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Rattle snake
Topic Started: Sep 6 2017, 03:24 AM (710 Views)
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With the very small description you gave, I doubt it, and like I said, plenty of other things could've been done here.

I don't know where you live, so I don't have an image of how your backyard and your neighbours' are, but tossing the snake somewhere else by putting it in an empty bucket or trash can with a stick or broom would've been a better solution (catching a snake is not hard at all, especially one that is only three feet in length). It had to come from somewhere in the wild, and if you're close to a forest or swamp or something, just toss it there.
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There's a mountain nearby but there's hiking trails throughout it and homes near it. There's houses being built in that area too

I was wondering if maybe it came to closer to us since they are building there?

We probably could've caught it but I'm honestly not willing to just try catching a rattlesnake as the first snake I've ever caught. That's not smart and safe. I've got no experience or knowledge on how to do that that right way
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Unexperienced as you may be, you could've posted about it so that we could help you out (in your defense, it could've taken a while for some of us).

It's not hard, even putting a blanket over the snake will calm it down, and then, as it's blind, you can catch it by the head and it'll be unable to bite you. You'll need something to put it in, but most importantly you'll have to keep its eyes closed with something, anything, so that it doesn't know where you are, and so that it can't attack you. This works with other reptiles, such as crocodiles and komodo dragons, only that snakes aren't quite as beefy nor will they break bone when they bite.

So yeah, bag, blanket, bucket, broom... Certain utensils that might help you out, just in case for the next time it happens, assuming it does, if they're making houses in the nearby mountains. But hey, keeping a snake ain't that bad. It eats all the rats and bugs you may have in your backyard. It's not gonna try to eat something that can't fit through its mouth though, and I'm sure you're far from any areas that have large constrictors in them.
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What if the snake had been released/let go and proceeded to bite a child nearby? It doesn't matter how cute or cool they are, they're dangerous and a threat to people, and they have to be dealt with accordingly. It's a sad state of affairs, but it's the safest and best option.

As for my experience, I used to own a corn snake, it was super cool. I saw a slow worm in the garden when I was cutting the grass the other week too.
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It's convenient to say how we should have dealt with a dangerous Snek when you don't live in an area with this exact breed. The time I was almost bit by one was when I was walking down a wooden framed stair case out of a house. It was agitated by our movement and was seeking shelter under the stairs from the sun.
You wouldn't expect to have to wear snake chaps everywhere you go out there. We did when we walked around the property in tall grass. To prevent it we put mesh wire over the open slots in the stairs.

I don't have a problem with other snakes, and I even don't have a problem with what we call cottonmouth snakes that live near water. They don't aggressively attack you when you walk by them and they usually hide when they sense movement. But rattlesnakes are a damn nuisance to humans and they can seriously f*** your day up.

I came across one of these little guys at my house in the suburbs. It had gotten into the garage when I opened it. I used a broom to entice it to leave the garage. I could have killed it, but I knew what it was so I didn't.
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^^^^

That is the most adorable snek I ever did see.

I agree with Bryan though. When you live in the southern US, you see sneks all the time--dangerous ones. And spidos, too. Brown recluse, black widow, you name it. I love all animals and wouldn't harm a snake unless I had to (or couldn't identify it), but I understand that most people wouldn't know a rattlesnake or cottonmouth from a non-venomous species. Do what you can to stay safe. We do much worse things to animals anyway.
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Sep 7 2017, 11:51 AM
What if the snake had been released/let go and proceeded to bite a child nearby?


Well, clearly, you move it far from civilization. You don't go and release snakes in the middle of the streets, do you? And why would a venomous snake, even one that was big enough to swallow a child, attack something that big anyway? It's not stupid, it's not gonna attack something that outweighs it by A LOT, only constrictors do that. And the child, whatever the age, wouldn't be left alone in the backyard where rats can go around, an even older child wouldn't attack something that looks like this.

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It doesn't matter how cute or cool they are, they're dangerous and a threat to people, and they have to be dealt with accordingly.


No, no they don't, like I said, people don't do this with snakes that are way more dangerous than this one in less technologically advanced places, and that's an example those firefighters could've taken because I'm pretty sure the rattle snake wouldn't have been able to bite through their suits, assuming they're wearing the ones I'm thinking of.

It's not a freaking alligator stuck in your pool, it can be moved and it'll go away, and heck this can be done with the alligator as well. Unless you're telling me they kill alligators that enter your properties as well?

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It's convenient to say how we should have dealt with a dangerous Snek when you don't live in an area with this exact breed.


Snakes don't behave all that differently. Some are more dangerous than others for sure, but given the breed I've dealt with, which is fairly more agressive than what I've read about pit vipers, and many other snakes 'cause they're interesting animals, I think I've got a pretty good idea of how to handle some of them. It's an easy task, one that has been personally explained to me before, and I live in a country of savages that have enjoyed watching bulls getting tortured for generations.
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Walking along minding your own business in Montana and you accidentally stumble in a hole. 100% chance of dying that day.
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Why would they attack? Children can't help it if they step on it or get too close without thinking of how dangerous it could be, and you can't tell me that a Snake wouldn't attack if a kid got all up in its business and started stressing it out.

As for kids not being left alone in the back garden, I disagree. It happens a lot, and even if they aren't, parents and guardians aren't omniscient, and it's perfectly possible for a child to find/play with a snake before they can do anything to stop it/protect them.

You're making assumptions about both the options available to the firefighters and what they were wearing. Sure, in those specific circumstances, you may have a point, but dealing with a situation like that in such a time-consuming, risky way just isn't worth it.

You can't tell me that rattlesnakes don't pose a threat to children and people, full stop. There are many cases of snake bites across the world, and many children don't have the sense to stay well away from them, so it's always a present danger.
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Sep 8 2017, 12:47 AM

Walking along minding your own business in Montana and you accidentally stumble in a hole. 100% chance of dying that day.
Well this definitely just scared me lol
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Sep 8 2017, 08:34 AM
Why would they attack? Children can't help it if they step on it or get too close without thinking of how dangerous it could be, and you can't tell me that a Snake wouldn't attack if a kid got all up in its business and started stressing it out.


I think you meant "why wouldn't they attack", because the rest of that paragraph doesn't make too much sense, unless you were just repeating my question.

Let's see here...

I'm sure this is common knowledge, but if something approaches them, rattlesnakes will stay like this, in an attempt to make any bigger animal back off with its "rattle".

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Obviously I haven't had any experience with a rattlesnake, but I have seen plenty of other snakes preparing themselves to launch their sharp teeth filled with venom at me, and most snakes have this "propelling technique", especially constrictors.

My point is, a smart enough kid, even a very young one, would see that, a 3 ft (1 meter) long creature (picture below what a snake that size is like), and would likely walk away, unless it's stupidly brave to do the opposite, which I've never seen. I was with my little brother when we encountered a snake once. He was terrified.

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And it's not just any small corn snake, it's a beefy rattlesnake, and they look pretty imposing.

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As for kids not being left alone in the back garden, I disagree. It happens a lot, and even if they aren't, parents and guardians aren't omniscient, and it's perfectly possible for a child to find/play with a snake before they can do anything to stop it/protect them.


You assume the snake can't be seen from afar, and this is a 1 meter long snake we're talking about here, that's over half the average human body's height in one beefy snake that has every part of its body protecting every weakspot with S-like curves, all clamped up together in a corner, since that's where snakes usually try to protect themselves in.

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You're making assumptions about both the options available to the firefighters and what they were wearing. Sure, in those specific circumstances, you may have a point, but dealing with a situation like that in such a time-consuming, risky way just isn't worth it.


No, it's not. Having worn a firefighter's suit myself, I can tell it's pretty thick and good for defense to an extent, and against snakes that's no exception. Grabbing it by the head while it's incapable of hurting you is a lot simpler than killing it, then taking its remains and dumping it in the garbage or something.

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You can't tell me that rattlesnakes don't pose a threat to children and people, full stop.


Who in the right mind would say no to that?

Well, of course they're dangerous, it's one of the most venomous snakes in the western hemisphere.

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There are many cases of snake bites across the world, and many children don't have the sense to stay well away from them, so it's always a present danger.


Yeah, you forget I live in a country with one of the most venomous european snakes, I'm aware of the danger, and the logical solution to this is to watch your kid, especially if you live in an area with these things. Do you think I ever left my bro alone when I was in the woods? We have boars over here, I'm pretty sure I've mentioned that, and people in the US have to deal with worse things than this fella, big as he is.

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The snake won't willingly attack any creature bigger than it is, that is just how predators do their thing, and a snake as big as vegito mentioned wouldn't even weigh a goddamn kilogram, meanwhile even a newborn is over twice that.

It'd be the equivalent of a moray eel trying to attack a great white shark, it's not gonna happen, EVER, and in the case of a baby, it'll likely be too naturally afraid to approach it. Most snake attacks are accidental from what I've read, and it was due to the humans being unaware of the snake's presence.

This is not that case.
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