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| Decibel | Aug 28 2017, 09:34 PM Post #16 |
 
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Im assuming equal power levels? If so then them at their best in each series I see it as. Dragonball era - Tien wins. Hes the Vegeta of this series. He's head and shoulders above everybody in technique and ki control. Dragonball Z - Tien wins. Krillin is knocking on the door but I don't think he has the drive to take it. Dragonball super - Krillin has some great techniques with good strategy. He tops it all off by fighting with full confidence. Dragonball GT - Yamcha or Tien. Yamcha looks surprisingly good and youthful compared to Krillin |
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| + Pyrus | Aug 28 2017, 10:09 PM Post #17 |
 
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Roshi could be stronger than Krillin. We don't really know how the two compare right now, nor do we know how normal Roshi compares to Tenshinhan if that writer's comment is to be believed about Yurin's magic boosting Roshi up.
But by that logic, I could argue Piccolo > Gohan in the Boo Saga, because Piccolo continued to train and Gohan stopped, but you wouldn't say that works, would you?
Hey, that's your opinion; I simply disagree with it. I could list disadvantages to the Kikoho too, but it doesn't change the baseline that they're both OP techniques that can both be taken advantage of. We could just go in circles about who dodges whose technique and such. That's basically what the argument would come down to.
Yamcha's statement comes in two parts. The part about "among humans" was said to himself, so in his mind, Krillin is stronger than Tenshinhan, at least from the last point he saw them both in action, which would be the Cell Games. It's the last comparative statement we get in the manga. As for Boo's statement, he has to be speaking from memory (seeing as he never met Tenshinhan beforehand), in which case Tenshinhan would be regarded as a master by his peers, just like anybody else in the Z-squad would be. Boo was trying to intimidate Goku there, so it would only really work if Ten was stronger than Super Saiyan 3 Goku.  And I don't think Boo ever really had an encounter with Krillin, other than eating him on the Lookout, but he also ate #18, so again it would force a comparison of Ten with a much stronger character, and that doesn't work.
Probably not. Not a lot of people could survive the Kikoho head-on. But on the same side of the coin, Ten isn't going to be surviving a head-on collision with a Kienzan, so it's back to square one.
You could be right about that scene. I'd have to watch it again. Edited by Pyrus, Aug 28 2017, 10:11 PM.
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| ahill1 | Aug 28 2017, 11:59 PM Post #18 |
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What scene was that again? |
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| * Yu Narukami | Aug 29 2017, 12:04 AM Post #19 |
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How does Tenshinhan train? He either trains with Chiaozu, or by himself with conventional methods. Without anything like increased gravity or the RoSaT to spice things up, his gains wouldn't be that big after years. We never get the indication that he's gotten a lot stronger after we see him in the Android Arc, so why should we assume that training suddenly gives him a large boost that's big enough to push him past Krillin? |
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| + Pyrus | Aug 29 2017, 12:24 AM Post #20 |
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After looking again, it's episode 92, around the 11 minute mark. Krillin asks to spar and Tenshinhan hesitates, then Gohan brings up the problem of Boo not being available. I guess you could take that to mean Tenshinhan wasn't interested in sparring in such a time of urgency, that Krillin was gleefully oblivious to the situation at hand. Edited by Pyrus, Aug 29 2017, 01:04 AM.
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| Notaka | Aug 29 2017, 10:19 AM Post #21 |
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It's because while Tien either gets stronger or stays relatively the same at the bare minimum, while Krillin is getting weaker due to dropping martial arts. It doesn't make sense for Krillin to be stronger than Tien while the former didn't train for 10+ years and the latter was training all this time, unless Krillin was astronomically stronger than Tien to begin with. |
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| Thiln | Aug 29 2017, 11:55 AM Post #22 |
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I don't know. Should we assume Vegeta and Piccolo received notable gains during the intermediary period between the Freeza and Trunks arcs? I mean their training was comprised of flailing about in the wilderness. Gravity training and Super Saiyan sparring partners weren't available at the time. In Piccolo's defence, however, the area he was seen in at the time of Freeza's arrival to Earth was noted to be similar in climate to Namek. Gohan’s Training Grounds Area: B-2 Special Characteristics: The patch of land the Piccolo chose for Gohan’s training. It has harsh topography, with many steep craggy mountains. It is located in an area of land wrapped in sparse green brushwood. Perhaps the fact that its climate is similar to Planet Namek is due to Piccolo’s racial instincts. Also, it is confirmed that this place is inhabited by large animals such as dinosaurs. If the climate is presumably the same as Namek's then I imagine those factors would have benefited Piccolo's training immensely since the common Namekian happens to be many many times more powerful than the common Earthling. Evolutionary conditioning felt it necessary to prime members of that species with power levels that statistically eclipse humanity's by the hundreds. Who is to say how much Piccolo could received from such conditions, even if it were only climate based? We also mustn't forget the weighted accessories he has on that would ideally enhance his training. When it's all put connected together, I believe an argument could be made for Piccolo having undergone more intense quality training what Vegeta subjected himself to before having Dr Briefs construct him a gravitational chamber. Similar to Piccolo, I don't see how Tien couldn't benefit from the inclement weather conditions he appears to subject himself and Chaozu to, and they must be pretty severe because during the collective sensing revelations of the Z-fighters as Freeza was fast approaching the planet, we were shown a panel of Tien and Chaozu in what looks to be a topographically mountainous region of the planet. Ordinarily this may not seem important, but the chronological dating of when Tien and Chaozu were seen on those mountains and the fact they were covered in snow alludes to extremely rigorous atmospheric conditions they subject themselves to on a daily basis as they spar and train.  It's peculiar that Vegeta would find himself drawn to the area where it appears he and Goku fought back during the Saiyan arc; this being after he underwent gravity training at Capsule Corporation. My assumption is that he drifted towards that location for its familiarity. It's likely he may have trained there for the 625 day period between Namek's destruction and Freeza's arrival on Earth. With that said, I don't believe too much was noted about the area except that it was uninhabitable due to the harsh topography; mind you, I could be wrong on where this location is actually placed. But getting back to the issue at hand, Tien's training environment may have arguably been superior to both this area and Piccolo's Namekian-like wasteland.  Herms' dating of events lists Freeza and Cold's arrival as falling somewhere in August, which happens to classify as Summer. The intense concentration of snow on the ground all throughout the mountainous craggy region of Earth that Tien and Chaozu are shown in above implies that they're at an elevation above where the snow line begins, or in other words where snow is on the ground all year round due to temperatures never rising above the freezing point. If I were to make a guesstimate on just how high an elevation they're perched on, I would say the equivalent of Mount Everest since these characters are supposed to be super human. Now what do you suppose the temperatures are like there? They don't get above the freezing point as the snow remains year round with the clouds likely being comprised of ice crystals and not water droplets due to the frigid cold. It was still summer when Freeza and Cold arrived. We see the pair of Tien and Chaozu bundled up. I think it would be safe to conclude that the atmospheric conditions are similar to the Great Himalayas, the general elevations seem to match. Mount Everest's temperatures remain below 0 even during summer. Winter can get so severe that the temperatures descend to levels harsher than even the RoSaT which you cited. Speaking of which...  Temperatures comparable to Mount Everest have been known to rival and even greatly exceed the bleak temperature estimate described by Goku above (as low as -60 Celsius during winter). At that altitude, oxygen is so scarce that only 33% of what's available at sea level can be experienced and used; which is why hikers need to carry oxygen masks and equipment when they're scaling Everest. The air in the Room of Spirit and Time is supposedly just 25% of what's normally felt on Earth, and I'm assuming Goku's estimate was referencing oxygen levels at sea level. So not only does Tien and Chaozu's "mountain training" rival the Room of Spirit and Time in terms of atmospheric rigours, they're perpetual all throughout the regimen with both fighters unable to regulate the climate as I assume the RoSaT can be since Goku worded the temperature fluctuations as going to and from either extremity like it's a transition. I doubt they were working, eating and resting at -40 and 120 degrees all of the time. All this leaves is the ten times gravity which is admittedly a very good perk to have for training. Believe it or not, gravity in actual life does vary from place to place due to the relative density of the planet and because it technically isn't fully spherical. Planetary rotation, proximity to the equator and altitude influence how much there is. Granted, the variations are nowhere close to the disparity felt in the RoSaT. Plus, at higher altitudes the gravity is less so that's one mitigating factor for the extremities. I see nothing unreasonable about those above conditions affording Tien, and by extension Chaozu, enormous increases in power. The climate and air supply should be roughly comparable to the RoSaT, which helps a lot for the training by the way, at the altitude they were depicted as being at. In some ways it's even more intense because the bottom-most temperatures should exceed the RoSaT's by a third. Could it rival the gravity chamber's intensity? Iffy but the rigours only came in the form of attractive force on the body to the mass situated below Vegeta's feet; he was working in what I assume would have been stable temperatures and climate. Oh, and if the RoSaT can be exploited five times by Vegeta for gains, even going into recent arcs like the Universal Survival arc, then I don't see why the same notion couldn't apply to Tien still benefiting from his "mountain training". When I compare what Tien is doing to Krillin's training which seems to amount to him working with Roshi and training in some equatorial climate with warm moderate temperatures year round and an oxygen supply that's ripe, I can't help but feel incredulous. What happened to Roshi's admission that Goku no longer has any use in training under him because he long surpassed those training conditions? Trunks arc Krillin must have been thousands of times more powerful. So why is he turning to Roshi for improvement when a child Goku with power just a few notches greater than Baba's fighters was turned away and told to venture out into the world to build himself up? It doesn't make sense. I also don't believe that the Grand Elder's potential unlock remained constantly in effect throughout the years since Gohan was shown deteriorating and even Krillin himself at the beginning of the latest arc was noted to be grossly out of shape. Under climatic conditions similar to the RoSaT, I think Tien could have easily reclaimed the lead somewhere in mid to late DBZ; that is if Toriyama and sources didn't attest to the contrary for whatever reason. You know I think that status might be a byproduct of Krillin's likability to the author and how he's presented as a sympathetic underdog. It doesn't appear to be founded in rational judgement. |
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| * Yu Narukami | Aug 29 2017, 12:48 PM Post #23 |
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Krillin doesn't need to do a massive amount of training, the potential unlock from Guru shot him up way past Tenshinhan, and the gap was so big that even when he stopped training and Tenshinhan couldn't, Ten just couldn't close the gap. We get told that Tenshinhan has a farm too, so he's likely not training as much as he used to, which would mean that he doesn't have the opportunity to make the gains that he did in the past. |
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| ahill1 | Aug 29 2017, 01:21 PM Post #24 |
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Tenshinhan not catching up to Kuririn even with his "constant" trainings and work outs (like Yu Narikami said above, he could also be planting) just means Kuririn had a pretty good lead over Ten, enough that even an additional 7 years of training wouldn't bring the gap down to 0. The fact is that we have an actuall confirmation (both from Yamcha and AT) that Kuririn is the strongest earthling, so Tenshinhan's constant work outs mean squat in my book. Rigorously training doesn't forcely mean said character has to outstrip someone who isn't in the same route of training, specially if we don't have some clear cut statement on how much the character benefited from said training. In a hand to hand combat (not taking into account hax techniques, which Kuririn also possess) Kuririn defeats Tenshinhan, no contest... or we can at least conclude the bald midget has a higher amount of battle power (if you somehow think Ten's 4 arms could favor him in a hand to hand combat, which... had barely an effect in someone he was almost equal to). |
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| Notaka | Aug 29 2017, 01:45 PM Post #25 |
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Then how much stronger is Krillin in your book ? |
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| Thiln | Aug 29 2017, 01:50 PM Post #26 |
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The potential unlock isn't some infallible talisman of everlasting massive growth. We know it eventually tapered off because both Krillin and Gohan had waned in their power amounts once they retired from fighting. I found it developmentally suspect to start with when Gohan was bracketed with the humans at the beginning of the Cell arc despite having underwent two zenkais on Namek previously and training with a Super Saiyan. Gohan's capacity for growth is interpreted as phenomenal and rapid; he can easily outpace his peers when he applies himself. So what could have halted this process during the three year period preparation for the cyborgs? No one here acknowledges Gohan to be on the Super Saiyans' level; their base states are uniformly described as stronger than Gohan's power. It extensionally correlates to Krillin's gains as not being as profound as some make it out to be - less aptitude for growth, no zenkais, was deceased for 130 days, uses antiquated training methods with little environmental rigours. Tien's status as a prodigious fighter who refines himself in the extremities of the planet with a sparring partner should have posed for enough explanation; as I described above, the chronological dating coupled with the environmental severities of the mountainous region Tien can be seen in above both should reinforce the idea of the guy experiencing atmospheric commonalities with the Room of Spirit and Time. If you factor out the 10x normal gravity that's still leaps and bounds superior in quality of training than what Krillin is depicted as subjecting himself to. No one has acknowledged this fact for whatever reason. Do they think training on a tiny domesticated island with no where near the kind of environmental conditions to facilitate massive growth is somehow adequately proportionate to what Tien does? I'm not hearing any arguments to prove this point, just a lot of handwaving using Toriyama's word alone while failing to consult the manga and the circumstances it's placed the characters in respectively to prove that Krillin's conditions made it reasonably certain that he is the stronger of the two. The potential unlock isn't a good enough explanation because the setting and experiences Gohan dealt with between having his own potential unlocked and training with his Super Saiyan father fail to elevate the young child to a status that's any higher than the humans or even the Base Saiyans. Tien himself may already be stronger than the Namek arc Base Saiyans as he avoided Gero's Bionic Punisher in tandem with Android arc Base Goku, a feat that I wouldn't expect to be possible if he was incredibly weaker as Vegeta being to perceive and react to Freeza's Death Beams was marveled at the time. The same principle should logically apply to Gero's attack. Gohan already is deemed less than the Base Saiyans. It looks to me like the gap between himself and the humans, or Tien more specifically as these feats apply to him, was lessened substantially to just a moderate amount; all that after having undergone two zenkais and training with a Super Saiyan. Agricultural work is hardly a hindrance to Tien. The interview that's being cited goes on to describe it as being hastily completed. Tenshinhan’s Epilogue: Stoic Tenshinhan mainly does farming in addition to his training. He can split into multiple bodies and grow extra arms, so harvesting the crops goes quickly. I suspect it's more quickly than naive and distracted Goku in his own farm-work. We also mustn't forget Chaozu's telekinesis being used to efficiently extract the crops. |
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| * Yu Narukami | Aug 29 2017, 01:59 PM Post #27 |
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At least 3/4x stronger when he stops training, imo. The gap's big enough that the 7 years plus the few years post-Boo of not training still leave him comfortable ahead of Tenshinhan.
Is there any actual evidence that Tenshinhan's gains are better than Krillins, or that he should gain enough to close the gap and become stronger? We see in the Saiyan Saga that Krillin makes massive gains relative to his previous power, and the gains (relatively speaking) were bigger than what Tenshinhan got. Factor in the potential unlock that put him at a level where he could actually manage to support Vegeta against Freeza and his potential 'second form', while Tenshihhan was at 1,830 and wasn't implied to make any kind of massive increase while on Kaio's planet. I don't know about you, but that's a monumental gap, and consider the fact that until the end of the Cell Saga, Krillin was training as well, then the difference between them is gargantuan. I'm not sure why you're bringing up Tenshinhan's response to Gero, as you don't compare it to Krillin at all. Sure, Tenshinhan might be that strong, but Krillin's a lot stronger than him, so it's kind of a moot point. |
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| Thiln | Aug 29 2017, 03:02 PM Post #28 |
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Besides the whole philosophy of this series being about one surmounting their own limits and reaching new heights, I suppose there's no direct credible evidence besides what was already cited recently with Gohan undergoing even better training and physiological upgrades yet still being categorised with the humans. Training conditions have almost always allowed for more impressive benefits in return; this idea has been steadfast in its consistency since Roshi first declined Goku's offer of resuming his tutelage under the hermit because the boy had outgrown what Roshi had to offer. I fail to see how rehashing those methods over a decade later for a character who dimensions stronger would yield what's already been proven to be the climatically comparable to the RoSaT's inclement weather and air supply. Nothing about Krillin's training seemed extraordinary or capable of compensating for the training Tien has been described as subjecting himself to, with a sparring partner, mind you. Krillin's gains relative to Tien's during the Saiyan arc aren't withstanding by themselves due to the conditions of the training allowing for Krillin to benefit from sparring with Tien, who was universally considered to be stronger at the time, as well as Popo. Tien would have been working with somewhat less available manpower to test himself against since everyone but Kami himself and Popo were weaker than he was; and I suspect the gap between Tien and Popo may not have been too big at the time. Krillin had more to gain in the same vein that Piccolo was able to reach the same league as the Super Saiyans in the early Android arc due to training with Super Saiyan Goku. There was a topic with this exact title and discussion from a year previously. I debated with Clearin over the exact amount Krillin could have progressed at the time throughout the Freeza fight. My conclusion was that 75,000 was his pinnacle before dying. Here's my responce which brings up various points that seem to contradict this assertion of Krillin's power ballooning up into the hundreds of thousands. "Vegeta had to lower his power down to the limit just for Krillin's attack to have any effect on him, and this is when Freeza was already in the process of transforming into his final form with Vegeta still hovering around the 400,000-500,000 range. Gohan's enraged onslaught against 2nd form Frieza couldn't even leave any significant damage. I highly doubt Krillin's power would have skyrocketed so much within that short of a time frame when the half-Saiyan with the massive amount of potential was still proving to be inferior compared with Vegeta. Do you remember Piccolo's responce to Dende hesitating in healing Vegeta? He intended to be the one who fights Vegeta after Frieza was dealt with, implying that he had the best odds against the Saiyan Prince in spite of Gohan's power constantly increasing with two zenkais expediting it. There wasn't any protest from Krillin/Gohan about this or suggestions that they help him to fight Vegeta when the time came. I sincerely doubt that Gohan's power increased enough over the remainder of the arc for him to be within Piccolo's spectrum, let alone Krillin who was admitting that he couldn't do anything to a near 1st form Freeza tier Vegeta just a chapter or so ago before Piccolo was healed." I am comparing Tien's reflexive feat because it demonstrates his proximity to a character who received the same potential unlock as Krillin, saw his power gradually increase over the remainder of the Freeza arc, earned two power ups exclusive to his species, and then trained with the man who was considered to be the benchmark for phenomenal power at the time. I would like to know how Krillin's alleged hyperinflated power can somehow outclass Tien's when the child who went through the exact same process and much, much more is still being classified as below the Base Saiyans come the Android arc at a position comparable with Tien and the others. If you want something more directly comparable between Tien and Krillin then I'll paraphrase another argument I made on this topic from two years back. It has to do with the Cell Jrs and how Tien somehow appeared to be remaining upright for a longer duration than Krillin. "The Cell Jr kneed Krillin in the back after he was already on the ground from the first strike. Tien should have suffered a fractured skull and quite possibly trauma to his brain when considering the amount of physical momentum that kick to the head must have been carrying. Tien took two hits to the head and collision against the rocks before going down. Yamcha in the aforementioned panel where Cell is conversing with Gohan is in a posture indicative of falling backward, as though he were attacked, which he was. He was never depicted as trying to fight back and I would argue that suffering trauma to your skull is worse than having your arm broken. Playing around or not, the Cell Jrs were instructed to torture everyone; that becomes difficult to accomplish when your prey is still trying to hold you off. More than that, during that same panel where Tien is show to be retaliating against Cell Jr in the background, Cell is literally talking to Gohan about those who are and aren't putting up a fight against his spawn. A fractured skull can have a myriad of consequences including damage to brain tissue (including one's ability to think properly), swelling of the brain, loss of limb function, and even spinal injury. What's also interesting to note is that the areas of the neck do in fact contain cranial nerves that sends information throughout the rest of the body like the glossopharyngeal and vagus nerves. Just about every one-hit KO attack like these have involved one of these cranial nerves, including Beerus's Karate chop to the Trapezius Muscle where the suprascapular pressure point would be situated. The only exceptions which come to mind are Goten's punch in the gut and Piccolo being knocked out by Beerus applying pressure to points in his chest area. The manga has made out the head region along with cranial nerves and general organs situated in that region of the body to be more vulnerable relative to other areas. Tien was specifically kicked hard in the jaw region where those aforementioned cranial nerves that can cause traumatic shock to the brain are especially situated. Why do you think uppercuts to the jaw area are so preferred in boxing matches? It's one of the most effective areas of the human body through which to get a knockout. We never actually see Tien collapse after the first hit; whether he did or not is just speculation. If Krillin was of a similar calibre then it should haven't been difficult to gather his bearings before hitting the ground. Then again, in just about every major fight Krillin has been in since the beginning of Z, he has a habit of being beaten in just one hit for whatever reason. We see this with Nappa, Vegeta, and Recoome. Power discrepancy or not, that's just flimsy. Gohan was of a similar level in those fights and it took more effort to bring him down. The manga doesn't show Krillin attempting to get back up. Cell Jr immediately follows his initial kick with a knee to the back the moment Krillin lands in the dirt. Krillin's exact posture was shifted downward with his upper body and arm veered at what looks like a 35 degree angle in the second top panel. It doesn't mean he couldn't have recovered in midair, though. He and the others were on top of a fairly big cliff when the fighting began. It would have taken a few seconds for him to descend where Gohan and Cell are. Krillin didn't show any symptoms of getting back up to his feet or even trying to recover before colliding with the dirt. His arms were hanging limply at his side with no apparent motion to re-position them underneath or in front of his body so he can pull himself up. Given his past history with being rendered immobile after one hit, I'm inclined to say that the same would have occurred regardless of whether Cell Jr followed through with a sequential blow or not. " The above posts that were pieced together offer a good picture of relative performance against the Cell Jrs, I believe. Tien was damage in more vital regions of the body yet he was still able to remain upright and attempt an attack on his Cell Jr. You could say it speaks to his tenacity as a fighter, but emotional commitment and determination can only go so far without the necessary power. After this arc it's a downward regressive spiral of power deterioration for Krillin. With Gohan still being comparable to the humans during the Android arc and Krillin falling somewhere considerably lower, I find there isn't much room to assert that Tien could somehow still be weaker than Krillin after four years of weakening or that he was even much stronger to begin with since Tien used superior training methods, trained for a whole 130 days while Krillin remained dead, avoided a Ki projectile in unison with Android arc Base Goku, and appeared to be holding himself better than Krillin in the confrontation referenced above with the Cell Jrs. |
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| * Yu Narukami | Aug 29 2017, 03:09 PM Post #29 |
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The Cell Kids were as strong as SSJ Vegeta, so anyone's performance against them is entirely irrelevant, unless you wanna seriously propose the idea that Tenshinhan's near that level of power. If the Kids were being serious, they'd all be barely conscious on the floor, as they could've just increased their power a little bit to get the necessary advantage to torture them to their heart's content. Okay, even if Krillin was at 75,000 at the Freeza fight, how strong was Tenshinhan at the same time? We get no indication that he's trained with Kaio, or that he's gotten significantly stronger after dying but before getting revived. So, presumably, he'd still be around 1,830, or if you want to highball it for some reason, 10,000. That's still a massive gap to be traversed, and we never get any evidence that Tenshinhan did so. In fact, we get evidence directly to the contrary, with the only counter being that 'Tenshinhan trains a lot so he must've gotten stronger than Krillin', a position that completely contradicts both the manga and Toriyama. |
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| ahill1 | Aug 29 2017, 03:14 PM Post #30 |
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@Notaka --> I have Kuririn with a pretty good lead over Tenshinhan (maybe as high as 2x in the Trunks' arrival saga)... Kuririn has still a good lead over the 3 eyes at the androids saga since both trained to the arrival of the androids, and still a comfortable one at the Boo saga, although obviously to a lesser extent due to Kuririn stopping his training and only going back to it in the month before the Tournament.
The Saichoro's potential unlocked was recognized by Kuririn as a good power up as soon as he received it, who can't believe the power he just got. He even mentioned thinking he was about his limits. He was still strong enough to make Vegeta initially confuse him with Zarbon (although later he stated such chi isn't as strong as Zarbon)... those things just show us Kuririn reached an other level post potential unlock, and we got an actual reading to his power at his fight against Gurd (over 10,000). Later, Vegeta stated both Gohan and Kuririn can help tip the scales in the fight against Freeza, clearly emphasizing their powers, and not just some technique or sneaky attack: Chapter: 295 (DBZ 101), P9.1-5 Vegeta: “We can win! If the 3 of us fight together, we’ll be able to win somehow or another! [ ] It seems that even Freeza hasn’t noticed…These two’s battle power is steadily rising…” V-Jump lists Kuririn as 75,000 at the beginning of the Freeza battle, and even such BP might be arguably low considering his powers being considered relevant in a battle with someone even above 530,000. I personally do have him around 300,000 give it or take. We know Tenshinhan trained with Kaio-sama for around 266 days. While training gains aren't exactly consistents, it's pretty possible Tenshinhan never even got close to Kuririn's realm of power post training. Goku trained for 158 days in Kaio's planet and got a BP of around 8,000... even if we factor Tenshinhan's training partners and more time in the planet than Goku, something like a BP of even 50,000 could fit perfectly. Kuririn has a big enough lead that not even Tenshinhan's 7 years of training was enough to close the gap.
I haven't aknowledged this fact because it's simply irrelevant. Why is it irrelevant, you ask? Because we have actual confirmation that Kuririn has still the title of strongest earthling even by the Boo saga... so we know for a fact that all of this "special environment training big buddy Tenshinhan" did wasn't enough to close the gap. It could have wielded him big gains? Yes, it could, but still not enough to surpass Kuririn, because we know for a fact this latter is still the strongest. It puts a cap on Tenshinhan's gains (depending on how you see the gap between the two). All of this "special" training doesn't even come close to an actual confirmation (not from a Guidebook, but from AT himself, mind you) that Tenshinhan still stacks behind the bald midget.
Who is to say Gohan isn't way higher than the base Saiyans at the androids saga? There's not a single comparison made between them at that time, and quite frankly, Son Gohan could be way superior to any of them, while still falling way behind the androids and SSJs.
That's just him and Goku dodging Gero's eye bean when he was aiming at the city, which isn't even close of a real comparison between Tenshinhan and base Goku. We actually, however, do have implications of all the Earthlings (Ten included) being way behind the base Saiyans. Firstly, we have Gero stating Piccolo (he is reading just his suppressed power) is the strongest one besides Vegeta: Chapter: 346 (DBZ 152), P1.5 No.20: “So then…Who’s energy shall I take?...So Piccolo’s the most powerful after Vegeta, huh?...” And, yet, we have Dr. Gero considering base Vegeta (he didn't know Vegeta could turn into a SSJ) a bigger deal than everybody there:  Base Vegeta > suppressed Piccolo > Earthlings. Edited by ahill1, Aug 29 2017, 03:17 PM.
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