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| * Light | Aug 31 2017, 07:56 PM Post #1 |
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I've put this in deep discussion but if any mod thinks it should be moved go right ahead. This has been spurred by a recent event in my area. 4 locals wore dark tan in order to portray the Jamaican bobsleigh team, immortalised in the film Cool Runnings.  Of the 4 guys who took part, I know 3 of them, and one of them very well. Fwiw, I'm pretty certain that there was no malice behind this act, and they're fairly laid back fun loving guys. Despite all that, I definitely believe that what they did is not acceptable. Locally, the overwhelming consensus is that it's PC culture gone mad. I haven't got facebook, but I've been told that people are changing their profile pics to the Jamaica flag in solidarity. I'm pretty embarrassed that around here no one seems to think there's a problem with the float. Edited by Light, Aug 31 2017, 07:57 PM.
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Aug 31 2017, 08:03 PM Post #2 |
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There's certainly a problem with blackface, but I also don't care when people do it. Getting your panties in a twist over something like this is just a waste of energy. On the whole I don't think that cultural appropriation is a thing, but I do think that blackface can be racist, especially when done with malice (which these guys didn't do). |
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| + Steve | Aug 31 2017, 08:13 PM Post #3 |
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This is what differentiates it from being racist, they're not discriminating against anyone by doing this. If they done this with the intention to portray them negatively rather than to generally be funny it would be bad. Of course, that doesn't stop people being outraged because barely anyone actually thinks about the intention behind blackface, it's automatically branded hateful and racist by most which is silly really. If people can't see the difference between things like this or a white guy blackfacing it up to dress as Michael Jackson(because they like him) and actual Minstrels who would put on blackface specifically to mock black people and portray them in a negative light, then the fault actually lies with them not whoever is in costume. I've seen people get legit mad over someone being a racist a***** putting on blackface...when they literally just had a face mask on that happened to be black. Like that Korean stuff that's all the rage lately. That's not to say that nobody does it with ill intentions and that people shouldn't properly consider what they're doing beforehand but the knee jerk reaction to it is almost always silly. I can see how this one might be a step too far with the cultural/stereotypical attire but they are dressed up as movie characters(?) who I assume dressed like that. Overall I find it silly, they're costumes. Why can't we all just have fun until someone is actually being an a*****? If a black guy wants to put on white face paint and pretend they're Elvis that's totally fine, if you're not trying to hurt someone and aren't doing anything genuinely hurtful you should be free to express yourself. Wearing a costume isn't bad until it is. At the end of the day all it does is take away from the actual hate out there, the stuff that should actually be focused on. Edited by Steve, Aug 31 2017, 08:15 PM.
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| + Saiyan Paladin | Aug 31 2017, 08:16 PM Post #4 |
 
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Yeah, if it's done in a non malicious manner I don't see the problem. Anyone ever watched White Chicks? I wasn't offended. |
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| * Mitas | Aug 31 2017, 08:18 PM Post #5 |
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I agree with OFG. Blackface can certainly be harmful, but in this case, it isn't (assuming there was no malice intended, which it sounds like there wasn't). If you were dressing up as somebody from Avatar, you'd paint yourself blue. How is this any different? They're just dressing up as characters from a film they like. But I am white, so I don't really feel like this is an area for me to make a judgement. If a black person is offended by this, then they have a right to be (even if I would disagree). |
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| + Steve | Aug 31 2017, 08:50 PM Post #6 |
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There is a difference between being offended and something being offensive though, which I think is the main thing people don't realize when it comes to this. People getting angry over it doesn't make their anger justified(not that you were saying that) I find this extra silly these days when we're in a time when people are encouraged to express themselves more and more, come out about being gay/transgender/whatever, be more open about things and such. BUT NO ABSOLUTELY DON'T DO THIS, OFF LIMITS, SUPER BAD. All it does is promote the idea that your race, particularly if you are black, is basically the only thing of note about you and that we should always be touchy about it instead of normalizing it and treating them like everyone else. Imagine how much better the world would be if people could just see these as funny, stupid costumes and not some sort of actual hate crime. |
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| EMIYA | Aug 31 2017, 09:16 PM Post #7 |
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For me, it all comes down to a combination of possibly two things. 1.) Malice (as mentioned) 2.) Stereotype (That being an exaggeration or false implication of something.) For example, let's say someone wanted to act out as Stephen Hawking, because they believe he is a brilliant mind and wishes to immortalize him in their act. They might get the wheelchair, even get the voice box. It's an expected aspect of him that does no harm. But you wouldn't want to incorporate Hawking's actual disease into your work. You wouldn't just move a few fingers and have your face slacking. You want to show the respectful aspects of the person, not the negative. When I think of improper black face, I imagine a thick look of dark skin with large lips that are enunciated. Perhaps with a personality of old or negative feelings to them. I look at the picture above and honestly, I basically see three guys who haven't had a shower in a while. It's admitted there was no malice and in fact, the whole idea here is that these people are giving praise to the people of Cool Running. They liked the movie, they liked the people, so they want to immortalize it here. I won't even nice here. If people are honestly insulted by this, by a group showing praise and love for another group, showing them respect and such. Then frankly, these people need to get the hell over it. If they can't see past the paint and look at the intentions, then they have missed the point. What's so infuriating about it is that it doesn't feel like proper blackface. I feel no malice or really even stereotyping from it. I'd hate to get really bad sunburn one day and people think I'm black facing American Indians or something. |
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| * Mitas | Aug 31 2017, 09:27 PM Post #8 |
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I don't see your point. If somebody is offended by something, then that something is offensive. To them, maybe not to others, but it's still offensive because it has offended somebody. Something isn't only considered offensive when everybody agrees that it's offensive, because often everybody can't agree. It's a personal thing and the interpretation of the event will differ depending on who is experiencing it. |
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| Rockman | Aug 31 2017, 11:02 PM Post #9 |
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My answer is in my sig. Instances in the US where they are doing it, isn't to mirror Cool Runnings. It's legit racism and I believe they were kicked out of school for doing it. Maybe quote me on that. |
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| + Pyrus | Aug 31 2017, 11:25 PM Post #10 |
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It doesn't bother me whatsoever when there's no malice involved. |
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| POOHEAD189 | Sep 1 2017, 02:50 AM Post #11 |
 
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I agree with pretty much everyone else in the thread. Doesn't matter if it isn't meant as an offensive thing. |
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| + Steve | Sep 1 2017, 02:46 PM Post #12 |
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But it''s not offensive, because you can be offended over anything if you try hard enough. That doesn't mean you get to take something away or censor it because you manufactured outrage over it. People will be mad over anything. For instance, there are people who get mad whenever someone wears a military uniform for a costume party, absolutely not offensive. Now, if they have a Swastika on that uniform then that's actually offensive as it's become a hate symbol for obvious reasons. Feelings don't come before facts, people forget that. Just because they're angry doesn't mean their anger is justified. |
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| * Mitas | Sep 1 2017, 04:53 PM Post #13 |
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I'd be interested to know what your definition of 'offensive' is if it's not 'something that offends somebody'. What makes one thing offensive and one thing not offensive when in both cases somebody is offended by it? Other than you judging it so. The label 'offensive' can never be absolute or else something would have always been offensive no matter the point in time or society or culture. Look at nudity: it's gradually become more and more offensive to portray it, but it wasn't always so. The only near-absolute comes when most people find something offensive, but it's still not absolutely offensive, just offensive to the majority. Edit: I think that the confusion is coming because I don't define something as 'offensive'. I define it as 'offensive to me' or 'offensive to you'. I wouldn't want to dictate how others should react to something, which is what a blanket label of 'offensive' does. Edited by Mitas, Sep 1 2017, 05:03 PM.
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| Copy_Ninja | Sep 2 2017, 05:34 AM Post #14 |
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Yeah this is racist regardless of intent tbh. I'm not going to go in to all of the historical significance of blackface because everyone knows that already. Dressing up as another race for comedic effect really isn't acceptable. It'd be kind of like if someone wanted to be an Asian character and did something to stretch their eyes. Everyone can accept that's racist, same thing here. Intent does matter in the reaction though. If it's just ignorance, which seems to be the case here, you can say that it's not cool and something they shouldn't do again. People mess up, it happens. Pretending there's nothing wrong with it is the wrong response though. |
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| Zorcman | Sep 6 2017, 07:20 PM Post #15 |
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I don't really see the problem or see it as racist tbh, but black people have a right to be offended. |
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