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SSjin 2 Goku (Boo Arc) + SSjin 2 Majin Vegeta vs Movie 10 LSSjin Broli
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* Yu Narukami	Sep 5 2017, 11:23 AM Post #31
Izanagi! Posts: 12,330 Group: Retired Staff Member #6,446 Joined: July 3, 2011 Gender Not Specified Country None	The Cell Games happened in M10's Universe, given the fact that Goku's dead, so if we get the idea that Gohan's been training, even if he hasn't had any kind of boost in power, he should still be ~ CG Gohan.



Jiren	Sep 5 2017, 07:18 PM Post #32
Posts: 158 Group: Member Member #13,809 Joined: March 14, 2017	M6 Goku had Shunkan Ido but he never went to Yardrat in movie 5... Same thing with the Broli movies... The movies dont follow continuity



* Yu Narukami	Sep 5 2017, 07:40 PM Post #33
Izanagi! Posts: 12,330 Group: Retired Staff Member #6,446 Joined: July 3, 2011 Gender Not Specified Country None	Yeah, but they still happened. It's not like Shunkan Ido in M6, we see that this takes place after Movie 8 and we see that Goku is dead and that the story in this Universe has followed the anime's continuity closely, so the Cell Games did occur, and Gohan did get that strong.



Jiren	Sep 5 2017, 07:55 PM Post #34
Posts: 158 Group: Member Member #13,809 Joined: March 14, 2017	Yu Narukami Sep 5 2017, 07:40 PM Yeah, but they still happened. It's not like Shunkan Ido in M6, we see that this takes place after Movie 8 and we see that Goku is dead and that the story in this Universe has followed the anime's continuity closely, so the Cell Games did occur, and Gohan did get that strong. But Gohan said he got stronger since M8 and not Cell Games.. If he was to say he got stronger during the 7 years timeskip, you would have a point... M10 got retconned like movie 6



~~PikUpYourPantsPatrol~~	Sep 5 2017, 09:14 PM Post #35
Posts: 399 Group: GTFO Member #13,945 Joined: July 14, 2017 Gender Male Country United States	Jiren Sep 5 2017, 10:36 AM Event Horizon Sep 5 2017, 10:31 AM M10 Gohan > CG Gohan ~ M8 Gohan > Boo arc Gohan M8 Gohan is not CG Gohan... The CG were not revealed and it was not knpwn Gohan was the strongest... M8 Gohan was the weakest saiyan... Rivalling Trunks who was 1st Rosat... CG Gohan > M10 Gohan ~ Budokai Gohan > M8 Gohan The power not yet released in the anime thing, what even is that? Thats not an argument. And if we go by your logic than m10 Gohan is at least cg level because it was before it was stated in the anime that he got weaker



Jiren	Sep 5 2017, 10:31 PM Post #36
Posts: 158 Group: Member Member #13,809 Joined: March 14, 2017	PikUpYourPantsPatrol Sep 5 2017, 09:14 PM Jiren Sep 5 2017, 10:36 AM Event Horizon Sep 5 2017, 10:31 AM M10 Gohan > CG Gohan ~ M8 Gohan > Boo arc Gohan M8 Gohan is not CG Gohan... The CG were not revealed and it was not knpwn Gohan was the strongest... M8 Gohan was the weakest saiyan... Rivalling Trunks who was 1st Rosat... CG Gohan > M10 Gohan ~ Budokai Gohan > M8 Gohan The power not yet released in the anime thing, what even is that? Thats not an argument. And if we go by your logic than m10 Gohan is at least cg level because it was before it was stated in the anime that he got weaker No its not.... You cleary lack non canon knowledge... Of course it has to be revealed in the anime first... The movies are f*ing based on the anime.... Also dont start with this again... I already explained you that Movie 10 was revealed after Gohan was said to be weaker.... The movie scans of Gohan were taken from his fight vs Kibito when he was said to be weaker... The movie came between episodes 220 to 221... Gohan was said by Vegeta to be a lot weaker in episode 219... It was revealed... Here is a comment of the movie producer that explains it https://sakugapowah.wordpress.com/2015/09/07/takao-koyama-and-makoto-koyama-dragon-ball-screenwriting-panel-at-wakuwaku-nyc-part-1-of-2/ Quote: [Takao Koyama]: In Japan, these anime movies that are based on manga, or especially TV anime if they are all done concurrent at the time, are released on a two-movie-a-year schedule. Generally, around March and then July. Of course, we have to start working on these much far ahead of time of where we might even know where the story has gotten. But we have to put on a magician’s hat and predict how far along the story [will be] because the TV series is really prioritized. We cannot get ahead of their storyline. We have to work within the framework that exists or the one we suspect will exist by that time. Edited by Jiren**, Sep 6 2017, 12:37 AM.



~~PikUpYourPantsPatrol~~	Sep 6 2017, 02:15 AM Post #37
Posts: 399 Group: GTFO Member #13,945 Joined: July 14, 2017 Gender Male Country United States	Jiren Sep 5 2017, 10:31 PM PikUpYourPantsPatrol Sep 5 2017, 09:14 PM Jiren Sep 5 2017, 10:36 AM Event Horizon Sep 5 2017, 10:31 AM M10 Gohan > CG Gohan ~ M8 Gohan > Boo arc Gohan M8 Gohan is not CG Gohan... The CG were not revealed and it was not knpwn Gohan was the strongest... M8 Gohan was the weakest saiyan... Rivalling Trunks who was 1st Rosat... CG Gohan > M10 Gohan ~ Budokai Gohan > M8 Gohan The power not yet released in the anime thing, what even is that? Thats not an argument. And if we go by your logic than m10 Gohan is at least cg level because it was before it was stated in the anime that he got weaker No its not.... You cleary lack non canon knowledge... Of course it has to be revealed in the anime first... The movies are f*ing based on the anime.... Also dont start with this again... I already explained you that Movie 10 was revealed after Gohan was said to be weaker.... The movie scans of Gohan were taken from his fight vs Kibito when he was said to be weaker... The movie came between episodes 220 to 221... Gohan was said by Vegeta to be a lot weaker in episode 219... It was revealed... Here is a comment of the movie producer that explains it https://sakugapowah.wordpress.com/2015/09/07/takao-koyama-and-makoto-koyama-dragon-ball-screenwriting-panel-at-wakuwaku-nyc-part-1-of-2/ Quote: [Takao Koyama]: In Japan, these anime movies that are based on manga, or especially TV anime if they are all done concurrent at the time, are released on a two-movie-a-year schedule. Generally, around March and then July. Of course, we have to start working on these much far ahead of time of where we might even know where the story has gotten. But we have to put on a magician’s hat and predict how far along the story [will be] because the TV series is really prioritized. We cannot get ahead of their storyline. We have to work within the framework that exists or the one we suspect will exist by that time. The movie was under production before that so dont use that excuse. It doesn't have to be shown in the anime first. That's just bs you made up in your head. They already had the power anyways. It's especially evident considering Vegeta was a SSJ in movie 6 and Dende was guardian in M6. And you're reaching with that quote. You're interpreting it how you want to. Edited by PikUpYourPantsPatrol**, Sep 6 2017, 02:18 AM.



StrenuousSpider	Sep 6 2017, 07:06 AM Post #38
Posts: 2,085 Group: Member Member #13,372 Joined: July 11, 2016 Gender Male Country United States	PikUpYourPantsPatrol Sep 6 2017, 02:15 AM Jiren Sep 5 2017, 10:31 PM PikUpYourPantsPatrol Sep 5 2017, 09:14 PM Jiren Sep 5 2017, 10:36 AM Event Horizon Sep 5 2017, 10:31 AM M10 Gohan > CG Gohan ~ M8 Gohan > Boo arc Gohan M8 Gohan is not CG Gohan... The CG were not revealed and it was not knpwn Gohan was the strongest... M8 Gohan was the weakest saiyan... Rivalling Trunks who was 1st Rosat... CG Gohan > M10 Gohan ~ Budokai Gohan > M8 Gohan The power not yet released in the anime thing, what even is that? Thats not an argument. And if we go by your logic than m10 Gohan is at least cg level because it was before it was stated in the anime that he got weaker No its not.... You cleary lack non canon knowledge... Of course it has to be revealed in the anime first... The movies are f***ing based on the anime.... Also dont start with this again... I already explained you that Movie 10 was revealed after Gohan was said to be weaker.... The movie scans of Gohan were taken from his fight vs Kibito when he was said to be weaker... The movie came between episodes 220 to 221... Gohan was said by Vegeta to be a lot weaker in episode 219... It was revealed... Here is a comment of the movie producer that explains it https://sakugapowah.wordpress.com/2015/09/07/takao-koyama-and-makoto-koyama-dragon-ball-screenwriting-panel-at-wakuwaku-nyc-part-1-of-2/ Quote: [Takao Koyama]: In Japan, these anime movies that are based on manga, or especially TV anime if they are all done concurrent at the time, are released on a two-movie-a-year schedule. Generally, around March and then July. Of course, we have to start working on these much far ahead of time of where we might even know where the story has gotten. But we have to put on a magician’s hat and predict how far along the story [will be] because the TV series is really prioritized. We cannot get ahead of their storyline. We have to work within the framework that exists or the one we suspect will exist by that time. The movie was under production before that so dont use that excuse. It doesn't have to be shown in the anime first. That's just bs you made up in your head. They already had the power anyways. It's especially evident considering Vegeta was a SSJ in movie 6 and Dende was guardian in M6. And you're reaching with that quote. You're interpreting it how you want to. Interpreting something how someone wants to thats a everyday thing in life. No one sees something the same as others you vs the majority should have made that clear. But anyway gohan was speaking to broly so this like he said was talking about his power from M8 which gohan was weaker then his father to M10 with new transformation which means he has gotten stronger since the last time they fought not stronger since the cell games that was made clear in the movie.



~~PikUpYourPantsPatrol~~	Sep 6 2017, 07:17 AM Post #39
Posts: 399 Group: GTFO Member #13,945 Joined: July 14, 2017 Gender Male Country United States	StrenuousSpider Sep 6 2017, 07:06 AM PikUpYourPantsPatrol Sep 6 2017, 02:15 AM Jiren Sep 5 2017, 10:31 PM PikUpYourPantsPatrol Sep 5 2017, 09:14 PM Jiren Sep 5 2017, 10:36 AM Event Horizon Sep 5 2017, 10:31 AM M10 Gohan > CG Gohan ~ M8 Gohan > Boo arc Gohan M8 Gohan is not CG Gohan... The CG were not revealed and it was not knpwn Gohan was the strongest... M8 Gohan was the weakest saiyan... Rivalling Trunks who was 1st Rosat... CG Gohan > M10 Gohan ~ Budokai Gohan > M8 Gohan The power not yet released in the anime thing, what even is that? Thats not an argument. And if we go by your logic than m10 Gohan is at least cg level because it was before it was stated in the anime that he got weaker No its not.... You cleary lack non canon knowledge... Of course it has to be revealed in the anime first... The movies are f*ing based on the anime.... Also dont start with this again... I already explained you that Movie 10 was revealed after Gohan was said to be weaker.... The movie scans of Gohan were taken from his fight vs Kibito when he was said to be weaker... The movie came between episodes 220 to 221... Gohan was said by Vegeta to be a lot weaker in episode 219... It was revealed... Here is a comment of the movie producer that explains it https://sakugapowah.wordpress.com/2015/09/07/takao-koyama-and-makoto-koyama-dragon-ball-screenwriting-panel-at-wakuwaku-nyc-part-1-of-2/ Quote: [Takao Koyama]: In Japan, these anime movies that are based on manga, or especially TV anime if they are all done concurrent at the time, are released on a two-movie-a-year schedule. Generally, around March and then July. Of course, we have to start working on these much far ahead of time of where we might even know where the story has gotten. But we have to put on a magician’s hat and predict how far along the story [will be] because the TV series is really prioritized. We cannot get ahead of their storyline. We have to work within the framework that exists or the one we suspect will exist by that time. The movie was under production before that so dont use that excuse. It doesn't have to be shown in the anime first. That's just bs you made up in your head. They already had the power anyways. It's especially evident considering Vegeta was a SSJ in movie 6 and Dende was guardian in M6. And you're reaching with that quote. You're interpreting it how you want to. Interpreting something how someone wants to thats a everyday thing in life. No one sees something the same as others you vs the majority should have made that clear. But anyway gohan was speaking to broly so this like he said was talking about his power from M8 which gohan was weaker then his father to M10 with new transformation which means he has gotten stronger since the last time they fought not stronger since the cell games that was made clear in the movie. Says the worst debater on this site >.> You said Goku wasn't taking Hit seriously due to the fact that he was excited. Well given his attitude vs Kale if we go by your logic he was serious, but at the same time you say he was "holding back". Even if Gohan lost power it's not as much as fans make it out to be. Against Broly he was defenseless, 7 year gap Gohan could at least hurt Goku and Vegeta. And "Interpreting something how someone wants to thats a everyday thing in life" is very telling of you, I don't interpret things as I'd like them to be, I interpret them in the way that makes most sense, but evidently you just believe what you want. Edited by PikUpYourPantsPatrol**, Sep 6 2017, 07:21 AM.



StrenuousSpider	Sep 6 2017, 07:31 AM Post #40
Posts: 2,085 Group: Member Member #13,372 Joined: July 11, 2016 Gender Male Country United States	PikUpYourPantsPatrol Sep 6 2017, 07:17 AM StrenuousSpider Sep 6 2017, 07:06 AM PikUpYourPantsPatrol Sep 6 2017, 02:15 AM Jiren Sep 5 2017, 10:31 PM PikUpYourPantsPatrol Sep 5 2017, 09:14 PM Jiren Sep 5 2017, 10:36 AM Event Horizon Sep 5 2017, 10:31 AM M10 Gohan > CG Gohan ~ M8 Gohan > Boo arc Gohan M8 Gohan is not CG Gohan... The CG were not revealed and it was not knpwn Gohan was the strongest... M8 Gohan was the weakest saiyan... Rivalling Trunks who was 1st Rosat... CG Gohan > M10 Gohan ~ Budokai Gohan > M8 Gohan The power not yet released in the anime thing, what even is that? Thats not an argument. And if we go by your logic than m10 Gohan is at least cg level because it was before it was stated in the anime that he got weaker No its not.... You cleary lack non canon knowledge... Of course it has to be revealed in the anime first... The movies are f***ing based on the anime.... Also dont start with this again... I already explained you that Movie 10 was revealed after Gohan was said to be weaker.... The movie scans of Gohan were taken from his fight vs Kibito when he was said to be weaker... The movie came between episodes 220 to 221... Gohan was said by Vegeta to be a lot weaker in episode 219... It was revealed... Here is a comment of the movie producer that explains it https://sakugapowah.wordpress.com/2015/09/07/takao-koyama-and-makoto-koyama-dragon-ball-screenwriting-panel-at-wakuwaku-nyc-part-1-of-2/ Quote: [Takao Koyama]: In Japan, these anime movies that are based on manga, or especially TV anime if they are all done concurrent at the time, are released on a two-movie-a-year schedule. Generally, around March and then July. Of course, we have to start working on these much far ahead of time of where we might even know where the story has gotten. But we have to put on a magician’s hat and predict how far along the story [will be] because the TV series is really prioritized. We cannot get ahead of their storyline. We have to work within the framework that exists or the one we suspect will exist by that time. The movie was under production before that so dont use that excuse. It doesn't have to be shown in the anime first. That's just bs you made up in your head. They already had the power anyways. It's especially evident considering Vegeta was a SSJ in movie 6 and Dende was guardian in M6. And you're reaching with that quote. You're interpreting it how you want to. Interpreting something how someone wants to thats a everyday thing in life. No one sees something the same as others you vs the majority should have made that clear. But anyway gohan was speaking to broly so this like he said was talking about his power from M8 which gohan was weaker then his father to M10 with new transformation which means he has gotten stronger since the last time they fought not stronger since the cell games that was made clear in the movie. Says the worst debater on this site >.> You said Goku wasn't taking Hit seriously due to the fact that he was excited. Well given his attitude vs Kale if we go by your logic he was serious, but at the same time you say he was "holding back". Even if Gohan lost power it's not as much as fans make it out to be. Against Broly he was defenseless, 7 year gap Gohan could at least hurt Goku and Vegeta. Lol. Heres the thing goku can be both serious and holding back. Especially when he is in a tournament with so many rules. Even tho times like when he fought caulifa he was not serious and obviously not trying vary hard. Tho against kale he was serious but not trying vary hard which was made clear later in the show. Goku has gotten serious many times in the show yet dose not try his hardest. But against hit he obviously was not serious like he was against kale. How serious was he when he fought hit we dont know but obviously not as much as he was against kale or in there second fight. Or against black and zamasu hell even beerus. Now whats the difference that would be whats at stake. Tho you might say he has not gotten vary serious in the tournament not to many people have made him have to.



~~PikUpYourPantsPatrol~~	Sep 6 2017, 08:11 AM Post #41
Posts: 399 Group: GTFO Member #13,945 Joined: July 14, 2017 Gender Male Country United States	StrenuousSpider Sep 6 2017, 07:31 AM PikUpYourPantsPatrol Sep 6 2017, 07:17 AM StrenuousSpider Sep 6 2017, 07:06 AM PikUpYourPantsPatrol Sep 6 2017, 02:15 AM Jiren Sep 5 2017, 10:31 PM PikUpYourPantsPatrol Sep 5 2017, 09:14 PM Jiren Sep 5 2017, 10:36 AM Event Horizon Sep 5 2017, 10:31 AM M10 Gohan > CG Gohan ~ M8 Gohan > Boo arc Gohan M8 Gohan is not CG Gohan... The CG were not revealed and it was not knpwn Gohan was the strongest... M8 Gohan was the weakest saiyan... Rivalling Trunks who was 1st Rosat... CG Gohan > M10 Gohan ~ Budokai Gohan > M8 Gohan The power not yet released in the anime thing, what even is that? Thats not an argument. And if we go by your logic than m10 Gohan is at least cg level because it was before it was stated in the anime that he got weaker No its not.... You cleary lack non canon knowledge... Of course it has to be revealed in the anime first... The movies are f***ing based on the anime.... Also dont start with this again... I already explained you that Movie 10 was revealed after Gohan was said to be weaker.... The movie scans of Gohan were taken from his fight vs Kibito when he was said to be weaker... The movie came between episodes 220 to 221... Gohan was said by Vegeta to be a lot weaker in episode 219... It was revealed... Here is a comment of the movie producer that explains it https://sakugapowah.wordpress.com/2015/09/07/takao-koyama-and-makoto-koyama-dragon-ball-screenwriting-panel-at-wakuwaku-nyc-part-1-of-2/ Quote: [Takao Koyama]: In Japan, these anime movies that are based on manga, or especially TV anime if they are all done concurrent at the time, are released on a two-movie-a-year schedule. Generally, around March and then July. Of course, we have to start working on these much far ahead of time of where we might even know where the story has gotten. But we have to put on a magician’s hat and predict how far along the story [will be] because the TV series is really prioritized. We cannot get ahead of their storyline. We have to work within the framework that exists or the one we suspect will exist by that time. The movie was under production before that so dont use that excuse. It doesn't have to be shown in the anime first. That's just bs you made up in your head. They already had the power anyways. It's especially evident considering Vegeta was a SSJ in movie 6 and Dende was guardian in M6. And you're reaching with that quote. You're interpreting it how you want to. Interpreting something how someone wants to thats a everyday thing in life. No one sees something the same as others you vs the majority should have made that clear. But anyway gohan was speaking to broly so this like he said was talking about his power from M8 which gohan was weaker then his father to M10 with new transformation which means he has gotten stronger since the last time they fought not stronger since the cell games that was made clear in the movie. Says the worst debater on this site >.> You said Goku wasn't taking Hit seriously due to the fact that he was excited. Well given his attitude vs Kale if we go by your logic he was serious, but at the same time you say he was "holding back". Even if Gohan lost power it's not as much as fans make it out to be. Against Broly he was defenseless, 7 year gap Gohan could at least hurt Goku and Vegeta. Lol. Heres the thing goku can be both serious and holding back. Especially when he is in a tournament with so many rules. Even tho times like when he fought caulifa he was not serious and obviously not trying vary hard. Tho against kale he was serious but not trying vary hard which was made clear later in the show. Goku has gotten serious many times in the show yet dose not try his hardest. But against hit he obviously was not serious like he was against kale. How serious was he when he fought hit we dont know but obviously not as much as he was against kale or in there second fight. Or against black and zamasu hell even beerus. Now whats the difference that would be whats at stake. Tho you might say he has not gotten vary serious in the tournament not to many people have made him have to. He was acting excited against Beerus too, your argument doesn't hold up and now that I've pointed out the contradiction in your logic you're doing damage control. Even if we go by your logic it still doesn't work as he wasn't in base or a weaker form, he was in blue.



StrenuousSpider	Sep 6 2017, 10:23 AM Post #42
Posts: 2,085 Group: Member Member #13,372 Joined: July 11, 2016 Gender Male Country United States	PikUpYourPantsPatrol Sep 6 2017, 08:11 AM StrenuousSpider Sep 6 2017, 07:31 AM PikUpYourPantsPatrol Sep 6 2017, 07:17 AM StrenuousSpider Sep 6 2017, 07:06 AM PikUpYourPantsPatrol Sep 6 2017, 02:15 AM Jiren Sep 5 2017, 10:31 PM PikUpYourPantsPatrol Sep 5 2017, 09:14 PM Jiren Sep 5 2017, 10:36 AM Event Horizon Sep 5 2017, 10:31 AM M10 Gohan > CG Gohan ~ M8 Gohan > Boo arc Gohan M8 Gohan is not CG Gohan... The CG were not revealed and it was not knpwn Gohan was the strongest... M8 Gohan was the weakest saiyan... Rivalling Trunks who was 1st Rosat... CG Gohan > M10 Gohan ~ Budokai Gohan > M8 Gohan The power not yet released in the anime thing, what even is that? Thats not an argument. And if we go by your logic than m10 Gohan is at least cg level because it was before it was stated in the anime that he got weaker No its not.... You cleary lack non canon knowledge... Of course it has to be revealed in the anime first... The movies are f***ing based on the anime.... Also dont start with this again... I already explained you that Movie 10 was revealed after Gohan was said to be weaker.... The movie scans of Gohan were taken from his fight vs Kibito when he was said to be weaker... The movie came between episodes 220 to 221... Gohan was said by Vegeta to be a lot weaker in episode 219... It was revealed... Here is a comment of the movie producer that explains it https://sakugapowah.wordpress.com/2015/09/07/takao-koyama-and-makoto-koyama-dragon-ball-screenwriting-panel-at-wakuwaku-nyc-part-1-of-2/ Quote: [Takao Koyama]: In Japan, these anime movies that are based on manga, or especially TV anime if they are all done concurrent at the time, are released on a two-movie-a-year schedule. Generally, around March and then July. Of course, we have to start working on these much far ahead of time of where we might even know where the story has gotten. But we have to put on a magician’s hat and predict how far along the story [will be] because the TV series is really prioritized. We cannot get ahead of their storyline. We have to work within the framework that exists or the one we suspect will exist by that time. The movie was under production before that so dont use that excuse. It doesn't have to be shown in the anime first. That's just bs you made up in your head. They already had the power anyways. It's especially evident considering Vegeta was a SSJ in movie 6 and Dende was guardian in M6. And you're reaching with that quote. You're interpreting it how you want to. Interpreting something how someone wants to thats a everyday thing in life. No one sees something the same as others you vs the majority should have made that clear. But anyway gohan was speaking to broly so this like he said was talking about his power from M8 which gohan was weaker then his father to M10 with new transformation which means he has gotten stronger since the last time they fought not stronger since the cell games that was made clear in the movie. Says the worst debater on this site >.> You said Goku wasn't taking Hit seriously due to the fact that he was excited. Well given his attitude vs Kale if we go by your logic he was serious, but at the same time you say he was "holding back". Even if Gohan lost power it's not as much as fans make it out to be. Against Broly he was defenseless, 7 year gap Gohan could at least hurt Goku and Vegeta. Lol. Heres the thing goku can be both serious and holding back. Especially when he is in a tournament with so many rules. Even tho times like when he fought caulifa he was not serious and obviously not trying vary hard. Tho against kale he was serious but not trying vary hard which was made clear later in the show. Goku has gotten serious many times in the show yet dose not try his hardest. But against hit he obviously was not serious like he was against kale. How serious was he when he fought hit we dont know but obviously not as much as he was against kale or in there second fight. Or against black and zamasu hell even beerus. Now whats the difference that would be whats at stake. Tho you might say he has not gotten vary serious in the tournament not to many people have made him have to. He was acting excited against Beerus too, your argument doesn't hold up and now that I've pointed out the contradiction in your logic you're doing damage control. Even if we go by your logic it still doesn't work as he wasn't in base or a weaker form, he was in blue. What thr hell dose the form he is in mean anything thats right nothing. And goku was excited but he was also serious against beerus so if you are going to try a twist words around at least do a goof job. Goku can be serious, excited, and trying all at the same time and any combination of them.



~~PikUpYourPantsPatrol~~	Sep 6 2017, 11:52 AM Post #43
Posts: 399 Group: GTFO Member #13,945 Joined: July 14, 2017 Gender Male Country United States	StrenuousSpider Sep 6 2017, 10:23 AM PikUpYourPantsPatrol Sep 6 2017, 08:11 AM StrenuousSpider Sep 6 2017, 07:31 AM PikUpYourPantsPatrol Sep 6 2017, 07:17 AM StrenuousSpider Sep 6 2017, 07:06 AM PikUpYourPantsPatrol Sep 6 2017, 02:15 AM Jiren Sep 5 2017, 10:31 PM PikUpYourPantsPatrol Sep 5 2017, 09:14 PM Jiren Sep 5 2017, 10:36 AM Event Horizon Sep 5 2017, 10:31 AM M10 Gohan > CG Gohan ~ M8 Gohan > Boo arc Gohan M8 Gohan is not CG Gohan... The CG were not revealed and it was not knpwn Gohan was the strongest... M8 Gohan was the weakest saiyan... Rivalling Trunks who was 1st Rosat... CG Gohan > M10 Gohan ~ Budokai Gohan > M8 Gohan The power not yet released in the anime thing, what even is that? Thats not an argument. And if we go by your logic than m10 Gohan is at least cg level because it was before it was stated in the anime that he got weaker No its not.... You cleary lack non canon knowledge... Of course it has to be revealed in the anime first... The movies are f***ing based on the anime.... Also dont start with this again... I already explained you that Movie 10 was revealed after Gohan was said to be weaker.... The movie scans of Gohan were taken from his fight vs Kibito when he was said to be weaker... The movie came between episodes 220 to 221... Gohan was said by Vegeta to be a lot weaker in episode 219... It was revealed... Here is a comment of the movie producer that explains it https://sakugapowah.wordpress.com/2015/09/07/takao-koyama-and-makoto-koyama-dragon-ball-screenwriting-panel-at-wakuwaku-nyc-part-1-of-2/ Quote: [Takao Koyama]: In Japan, these anime movies that are based on manga, or especially TV anime if they are all done concurrent at the time, are released on a two-movie-a-year schedule. Generally, around March and then July. Of course, we have to start working on these much far ahead of time of where we might even know where the story has gotten. But we have to put on a magician’s hat and predict how far along the story [will be] because the TV series is really prioritized. We cannot get ahead of their storyline. We have to work within the framework that exists or the one we suspect will exist by that time. The movie was under production before that so dont use that excuse. It doesn't have to be shown in the anime first. That's just bs you made up in your head. They already had the power anyways. It's especially evident considering Vegeta was a SSJ in movie 6 and Dende was guardian in M6. And you're reaching with that quote. You're interpreting it how you want to. Interpreting something how someone wants to thats a everyday thing in life. No one sees something the same as others you vs the majority should have made that clear. But anyway gohan was speaking to broly so this like he said was talking about his power from M8 which gohan was weaker then his father to M10 with new transformation which means he has gotten stronger since the last time they fought not stronger since the cell games that was made clear in the movie. Says the worst debater on this site >.> You said Goku wasn't taking Hit seriously due to the fact that he was excited. Well given his attitude vs Kale if we go by your logic he was serious, but at the same time you say he was "holding back". Even if Gohan lost power it's not as much as fans make it out to be. Against Broly he was defenseless, 7 year gap Gohan could at least hurt Goku and Vegeta. Lol. Heres the thing goku can be both serious and holding back. Especially when he is in a tournament with so many rules. Even tho times like when he fought caulifa he was not serious and obviously not trying vary hard. Tho against kale he was serious but not trying vary hard which was made clear later in the show. Goku has gotten serious many times in the show yet dose not try his hardest. But against hit he obviously was not serious like he was against kale. How serious was he when he fought hit we dont know but obviously not as much as he was against kale or in there second fight. Or against black and zamasu hell even beerus. Now whats the difference that would be whats at stake. Tho you might say he has not gotten vary serious in the tournament not to many people have made him have to. He was acting excited against Beerus too, your argument doesn't hold up and now that I've pointed out the contradiction in your logic you're doing damage control. Even if we go by your logic it still doesn't work as he wasn't in base or a weaker form, he was in blue. What thr hell dose the form he is in mean anything thats right nothing. And goku was excited but he was also serious against beerus so if you are going to try a twist words around at least do a goof job. Goku can be serious, excited, and trying all at the same time and any combination of them. My dude, you said he wasnt serious against Hit due to his demeanor. Yet you don't apply the same logic to him fighting Beerus. As for the Kale thing, if he's suppressed in blue as you say then he's not being serious, you cant be holding back in a form and still be serious, that's a contradiction. Yet look at his demeanor whilst fighting Kale, serious.



Jiren	Sep 6 2017, 12:25 PM Post #44
Posts: 158 Group: Member Member #13,809 Joined: March 14, 2017	PikUpYourPantsPatrol Sep 6 2017, 02:15 AM Jiren Sep 5 2017, 10:31 PM PikUpYourPantsPatrol Sep 5 2017, 09:14 PM Jiren Sep 5 2017, 10:36 AM Event Horizon Sep 5 2017, 10:31 AM M10 Gohan > CG Gohan ~ M8 Gohan > Boo arc Gohan M8 Gohan is not CG Gohan... The CG were not revealed and it was not knpwn Gohan was the strongest... M8 Gohan was the weakest saiyan... Rivalling Trunks who was 1st Rosat... CG Gohan > M10 Gohan ~ Budokai Gohan > M8 Gohan The power not yet released in the anime thing, what even is that? Thats not an argument. And if we go by your logic than m10 Gohan is at least cg level because it was before it was stated in the anime that he got weaker No its not.... You cleary lack non canon knowledge... Of course it has to be revealed in the anime first... The movies are f*ing based on the anime.... Also dont start with this again... I already explained you that Movie 10 was revealed after Gohan was said to be weaker.... The movie scans of Gohan were taken from his fight vs Kibito when he was said to be weaker... The movie came between episodes 220 to 221... Gohan was said by Vegeta to be a lot weaker in episode 219... It was revealed... Here is a comment of the movie producer that explains it https://sakugapowah.wordpress.com/2015/09/07/takao-koyama-and-makoto-koyama-dragon-ball-screenwriting-panel-at-wakuwaku-nyc-part-1-of-2/ Quote: [Takao Koyama]: In Japan, these anime movies that are based on manga, or especially TV anime if they are all done concurrent at the time, are released on a two-movie-a-year schedule. Generally, around March and then July. Of course, we have to start working on these much far ahead of time of where we might even know where the story has gotten. But we have to put on a magician’s hat and predict how far along the story [will be] because the TV series is really prioritized. We cannot get ahead of their storyline. We have to work within the framework that exists or the one we suspect will exist by that time. The movie was under production before that so dont use that excuse. It doesn't have to be shown in the anime first. That's just bs you made up in your head. They already had the power anyways. It's especially evident considering Vegeta was a SSJ in movie 6 and Dende was guardian in M6. And you're reaching with that quote. You're interpreting it how you want to. You dont understand what I am saying.... The movie being under production is irrelevant.... Toei knew everything from the manga... Their knowledge is irrelevant.... Ours is relevant... I claim it has to be first revealed in the anime so it xan be shown in the movie.... The movie can contain anything shown in the series until its release.. If movie 10 was revealed even two episodes after Gohan being said by Vegeta to be much weaker then it can be in the movie... Exactly, Vegeta is SSjin in movie 6 because it was revealed in the anime before... Koyama basically said it in his interview. That's not an interpretation but what he said... He said movies are especially based on the anime... Also Gohan in movie 10 is not like M8 Goku... Bad example because movie 8 was revealed before the CG were in the anime.... Vegeta saying Gohan got weaker was revealed before movie 10 and Vegeta going SSjin was revealed before movie 6... Besides it was known Gohan got weaker since the beginning of the movie... As for dende in movie 6 thats not about the characters strength so its irrelevant Edited by Jiren**, Sep 6 2017, 12:26 PM.



StrenuousSpider	Sep 6 2017, 01:36 PM Post #45
Posts: 2,085 Group: Member Member #13,372 Joined: July 11, 2016 Gender Male Country United States	PikUpYourPantsPatrol Sep 6 2017, 11:52 AM StrenuousSpider Sep 6 2017, 10:23 AM PikUpYourPantsPatrol Sep 6 2017, 08:11 AM StrenuousSpider Sep 6 2017, 07:31 AM PikUpYourPantsPatrol Sep 6 2017, 07:17 AM StrenuousSpider Sep 6 2017, 07:06 AM PikUpYourPantsPatrol Sep 6 2017, 02:15 AM Jiren Sep 5 2017, 10:31 PM PikUpYourPantsPatrol Sep 5 2017, 09:14 PM Jiren Sep 5 2017, 10:36 AM Quoting limited to 10 levels deep The power not yet released in the anime thing, what even is that? Thats not an argument. And if we go by your logic than m10 Gohan is at least cg level because it was before it was stated in the anime that he got weaker No its not.... You cleary lack non canon knowledge... Of course it has to be revealed in the anime first... The movies are f*ing based on the anime.... Also dont start with this again... I already explained you that Movie 10 was revealed after Gohan was said to be weaker.... The movie scans of Gohan were taken from his fight vs Kibito when he was said to be weaker... The movie came between episodes 220 to 221... Gohan was said by Vegeta to be a lot weaker in episode 219... It was revealed... Here is a comment of the movie producer that explains it https://sakugapowah.wordpress.com/2015/09/07/takao-koyama-and-makoto-koyama-dragon-ball-screenwriting-panel-at-wakuwaku-nyc-part-1-of-2/ Quote: [Takao Koyama]: In Japan, these anime movies that are based on manga, or especially TV anime if they are all done concurrent at the time, are released on a two-movie-a-year schedule. Generally, around March and then July. Of course, we have to start working on these much far ahead of time of where we might even know where the story has gotten. But we have to put on a magician’s hat and predict how far along the story [will be] because the TV series is really prioritized. We cannot get ahead of their storyline. We have to work within the framework that exists or the one we suspect will exist by that time. The movie was under production before that so dont use that excuse. It doesn't have to be shown in the anime first. That's just bs you made up in your head. They already had the power anyways. It's especially evident considering Vegeta was a SSJ in movie 6 and Dende was guardian in M6. And you're reaching with that quote. You're interpreting it how you want to. Interpreting something how someone wants to thats a everyday thing in life. No one sees something the same as others you vs the majority should have made that clear. But anyway gohan was speaking to broly so this like he said was talking about his power from M8 which gohan was weaker then his father to M10 with new transformation which means he has gotten stronger since the last time they fought not stronger since the cell games that was made clear in the movie. Says the worst debater on this site >.> You said Goku wasn't taking Hit seriously due to the fact that he was excited. Well given his attitude vs Kale if we go by your logic he was serious, but at the same time you say he was "holding back". Even if Gohan lost power it's not as much as fans make it out to be. Against Broly he was defenseless, 7 year gap Gohan could at least hurt Goku and Vegeta. Lol. Heres the thing goku can be both serious and holding back. Especially when he is in a tournament with so many rules. Even tho times like when he fought caulifa he was not serious and obviously not trying vary hard. Tho against kale he was serious but not trying vary hard which was made clear later in the show. Goku has gotten serious many times in the show yet dose not try his hardest. But against hit he obviously was not serious like he was against kale. How serious was he when he fought hit we dont know but obviously not as much as he was against kale or in there second fight. Or against black and zamasu hell even beerus. Now whats the difference that would be whats at stake. Tho you might say he has not gotten vary serious in the tournament not to many people have made him have to. He was acting excited against Beerus too, your argument doesn't hold up and now that I've pointed out the contradiction in your logic you're doing damage control. Even if we go by your logic it still doesn't work as he wasn't in base or a weaker form, he was in blue. What thr hell dose the form he is in mean anything thats right nothing. And goku was excited but he was also serious against beerus so if you are going to try a twist words around at least do a goof job. Goku can be serious, excited, and trying all at the same time and any combination of them. My dude, you said he wasnt serious against Hit due to his demeanor. Yet you don't apply the same logic to him fighting Beerus. As for the Kale thing, if he's suppressed in blue as you say then he's not being serious, you cant be holding back in a form and still be serious, that's a contradiction. Yet look at his demeanor whilst fighting Kale, serious. Goku can be serious and not be full power dose kid buu ring a bell or fat buu. Maybe even vegeta. Hell he was vary serious against freiza but was not at full power. Edited by StrenuousSpider**, Sep 6 2017, 01:40 PM.



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