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| Tweet Topic Started: Aug 27 2017, 08:11 PM (1,379 Views) | |
| Lord Frieza | Aug 27 2017, 08:11 PM Post #1 |
 
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| Mike XL | Aug 27 2017, 08:39 PM Post #2 |
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It's either Krillen or Tenshinhan. Yamcha is irrelevant here. Buu saga says Krillen, but Super has shown Krillen to be vulnerable/powered down, being hurt by a bullet, being scared of Freezas soldiers, being eliminated in the TOP way before anyone else in Universe 7, etc. Tenshinhan got owned by Piccolo and Gohan, but that's no surprise really. He also got hurt by a powered up possesed Roshi, but it would be that Roshi got quite the power up, you could make the argument that Roshi might be the most capable human at this point imo. If Tenshinhan has a strong showing during next weeks episode, I'd be inclined to go with him. If not, I'll stick with Krillen in a close match. Yamcha would be taken out very early. |
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| + Pyrus | Aug 27 2017, 11:19 PM Post #3 |
 
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There's no evidence the magic made Roshi stronger. Nobody commented on power-ups for any of the possessed characters, or the magic releasing dormant power, or any of that stuff. Goku seemed to believe Roshi was operating with his own power as well. Currently, I'd easily hand it to Krillin. He's been given the most focus and compliments out of the humans so far. Despite his early knockout from the ToP, his actual power shouldn't be dictated by that. He was able to do fairly well against Base Goku and SSJ Goku, although he got ruffled by Base Gohan prior to some of his training with #18, and stood no chance against SSJB Goku (as would be expected). Tenshinhan's been given the shaft as far as this saga has gone. He got embarrassed by Roshi, albeit with a paralyzing technique, and did absolutely nothing in the tag team battle alongside Piccolo. It looks like he can spam Shin Kikohos now, I guess? Yamcha is irrelevant. Edited by Pyrus, Aug 27 2017, 11:19 PM.
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| + Son-Goku | Aug 28 2017, 04:20 AM Post #4 |
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Depends during what point in the series we're going for. Buu Arc I'd say Tien based on being the only one who had continued training. Super I'd still probably say Tien though, Krillin didn't really demonstrate anything that would put him above Tien. Although, Tien hasn't really done crap either. |
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| + Pyrus | Aug 28 2017, 04:37 AM Post #5 |
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Exactly. Tenshinhan hasn't done crap, so why rate him above Krillin when all sources give the W to the latter? |
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| Thiln | Aug 28 2017, 07:45 AM Post #6 |
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You know to this day I still have difficulty trying to reconcile with Toriyama's judgement on this issue. Circumstances and conditions all favour Tien yet somehow Krillin keeps defying these believable expectations. If there was some confirmation that he had been training with #18 during the three year time elapse between the Cell Games and when he hung up the gi for good then I could understand him overtaking Tien. However, as it stands there isn't really anything besides Toriyama and Yamcha's word to reinforce this claim. Regardless, I don't believe the gap is too large between them for Tien to not have a chance. Yamcha does put a damper on things somewhat. If he chose to side with one or the other then he might be able to influence the course of the match. I otherwise think Tien with his Shin Kikoho could win. Physical hand-to-hand combat might go to Krillin if his power level is considerably higher than Tien's, but if it's close then the Shiyoken and multi-coordination using the third eye would pose a huge challenge to Krillin in trying to use his sleight of hand tactics. Ki wise, Tien has the advantage in terms of versatility. Krillin has been hijacking Tien's ability since Namek. I would hope Tien could anticipate a Taiyoken as he already had it used against him once during the 23rd tournament. So I guess the conclusion hearkens back to the issue of whether Tien can land the Shin Kikoho or not. At close enough power levels I feel like he could win. Without them, Krillin wins barring the Kikoho successfully overwhelming him. |
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| Notaka | Aug 28 2017, 12:55 PM Post #7 |
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Same. I don't know how Tenshinhan can still be weaker than Krillin despite the former still training like hell and the latter has mellowed out due to lack of fighting. Currently, I give it to Tien. Sure Krillin did manage to disqualify some people, but he was also the first to fall down. Yamcha is irrelevant, he wasn't even chosen as part of the tournament. |
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| + Pyrus | Aug 28 2017, 01:07 PM Post #8 |
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Still not sure how order of elimination has any bearing on strength, especially when we're given a clear reason for it. Am I to argue Android 18 is weaker than Roshi if she gets knocked out before him? I guess this issue still hasn't changed here. Man, that's a bummer! Edited by Pyrus, Aug 28 2017, 01:09 PM.
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| Notaka | Aug 28 2017, 01:16 PM Post #9 |
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No, but if Krillin was eliminated before Tien then that should mean something. Krillin stopped training ever since the cell games finished, whereas Tien was still pushing past his limits. Even if we assume Krillin is stronger than Tien, how much stronger is he ? A neo tri beam would close any kind of imaginable gap between Tien and Krillin |
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| + Pyrus | Aug 28 2017, 06:03 PM Post #10 |
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I have to ask again, why? Roshi > Krillin now?
Conjecture, mayn. I don't even think anything like that is said in Super when we do find Tenshinhan.
Likewise, a Kienzan would disable Tenshinhan, so I fail to see how this is still a valid argument. We all know special haxxed techniques can turn the tables in a battle. I mean, I get the argument. I've been down this road countless times. Tenshinhan trained while Krillin "retired" after the Cell Games. But when every single source post-Cell Games has said Krillin is the stronger of the two (albeit basically copy-pasted from the last), and it doesn't contradict anything in the manga seeing as we never get a comparison of the two beyond the Saiyan Saga, then what does the "but Tien trains" argument really substantiate? We know he trains. It doesn't say anything about his gains; that's all fanon. Edited by Pyrus, Aug 28 2017, 06:09 PM.
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| Notaka | Aug 28 2017, 06:26 PM Post #11 |
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Not too farfetched given Super's powerscaling. Roshi unlike Krillin was training, Goku even comments on his power while he was fighting him. I don't remember Goku saying that Krillin's power is impressive.
You sure ? It kinda seemed that Tien was still training.
The Tri Beam > Kienzan. It's far more powerful, doesn't take as much time and covers a wider area and is in general the better technique. The Kienzan is only good for surprise attacks. it takes too much time to charge, and considering that Tien knows what it does, he could easily avoid it. Unlike Frieza's disks, Krillin can't control his. I just don't subscribe to the idea of Krillin > Tienshinhan. it doesn't make much sense IMO, unless Krillin was like massively stronger than him. even if we say Krillin > Tien, how much of difference is there ? A neo tri beam would easily vaporize Krillin, considering it boosed Android arc Tenshinhan to the point of pushing away Semi Perfect Cell |
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| + Saiyan Paladin | Aug 28 2017, 06:33 PM Post #12 |
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Krillin got a huge lead on the other two during Namek and didn't look back. Ten trains, but Krillin is still stated to be the strongest human during the Boo arc. The author's intent is clear, whether you think it makes sense or not isn't relevant. Krillin wins. Didn't Ten look nervous when Krillin suggested sparring pre-ToP anyways? |
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| + Pyrus | Aug 28 2017, 06:35 PM Post #13 |
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Different scenarios. Goku hadn't seen Roshi in action for quite some time, and had no idea he had been training in secret, so of course Roshi's power would be surprising to him. He had no reason to say that kind of thing to Krillin because they were training together for a while, and Goku saw Krillin's growth before him.
I'm not saying he wasn't training. I'm saying the "past his limits" thing was conjecture to boost up whatever gains you think he made.
I think you have it in reverse, but regardless, they're both OP techniques, and Super has shown us that these guys can apparently spam those techniques with ease now, so charging time doesn't seem to be a factor at this point.
Maybe Krillin was noticeably stronger, and Tenshinhan just didn't get a whole lot stronger like you're assuming for some reason? It's been stated several times and contradicts absolutely nothing in the original manga or Super thus far, so going against it just because it doesn't feel right to you isn't really a well supported argument.
There doesn't need to be a big difference between them, although I would argue there is considering Krillin started out stronger and then went beyond his limits training with Goku in the forest episode. You might as well argue Tenshinhan could vaporize anybody with a technique we have no way of quantifying. Also, as the dude brought up above, Tenshinhan looked nervous when Krillin suggested they spar. If he was stronger than Krillin, he probably wouldn't have declined in such a manner. Edited by Pyrus, Aug 28 2017, 06:41 PM.
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| Notaka | Aug 28 2017, 06:49 PM Post #14 |
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He still thought of it as impressive. Roshi was stronger than Tien, he could very well be stronger than Krillin too. that's how Super's scaling is ridiculous.
Even so, Tien is getting stronger whereas Krillin is getting weaker.
How so? The Tri Beam is superior in every way except Attack Potency since The Kienzan outright ignore durability. The kienzan also takes too much time to charge and is easily avoided. The Tri Beam looks far better to me.
I won't deny that Krillin became noticeably stronger since the Namek Saga. Maybe you're right about Tien not getting a whole lot stronger. Did the original manga point out to Krillin > Tienshinhan ? The only thing that comes close is Yamcha saying to Marron that her Dad is the strongest human. But that's debatable, since Yamcha is most likely comforting her since she was worried about him. I also found this: Chapter: 502 (DBZ 308), P7.1 Context: talking to Goku after knocking out Tenshinhan Boo: “…That guy just now was apparently quite a master, but he was reduced to that state in just 1 one kick…You’re making some empty boasts…Frankly, no matter what you try, you absolutely won’t be able to even inflict damage on me.” Boo says that Tien is quite a master, whereas he makes no comment about Krillin. This could be due to the fact that Boo was unintelligent when he killed Krilllin.
No, that would be a NLF. We have seen limits of the Tri Beam, but it's rather high considering it boosted Tien who was a fodder to Base android arc Saiyans to someone who could push Semi Perfect Cell.It has to be a really high boost. Even if Krillin is slightly stronger, there's no way he gonna survive a Tri Beam head on. What about Tien looking nervous ? I though it was due to not having time to spar. Why would he be afraid of "Sparring" with Krillin ? Edited by Notaka, Aug 28 2017, 06:50 PM.
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| Notaka | Aug 28 2017, 07:01 PM Post #15 |
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Actually, I just went back and saw the episode where Krillin suggested to spar. Tien doesn't even look nervous, more like "I'm sorry but..." given that They couldn't since they had a problem; Buu was absent. If you want to say that Tien looks nervous, then you might as well say Gohan is. Does that mean Krillin > Gohan ? Edited by Notaka, Aug 28 2017, 07:01 PM.
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