of people, ideas, ect. is remolding our world as people are being exposed to others and their ideas outside of ones local tribe (eg. family, community, ect.). Previously, one would be indoctrinated into a certain worldview by their parents, family, school system, local community, ect. and that is essentially all they are ever being exposed to when in coming into contact with others at a surface level. However, even in previous eras (pre-1970's), one could always be exposed to an entirely different world of people and their various ideas as recorded in books with a trip to the local library. The library is an extremely powerful resource for the same reason the internet is, reading transports you into a different world and you can see the world through the eyes of another that may live and have a connection with a person that may have lived hundreds to thousands of years ago and/or on the other side of the planet. Our new modern era simply makes this process much easier, more readably accessible, and on a grander scale.
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