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| + Steve | Oct 17 2017, 10:07 PM Post #16 |
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Here's an interesting idea. What if organ donation wasn't mandatory but if you did let your loved ones organs get used, the government or whatever would help with funeral costs? That way people can respect their dead but not be crippled by the debt of an unexpected death, since not everyone has or can afford life insurance. Nor is it realistic for many, like young people. A 17 year old isn't going to have life insurance. Surely that would create a good influx of donatable organs without putting too much pressure on the system and just slowing things down. It's not really often that someone who needs a new organ needs them instantly, most people have to wait for years. |
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| * Mitas | Oct 17 2017, 10:24 PM Post #17 |
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The funeral is not for the dead though. It's for the living. Although I don't know the actual figure, I imagine the cost of a bare bones funeral/cremation probably wouldn't be considered 'crippling', and definitely wouldn't be close to the average figures people usually attach to funerals. Nobody is 'left' with enormous amounts to pay funeral-wise, they choose to pay them. |
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| * Yu Narukami | Oct 17 2017, 11:07 PM Post #18 |
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A massive influx of organs wouldn't put more pressure on the system though. If they could use the organs in a timely manner, then they would be used. If they couldn't, or there wasn't any demand at that time, they wouldn't extract them. More organs is only a positive. Regarding funeral costs, that's once again placing way too much importance on relatives of the deceased person. I wouldn't be opposed to the funeral/cremation costs being covered, but why are living relatives so important in this situation? |
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| + Steve | Oct 17 2017, 11:46 PM Post #19 |
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Why are they not? Death can be extremely traumatic and a good funeral can help people move on, especially if it's one of those particularly impactful losses like your parent or even your child. Many people are driven to suicide over the death of loved ones, they definitely need the emotional support a funeral can bring. And I still think it'd pressure the system really, maybe there's a backlog of people who need organs now but within a year that would basically be gone but the rate of death would likely stay the same. Total bulls*** numbers here but would we really need 100 organs for every 5 people that need a donation? Many would just go to waste. I'm pretty sure that generally speaking you can't just freeze organs to be used later so as good as this could be for a short while it'd still be a pretty massive waste after a while and alternatives will be available soon enough. Also this is kind of off the point but if it's mandatory then it shouldn't really be called a "donation"...they'd be seizing your organs upon death, it should probably be called what it is. |
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| * Yu Narukami | Oct 18 2017, 12:13 AM Post #20 |
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Yes, funerals can help with grief, but what help is not using the organs of the deceased person if they're needed for a transplant? They'd go to waste buried in a coffin anyway. It's not like they'll extract the organs if there's no need for them, and even if they did, it's not as if it's any worse than the organs just rotting away underground. And what about until those alternatives are available, and are just as good as actual organs? |
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| + Steve | Oct 18 2017, 01:21 AM Post #21 |
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Then people can wait? It's not even that good a solution a lot of the time anyway since your body will reject the new organs for the rest of your life, unless you desperately need something extremely critical like a new heart it's no instant fix to issues so 3D printed or grown organs using your own DNA or even just animal organs are superior solutions. I see no reason why families shouldn't have the right to their loved ones body, especially not if there's not even going to be a guarantee the organs will get used at all. In the 100 to 5 situation I mentioned there it wouldn't be very inspiring from the side of the bereaved to see their beloved carved up and then half of them just tossed in the bin because no donors needed their parts at the time or the deceased didn't have the right blood type, etc etc Why are the personal connections people have to the recently departed inherently less valuable than the donation value of anything but say the heart and lungs? If it was a case of just slotting a new organ in and everything being fine within a few weeks fair enough that's valuable but organ transplant isn't that magical unless someone is quite literally on deaths door. 3D printing is actually really far along now anyway, they've already managed to create a functioning liver using it, it just wasn't suitable for transplanting and was used for drug testing stuff. Smaller scale tissues and organs like skin can already be created so I'd imagine it's probably really just near testing stages now. |
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| * Yu Narukami | Oct 18 2017, 07:41 AM Post #22 |
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If no donors need organs at the time, they don't extract them. It's not like if you've opted in, they automatically take out your organs regardless of whether there's any call for them at the time. The dead body is going to rot in the ground anyway, and even if organs are extracted, it's not like they just leave the body cut open and exposed. You should tell people who've been waiting on lists for years for a transplant that they should just wait until 3D printing comes along enough for them to use that. When there are potentially life-changing/saving organs that aren't used because of some 'respect' to the deceased or their loved ones, nobody wins. |
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| smoochymucci | Nov 9 2017, 09:12 AM Post #23 |
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I think of it to be immoral to forcefully harvest someone's organs. It should be a voluntary thing. |
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