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Blackface
Tweet Topic Started: Aug 31 2017, 07:56 PM (2,463 Views)
Dankness Lava	Sep 6 2017, 10:59 PM Post #16
Dankness Forever Posts: 6,348 Group: Tha Dankness Member #9,197 Joined: March 16, 2013 Gender Not Specified Country None Favourite Anime Hajime no Ippo What Browser do you use? Chrome Favourite Manga One Piece	Copy_Ninja Sep 2 2017, 05:34 AM Yeah this is racist regardless of intent tbh. I'm not going to go in to all of the historical significance of blackface because everyone knows that already. Dressing up as another race for comedic effect really isn't acceptable. It'd be kind of like if someone wanted to be an Asian character and did something to stretch their eyes. Everyone can accept that's racist, same thing here. Intent does matter in the reaction though. If it's just ignorance, which seems to be the case here, you can say that it's not cool and something they shouldn't do again. People mess up, it happens. Pretending there's nothing wrong with it is the wrong response though. I don't know, I mean they're just portraying themselves as movie characters.



+ Havoc_Wreaker	Sep 6 2017, 11:47 PM Post #17
Popcorn Posts: 9,904 Group: Elite Member Member #5,870 Joined: March 19, 2011 Gender Other Country Canada	Doggo Champion 2k17 Aug 31 2017, 08:03 PM There's certainly a problem with blackface, but I also don't care when people do it. Getting your panties in a twist over something like this is just a waste of energy. On the whole I don't think that cultural appropriation is a thing, but I do think that blackface can be racist, especially when done with malice (which these guys didn't do). Culture appropriation is a thing. Not always but a lot of the times. It happens to those with rich culture and religion. I



+ Steve	Sep 7 2017, 07:30 AM Post #18
Greetings. I will be your waifu this season. Posts: 19,471 Group: Legend Member #5,710 Joined: February 7, 2011 Gender Male Country United Kingdom Favourite Anime Hunter x Hunter(2011) What Browser do you use? Mozilla Firefox Favourite Manga Berserk all day erry day	Copy_Ninja Sep 2 2017, 05:34 AM Dressing up as another race for comedic effect really isn't acceptable. But that's where the argument goes wrong, people aren't dressing up as another race for comedic effect, they're dressing up as another person for comedic effect. Big difference. It's other people that make it about race, other than the very infrequent times where people genuinely want to don blackface and spew racial slurs and such. There's a pretty clear divide there that people completely ignore. Quote: Edit: I think that the confusion is coming because I don't define something as 'offensive'. I define it as 'offensive to me' or 'offensive to you'. I wouldn't want to dictate how others should react to something, which is what a blanket label of 'offensive' does. That sounds about right on the confusion. What makes something offensive or not as far as I and many others are concerned is whether or not it's actually genuinely offensive content, not just because someone feels offended. People seem to think that everyone has to adjust their lives and the world because they are offended, being offended doesn't mean you are right. There are people out there who want to censor history because seeing stuff like the Auschwitz Museum offends them. And then there are also people who will get mad at you for taking photo's there and posting them, trying to insinuate that you're a Nazi sympathiser and whatnot. These people are not right because they get angry over something, that's not how it works. Likewise with blackface, it has history for sure but as I said before people ignore the divide between what is actually racist and offensive and what is just an homage to a well loved character/person. "I'm offended by that" doesn't put anyone in a position to control other peoples lives by default, these guys clearly meant no harm and most people don't when they do things like this. Blackface is an intentional design to mock and exaggerate the features of black people, an awful caricature of a race in backwards times. If people can't see the difference blackface and this cosplay here: (EDIT In this case I think that specific character's skin is meant to be purple but general point still stands, can't find another similar image that compares them) That's their problem. That girl has clearly put a lot of effort in to her cosplay, for a character she clearly likes a lot and is fairly dedicated to portray. In what way does it reasonably hurt anyone? "she could have just not put black make up on" Why should she have to restrict her costume when she isn't doing something offensive at all? Again, if people can't see the difference between something like that and blackface then the issue lies with them. (P.S not that the dudes in the OP are necessarily doing it out of love or to be a legit good cosplay it's clearly for a laugh and nothing more) Edited by Steve, Sep 7 2017, 07:45 AM.
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~~Doggo Champion 2k17~~	Sep 7 2017, 01:23 PM Post #19
Posts: 7,931 Group: GTFO Member #6,380 Joined: June 20, 2011 Country United States Favourite Anime here comes What Browser do you use? o shit waddup! Favourite Manga dat boi	Havoc_Wreaker Sep 6 2017, 11:47 PM Doggo Champion 2k17 Aug 31 2017, 08:03 PM There's certainly a problem with blackface, but I also don't care when people do it. Getting your panties in a twist over something like this is just a waste of energy. On the whole I don't think that cultural appropriation is a thing, but I do think that blackface can be racist, especially when done with malice (which these guys didn't do). Culture appropriation is a thing. Not always but a lot of the times. It happens to those with rich culture and religion. I Cultural appropriation was invented by SJWs and perpetuated by the likes of Buzzfeed. You can agree with it all you want, but it's certainly debatable. I'd hate to get into it now, though.



* Mitas	Sep 7 2017, 02:58 PM Post #20
It truly was a Shawshank redemption Posts: 12,129 Group: Retired Staff Member #2,993 Joined: December 16, 2007 Gender Male Favourite Anime DBZ What Browser do you use? Google Chrome Favourite Manga DBZ, Full Metal Alchemist	Steve Sep 7 2017, 07:30 AM Quote: Edit: I think that the confusion is coming because I don't define something as 'offensive'. I define it as 'offensive to me' or 'offensive to you'. I wouldn't want to dictate how others should react to something, which is what a blanket label of 'offensive' does. That sounds about right on the confusion. What makes something offensive or not as far as I and many others are concerned is whether or not it's actually genuinely offensive content, not just because someone feels offended. I don't wanna keep on, but what denotes 'actually genuinely offensive content' if it's not something that offends somebody? To me, it sounds like you're pretty much saying 'to me, what makes something offensive is whether or not I agree that it is offensive'.
	"Then you've got the chance to do better next time." "Next time?" "Course. Doing better next time. That's what life is."


+ Steve	Sep 7 2017, 08:40 PM Post #21
Greetings. I will be your waifu this season. Posts: 19,471 Group: Legend Member #5,710 Joined: February 7, 2011 Gender Male Country United Kingdom Favourite Anime Hunter x Hunter(2011) What Browser do you use? Mozilla Firefox Favourite Manga Berserk all day erry day	Mitas Sep 7 2017, 02:58 PM I don't wanna keep on, but what denotes 'actually genuinely offensive content' if it's not something that offends somebody? To me, it sounds like you're pretty much saying 'to me, what makes something offensive is whether or not I agree that it is offensive'. Something that is actually intended to offend and/or makes a mockery of something sensitive? I could tell you that I'm offended by it saying "Smile" under your avatar, how dare you tell me to smile? What if I am depressed and smiling is everything I want to do but can not? I could write an essay about how insensitive it is of you to put that there, citing many reasons like how people on this forum might suffer from depression and how you are thus oppressing them. Should you bend over an apologise for offending me or am I just being unreasonable and expecting the world to be sensitive to my feelings regardless of how silly every sensible person might regard them? It's easy to be offended by anything, to let your mind run along with a whole bunch of nonsense to try justify your position but "my feelings" don't make anyone right. There are times when being offended is certainly appropriate but I fail to see how you can look at most cases of blackface and think that the person was hurting anyone who wasn't blatantly trying to be offended. If people can't see the difference between OP and someone putting on blackface and saying s*** like "Yo, I'm a stupid N word where's my welfare" then they need to re-evaluate how they see the world. We've even have the BBC trying to manufacture more delusional hatred and divide people recently, claiming that a white person using a black emoji is "digital blackface" Digital blackface. Can't say that enough, digital blackface... Actually that's probably the strongest argument in favour of allowing things like this, all this controversy does is divide white and black further, if people could just see the fun in something that's genuinely not trying to be harmful in any way then...people would just be having fun? There would still be people who take it a step too far and people who do in fact intend to harm people but otherwise there would be less people mad at each other for such silly reasons. Silly reasons when there is so much actual hatred out there, every minute spent fighting people who are merely wearing a should-be funny costume is a minute that could have been spent fighting the literal Nazi's that are making a resurgence and other quite openly racist evil bastards that positively do mean to hurt people.
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* Mitas	Sep 7 2017, 09:45 PM Post #22
It truly was a Shawshank redemption Posts: 12,129 Group: Retired Staff Member #2,993 Joined: December 16, 2007 Gender Male Favourite Anime DBZ What Browser do you use? Google Chrome Favourite Manga DBZ, Full Metal Alchemist	Steve Sep 7 2017, 08:40 PM Mitas Sep 7 2017, 02:58 PM I don't wanna keep on, but what denotes 'actually genuinely offensive content' if it's not something that offends somebody? To me, it sounds like you're pretty much saying 'to me, what makes something offensive is whether or not I agree that it is offensive'. Something that is actually intended to offend and/or makes a mockery of something sensitive? I could tell you that I'm offended by it saying "Smile" under your avatar, how dare you tell me to smile? What if I am depressed and smiling is everything I want to do but can not? I could write an essay about how insensitive it is of you to put that there, citing many reasons like how people on this forum might suffer from depression and how you are thus oppressing them. Should you bend over an apologise for offending me or am I just being unreasonable and expecting the world to be sensitive to my feelings regardless of how silly every sensible person might regard them? It's easy to be offended by anything, to let your mind run along with a whole bunch of nonsense to try justify your position but "my feelings" don't make anyone right. I disagree that something has to be intended to offend to be offensive. In reference to the example you gave, I don't believe I ever said that if somebody finds something offensive the world has to cater to that. That would be silly. All types of people find all types of things offensive; we can't ban everything. They can still be offended and that thing is still offensive (to them), but they just have to stomach it. Offensive material should only be taken down if it applies to a large number of people, not just a small handful. Also, cries of outrage and oppression is not the only way to react to finding something offensive. You can find it offensive and just not kick up a fuss, or let your feelings on the subject be known, but accept any 'rulings' on whatever platform you find yourself in, regarding the offensive item in question.
	"Then you've got the chance to do better next time." "Next time?" "Course. Doing better next time. That's what life is."


+ Havoc_Wreaker	Sep 7 2017, 10:13 PM Post #23
Popcorn Posts: 9,904 Group: Elite Member Member #5,870 Joined: March 19, 2011 Gender Other Country Canada	Doggo Champion 2k17 Sep 7 2017, 01:23 PM Havoc_Wreaker Sep 6 2017, 11:47 PM Doggo Champion 2k17 Aug 31 2017, 08:03 PM There's certainly a problem with blackface, but I also don't care when people do it. Getting your panties in a twist over something like this is just a waste of energy. On the whole I don't think that cultural appropriation is a thing, but I do think that blackface can be racist, especially when done with malice (which these guys didn't do). Culture appropriation is a thing. Not always but a lot of the times. It happens to those with rich culture and religion. I Cultural appropriation was invented by SJWs and perpetuated by the likes of Buzzfeed. You can agree with it all you want, but it's certainly debatable. I'd hate to get into it now, though. Bold claims zero facts.... And don't want to debate all right lmao.



~~Doggo Champion 2k17~~	Sep 7 2017, 10:33 PM Post #24
Posts: 7,931 Group: GTFO Member #6,380 Joined: June 20, 2011 Country United States Favourite Anime here comes What Browser do you use? o shit waddup! Favourite Manga dat boi	Havoc_Wreaker Sep 7 2017, 10:13 PM Doggo Champion 2k17 Sep 7 2017, 01:23 PM Havoc_Wreaker Sep 6 2017, 11:47 PM Doggo Champion 2k17 Aug 31 2017, 08:03 PM There's certainly a problem with blackface, but I also don't care when people do it. Getting your panties in a twist over something like this is just a waste of energy. On the whole I don't think that cultural appropriation is a thing, but I do think that blackface can be racist, especially when done with malice (which these guys didn't do). Culture appropriation is a thing. Not always but a lot of the times. It happens to those with rich culture and religion. I Cultural appropriation was invented by SJWs and perpetuated by the likes of Buzzfeed. You can agree with it all you want, but it's certainly debatable. I'd hate to get into it now, though. Bold claims zero facts.... And don't want to debate all right lmao. You didn't attempt to dispute any of my claims.



+ Havoc_Wreaker	Sep 7 2017, 10:37 PM Post #25
Popcorn Posts: 9,904 Group: Elite Member Member #5,870 Joined: March 19, 2011 Gender Other Country Canada	Doggo Champion 2k17 Sep 7 2017, 10:33 PM Havoc_Wreaker Sep 7 2017, 10:13 PM Doggo Champion 2k17 Sep 7 2017, 01:23 PM Havoc_Wreaker Sep 6 2017, 11:47 PM Doggo Champion 2k17 Aug 31 2017, 08:03 PM There's certainly a problem with blackface, but I also don't care when people do it. Getting your panties in a twist over something like this is just a waste of energy. On the whole I don't think that cultural appropriation is a thing, but I do think that blackface can be racist, especially when done with malice (which these guys didn't do). Culture appropriation is a thing. Not always but a lot of the times. It happens to those with rich culture and religion. I Cultural appropriation was invented by SJWs and perpetuated by the likes of Buzzfeed. You can agree with it all you want, but it's certainly debatable. I'd hate to get into it now, though. Bold claims zero facts.... And don't want to debate all right lmao. You didn't attempt to dispute any of my claims. You should really reread what you wrote earlier...



~~Doggo Champion 2k17~~	Sep 7 2017, 10:39 PM Post #26
Posts: 7,931 Group: GTFO Member #6,380 Joined: June 20, 2011 Country United States Favourite Anime here comes What Browser do you use? o shit waddup! Favourite Manga dat boi	What are you on about? I never said that I would not debate. I said that I would hate to get into it. And I would. It's a meaningless discussion. If you're so adamant about it, have at it. I'm listening.



+ Havoc_Wreaker	Sep 7 2017, 10:46 PM Post #27
Popcorn Posts: 9,904 Group: Elite Member Member #5,870 Joined: March 19, 2011 Gender Other Country Canada	Doggo Champion 2k17 Sep 7 2017, 10:39 PM What are you on about? I never said that I would not debate. I said that I would hate to get into it. And I would. It's a meaningless discussion. If you're so adamant about it, have at it. I'm listening. I'm not adamant lol but it is funny how your acting right now. Why is it a meaningless discussion? if it was so meaningless we wouldn't be talking about it right now, would we? And what am I supposed to debate, your claim that its all fake and was over glorified by BuzzFeed? Let me ask you a simple question whats your stance on the Washington redskins?



~~Doggo Champion 2k17~~	Sep 7 2017, 11:28 PM Post #28
Posts: 7,931 Group: GTFO Member #6,380 Joined: June 20, 2011 Country United States Favourite Anime here comes What Browser do you use? o shit waddup! Favourite Manga dat boi	Havoc_Wreaker Sep 7 2017, 10:46 PM Doggo Champion 2k17 Sep 7 2017, 10:39 PM What are you on about? I never said that I would not debate. I said that I would hate to get into it. And I would. It's a meaningless discussion. If you're so adamant about it, have at it. I'm listening. I'm not adamant lol but it is funny how your acting right now. Why is it a meaningless discussion? if it was so meaningless we wouldn't be talking about it right now, would we? And what am I supposed to debate, your claim that its all fake and was over glorified by BuzzFeed? Let me ask you a simple question whats your stance on the Washington redskins? I never said that it was fake, but sure, you can debate a strawman if you'd like. It's definitely been overglorified by media outlets like Buzzfeed, yes. I don't have a problem with the Washington Redskins. If they wanted to change their mascot, I'd be fine with that. If they never change it, that's fine too. I also don't care about sportsball though.



+ Havoc_Wreaker	Sep 7 2017, 11:40 PM Post #29
Popcorn Posts: 9,904 Group: Elite Member Member #5,870 Joined: March 19, 2011 Gender Other Country Canada	Doggo Champion 2k17 Sep 7 2017, 11:28 PM Havoc_Wreaker Sep 7 2017, 10:46 PM Doggo Champion 2k17 Sep 7 2017, 10:39 PM What are you on about? I never said that I would not debate. I said that I would hate to get into it. And I would. It's a meaningless discussion. If you're so adamant about it, have at it. I'm listening. I'm not adamant lol but it is funny how your acting right now. Why is it a meaningless discussion? if it was so meaningless we wouldn't be talking about it right now, would we? And what am I supposed to debate, your claim that its all fake and was over glorified by BuzzFeed? Let me ask you a simple question whats your stance on the Washington redskins? I never said that it was fake, but sure, you can debate a strawman if you'd like. It's definitely been overglorified by media outlets like Buzzfeed, yes. I don't have a problem with the Washington Redskins. If they wanted to change their mascot, I'd be fine with that. If they never change it, that's fine too. I also don't care about sportsball though. You're acting like it's not a big deal or one at all aka acting like its fake... You don't think there's anything wrong with the Washington Redskins? There's a huge misrepresentation of a culture there and racism... Here watch this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AJKfs4ZnbNE They have no right to that name, or the logo or to represent themselves as such. Its ignorant and dumb they don't know the suffering of others they aren't part of the culture it's all rediculous.



+ Saiyan Paladin	Sep 7 2017, 11:41 PM Post #30
Posts: 1,920 Group: Elite Member Member #10,232 Joined: September 21, 2013 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime Dragon Ball Kai, Yu Yu Hakusho What Browser do you use? Firefox, Chrome Favourite Manga Dragon Ball, Berserk	Cultural appropriation is nonsense. This country is supposed to be a "cultural melting pot"....



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