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| Sam | Aug 24 2017, 04:54 AM Post #1 |
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I feel like this is a contrarian topic... but if you pay attention to my personal contributions to the religion topic, I've only posted my own personal beliefs. Not why. Nor anything elaborate. I felt it would be far more interesting to read it and keep people in check as it went along. As I was talking to Tinny the other night, it occurred to me. A more important question to me: "why do we feel the need to debate religion?" Perhaps it's just something to talk about in deep discussion that we're all passionate about for obvious reasons. But I think it goes a bit deeper than that. I've been here for a dozen years. I've seen these topics be made again, and again, and again. In the beginning, they were pretty simple. YHG, his sister, myself, mostly everyone in the beginning believed in god. YHG and his sister came from a religious family. For me, I was only a boy and didn't really think about religion until my mid-teens. Which is when I started to question it myself. There was also a period where I was vocally anti-theistic. Needless to say, no matter how many people I had agreeing with me "back in the day" (five or six years ago, maybe longer) I was kind of over-the-top at times. Not really in an insulting way, just how much I was posting in those topics... as if I actually thought I could change someone's opinion. Or that changing it even mattered. So, why do you think we have this desire to debate religion with one another? I don't want any actual religious opinions in this topic, more an analysis on the human condition/mind and why this is a topic that some of us feel essential to debate at times. Is it simply a thought exercise for you personally? Do you feel like you should defend something you adamantly believe (or do not believe) in? Does it go further for you, on a personal level? I'm curious as to the responses. Because, of all the things that have remained consistent over the years, were religious topics and conspiracy theories. And we banned conspiracy theories after a few years  If you want to make a religious point to someone, resist the urge and go to the Great Religion Topic. I'll just trash posts otherwise, as I want this to be on the topic title. The Need to Debate Religion. If you wish to expand it further, you can perhaps find some other examples I may be missing in addition to religion that people feel the need to hash out every so often, even if the communities they are a part of are well aware of their beliefs. A thought exercise? Re-affirmation? Getting a feel for the rest of the community? What is it for you personally, that gets us so absorbed - sometimes in really negative conversations that we legitimately do not "enjoy" - about topics like religion, or other such serious issues? And what does that say about the human condition? This is a bit of an abstract topic concept, but, I can't say I've ever seen it made! 
Edited by Sam, Aug 24 2017, 04:55 AM.
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| Bad User | Aug 29 2017, 02:34 PM Post #2 |
 
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It all boils down to one word: competition. That's why we debate stuff in the first place. That why we start wars over point of views. That's why we even started wars over religion. Our beliefs are imprinted in our ego and this has its roots in our primary instincts as predatory, territorial animals. We need to defend, conserve and even expand our territory to survive. Even if this territory might not be physical, but rather mental, spiritual. This might be the reason, although we may not be aware of it, because it's mostly... subliminal. But that's just my opinion nevermind me lol |
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Aug 29 2017, 03:07 PM Post #3 |
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It's a culmination of a few different reasons for me. Mainly, the subject really interests me. I debated minoring in religious studies back in college and wish that I had. I think it would be pretty cool to be a theological scholar. Why am I so interested in the subject? I would assume it has to do with being raised in a religious family and converting. I really enjoy debating religion when my opponent is well-versed and educated. Unfortunately, those folks tend to be other atheists, and an incredibly educated theist is rare. (Not that I'm the most educated myself, but yeah.) I try to learn more every day, whether by debating, conversing, reading books, or watching videos. Maybe a part of me hopes to learn as much as I possibly can so that when I'm finally confronted by my family, I can defend myself to the best of my ability. |
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| Bad User | Aug 29 2017, 05:40 PM Post #4 |
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May I add 2 more theories to the survival thingy I've mentioned recently? Besides treating our minds like 'mental territories' and protecting that, sending out our 'inner baggage' to the outer world is also a form of survival, basically perpetuating ourselves into the next generations long after our death. When we were 'more' primitive and lived in tribes, spreading your knowledge, experience, opinions to younger fellows meant a great deal for your race's survival (teaching them who are the predators, how to defeat or avoid them, how to assemble or use tools etc.). Nowadays, it's more complex than 'eat, breed, repeat', but the basis is the same: I'm trying to pass onto the next generation not only physical genes, but also psychic genes (and having someone that believes what you are trying to prove is a win-win). The third theory from the same field is that we are trying to impose our point of view as a form of 'getting the community's approval'. As in, if I can't addhere to them, I'll make them addhere to me. Having people agree with what you think (which is part of your ego) gives you a sense of acceptance. And thousands of years ago, being a part of a community also meant survival, because being left out in the wilderness with big bad cats hunting you, wasn't really an option. All in all, our need to debate religion, or anything else for that matter, is because our basic instincts tell us to behave like that. |
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| Rockman | Aug 29 2017, 09:11 PM Post #5 |
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The exercise as a whole is a method of affirmation to your thoughts. I know that when I was anti-theistic many years back, I actively was trying to affirm my position and build my logical mindset. Whether or not you want to admit it, doing so causes you to become narrow minded. I eventually came to the realization that there is no need to actively try to affirm said positions. People are allowed to believe whatever they wish as long as they aren't hurting anyone or impeding other people's happiness in the process. We're probably all wrong anyway. |
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| + Steve | Aug 29 2017, 11:41 PM Post #6 |
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Personally I debate over it because I don't want my life to be affected by silly rules that other people believe in, I refuse to accept a world that revolves around such a flawed concept, especially since there are so many and how that just makes things a mess. Religion does nothing but complicate the world so I debate it in favour of it either going away or calming down because all the hassle holds us back. Imagine where the LGBT community would be now if religion didn't paint it as disgusting way back? Regardless of what you believe in religion has affected all of human history and truly I struggle to find what part of it's involvement is positive. It's an important debate to have because no matter what side of the dice you are on in particular, religion still affects your life. |
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| lazerbem | Aug 30 2017, 12:04 AM Post #7 |
 
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Not much better, I imagine. Discrimination hardly requires religion to justify it. More than likely it'd just be presented as inherent degeneracy rather than an affront against any power however. Kind of like how racism was secular in many areas.
Uniting wartorn tribes under a single banner, offering a useful rallying cry for defenders, offering hope to people in times of trouble, charity for the public, sponsoring science, sponsoring art, preserving vast amounts of knowledge, grand feats of architecture, inspiring works of art, etc. Back to the OP, I get into it because they oft turn into dissemination of myths and the like that are silly. Also a little bit because they tend to get vitriolic one way or the other and I would like to defend against that sort of thing. Edited by lazerbem, Aug 30 2017, 12:04 AM.
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Aug 30 2017, 02:05 AM Post #8 |
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Who is "they?" |
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| lazerbem | Aug 30 2017, 03:52 PM Post #9 |
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They is the threads in general |
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