Should it be okay for black people to use the N word?

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Should it be okay for black people to use the N word?
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Tinny	Sep 11 2017, 01:31 PM Post #16
Posts: 6,060 Group: Super Moderator Member #12,355 Joined: May 24, 2015 Gender Not Specified Favourite Anime Silver Spoon, Fate/Zero, Legend of Galactic Heroes, Space Patrol Luluco, Psycho-pass, Miss Kobayashi What Browser do you use? Chrome, Edge Favourite Manga Wizard's Soul ~Holy War of Love~	Doggo Champion 2k17 Sep 11 2017, 12:06 PM Words are merely a combination of letters. We as humans give them meaning and power. A word only has the power that you give to it. I see no problem with anyone using the n-word with a hard r so long as they aren't using it in the same way it was used decades ago--to degrade and humiliate a black person merely because of the color of their skin. Any other use of the word in any other context is only viewed so negatively because of the magical powers we give to the word. I get what you're trying to say, but I would point out that among other things, paper money is only useful because of said "magical powers" we give to it as a societal construct. Think about it, without everyone just kind of agreeing that slips of paper are worth something, the idea of giving someone some paper, that is worth a specified amount of gold/silver/oil/other natural resource, all because you say it's totes legitimate and not a rip off and that it's really refundable for that amount of money (let's not even get into when the USA decided to leave the gold standard) is... Well I doubt you're gonna sell anyone on it and it's a bit of a miracle it got implemented at all. These things may only have power because we give them power, but the fact remains that society has given them power, and we should acknowledge that fact, and not down play simply because it is a societal construct, to not do so is quite frankly a fantasy in of itself. Maybe one day, when N----- has been entirely decoupled from it's racial implications (and it seems to be slowly going there judging from Goddess Ultimecia's experiences), then everyone can use it equally. Until then, we have to keep in mind people of different races, are not on the same playing field, and have dissimilar experiences often as a result of their race, and the reactions of other people towards it. Edited by Tinny, Sep 11 2017, 01:35 PM.
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~~Doggo Champion 2k17~~	Sep 11 2017, 01:37 PM Post #17
Posts: 7,931 Group: GTFO Member #6,380 Joined: June 20, 2011 Country United States Favourite Anime here comes What Browser do you use? o shit waddup! Favourite Manga dat boi	Copy_Ninja Sep 11 2017, 01:28 PM Doggo Champion 2k17 Sep 11 2017, 01:18 PM Faggot, lovely lady, b*, c, etc. are all words that have been used to oppress or offend people in the past. The difference here is that we now use these words playfully with friends and laugh at them, whereas we hold the n-word on some magical pedestal with yellow tape around it saying "do not cross." Don't really agree with this. "Faggot" is still a pretty offensive word, I don't think it's generally accepted that it's okay to just throw that out there. Same with c**, words like retarded etc. I mean, you can say what you want in private around your friends. What you do and don't let fly is up to you and people can draw their own lines with what their comfortable with. But what is generally accepted as okay to say in public is different and if someone knew joined a group of friends saying those kind of words, they'd be within their rights to think that's offensive. I completely agree. I would never say any of these words in a public setting, at work, or at a school because I believe in respect and professionalism. I also dress professionally, fix my hair, and try not to discuss things like politics and religion. We can't always remain in that bubble of propriety, however. I remember a decade ago there was a huge campaign to stop everyone from saying the word "retard," and peoples' usage of the word is still quite prominent. We simply cannot police others' diction. We know this from trial and error. May as well strip the words of the power they possess and move forward. I know that it takes time, though. I never said that it didn't.



+ Steve	Sep 11 2017, 03:33 PM Post #18
Greetings. I will be your waifu this season. Posts: 19,471 Group: Legend Member #5,710 Joined: February 7, 2011 Gender Male Country United Kingdom Favourite Anime Hunter x Hunter(2011) What Browser do you use? Mozilla Firefox Favourite Manga Berserk all day erry day	Quote: Yes, if we're referring to the 'softer' version (as far as I'm aware, nobody uses the 'hard r' version in a friendly manner). Your argument basically boils down to people of another ethnicity feeling 'aww, why do they get to use the word and we can't?'. Well, tough s*, really. Everybody is theoretically equal, but not everybody has gone through equal experiences. See with this I can understand why it's bad for white person to use the r version of the word, absolutely. But the a version shouldn't be so socially outlawed. Nobody who intends to offend someone on a racial level uses the a version, they always want to take a jab with the r because obviously it holds the most power as a negative word. I think it's ridiculous to treat all white people the same regardless of which they use, which tends to be what happens. If you say either you are treated as a vile racist who only means ill intent, regardless of the context in which you said it. Even people reading it from books or a script frequently get labelled racists for just uttering either. Which as far as I'm concerned is an absolutely wrong way to look at it. Quote: You could say the same about any word that a group of people finds offensive. Faggot, lovely lady, b, c, etc. are all words that have been used to oppress or offend people in the past. The difference here is that we now use these words playfully with friends and laugh at them, whereas we hold the n-word on some magical pedestal with yellow tape around it saying "do not cross." This is why I brought up women. Compared to women in some countries black people have it way easier when it comes to discrimination, all discrimination being bad obviously. There's nowhere where it's legal to specifically target black people for something horrendously negative, like the genital mutilation young girls suffer because some a* think it's dirty for women to enjoy sex and other sick f* reasons. In some places when women are on their periods they get locked away because people find them disgusting. And generally are provided no sanitary products because nobody cares about them. And then otherwise in many places women are literally just seen as baby producing sex mules and they have virtually no rights what so ever beyond being allowed to breathe of their own volition. None of this is okay but where it happens it's mostly all accepted, lawful and/or part of religious practices. Most importantly this happens today. Racism still happens, obviously but not nearly on the level it did in the 60's or before. Which is certainly relatively recent you could argue. All this s* happens to women but there's never as extreme a reaction to anything negative directed their way even though many are literally tortured for being born female. And obviously women in the first world face tons of less extreme discrimination but discrimination none the less. Often a "meh" reaction to any hatred they face, painting women as inferior can often just make you "one of the bro's" among s* groups of people, big groups. Black people have barriers for sure like being looked down on in interviews, racial profiling etc etc but I feel it should be pretty clear that women have far worse done to them currently and for muuuuch longer throughout history. But it's only racism that generates such a reaction. I respect nobody who gets extremely mad when a white person says the a form of the N word(depending on context), it's utterly ridiculous how angry it makes people compared to other things and I don't believe that everyone else should just accept that anger and apologise. It's a stupid double standard that the world is better off without. If the -a word is a term of endearment then it should be for all people unless they use it in a genuinely insulting way. I mean, if anything, not letting people say a certain word because of the colour of their skin...that is literally racism? It makes no sense that the word coming out of a white persons mouth automatically has negative intent behind it. Personally I like the word, it has a cool ring to it. It's a shame we can't all use it as a word of appreciation. As I said already, most people who genuinely intend to be racist are going to use the hard r version unless they think they're being clever and dressing up their racist intent with the -a but that kind of s* is usually pretty transparent, these people aren't smart. Edited by Steve**, Sep 11 2017, 03:35 PM.
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Bad User	Sep 11 2017, 05:34 PM Post #19
Posts: 630 Group: Member Member #13,968 Joined: July 23, 2017 Gender Other	I'm a little puzzled at how some people say it's okay to use the N word if you are black. That's basically saying that it's ok to discriminate or use discriminatory features if you are part of the target group, but not if you are outside it. Please correct me if I am wrong, I may be a little slow.



+ Havoc_Wreaker	Sep 11 2017, 06:22 PM Post #20
Popcorn Posts: 9,904 Group: Elite Member Member #5,870 Joined: March 19, 2011 Gender Other Country Canada	Bad User Sep 11 2017, 05:34 PM I'm a little puzzled at how some people say it's okay to use the N word if you are black. That's basically saying that it's ok to discriminate or use discriminatory features if you are part of the target group, but not if you are outside it. Please correct me if I am wrong, I may be a little slow. Certain groups own or have/are taking back derogatory words. Black people call other black people the n word Gay people call other people "faggot" and gay out of context Etc..



+ Steve	Sep 11 2017, 07:56 PM Post #21
Greetings. I will be your waifu this season. Posts: 19,471 Group: Legend Member #5,710 Joined: February 7, 2011 Gender Male Country United Kingdom Favourite Anime Hunter x Hunter(2011) What Browser do you use? Mozilla Firefox Favourite Manga Berserk all day erry day	Havoc_Wreaker Sep 11 2017, 06:22 PM Certain groups own or have/are taking back derogatory words. Black people call other black people the n word Gay people call other people "faggot" and gay out of context Etc.. I've never heard of that, I've heard people say queer but that word is a lot less harsh and negative sounding anyway so that's pretty easy to turn in to something positive. Faggot is a pretty abrupt and harsh word, much like the hard r N word. I think if you want to have a term of endearment for a group of people, then everyone should be allowed to use it for that purpose. Words don't just suddenly change meaning when someone else says them, the people who decide that literally build this controversy themselves because they're dictating that everyone who says a thing means them harm. Even if they deem that word okay for them to say. It's extremely silly really. Letting everyone use terms of endearment for each group just makes those groups respect each other more...instead of just being on edge and ready to fire off at anyone, it serves no purpose other than creating conflict which is never good.
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