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| + Son-Goku | Aug 17 2017, 01:49 AM Post #1 |
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For example should a girl who was originally a guy be able to compete with girls in athletics, or should they have to compete with men due to physical abilities? |
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| + Green | Aug 17 2017, 02:11 AM Post #2 |
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I know they take hormones to change their bodies and that the use of hormones results in increased body fat, particularly in certain areas and the reduction of muscle mass for men who transition into being a woman. I am not sure to what degree these changes exist. As I'm tying here, I realized that I really don't know what would be the best course of action, now I'm going to look this up instead of going to sleep. Over all, my knowledge base and maybe the overall knowledge base is too limited to provide an adequate answer to this question. Lots of research has to be done and the availability of test subjects are increasing. |
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| + Steve | Aug 17 2017, 03:39 PM Post #3 |
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I think it's completely unfair really, the rights of one person shouldn't supersede everyone else's rights to fair competition. Hormones and whatnot change your body but if you're going from male to female it's not going to be a 100% change is it, if there's any way to prove that they are completely the same as a normal woman physically then go ahead but generally there's no way they would be. It'd be like letting the kid who got held back a few years take part in sports competitions for his class even though he's years older than them, pretty BS. |
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| * Mitas | Aug 17 2017, 05:06 PM Post #4 |
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I don't know enough about this to have an concrete opinion, more of a hypothetical one: if being born as a male gives the transgender female an unquestionable biological advantage over other female competitors, then no, they shouldn't be able to compete. I'm not sure exactly what that would mean for where they'd compete, but it's unfair to those female competitors that be operating at a perpetual disadvantage. |
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| ThisIsMyDebatingFace | Aug 24 2017, 09:32 AM Post #5 |
 
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It's going to depend on the person, it would have to be decided on a case-by-case basis. Hormone replacement changes the fat and muscle distribution, for some who take it young enough, it also alters the hips/pelvis in MtF. So it is possible that a trans male/female can compete on a fair basis. The other thing is going to be when the person started training for their sport, if they took it on early on, before surgery and HRT, then it could cause problems or if they make the decision for HRT and surgery in later life. In terms of being a fair competitor, you would want someone who has started the process in their early 20s and not been training much before that. Obviously, if you do HRT before puberty hits, you'd get different results. |
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| + Pyrus | Aug 24 2017, 09:08 PM Post #6 |
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I think a case-by-case basis is fair, but I also think the standard should be that whichever sex you were at birth is the sex you must compete with even if you're the opposite sex (or in-between) at the time. |
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| ThisIsMyDebatingFace | Aug 24 2017, 10:02 PM Post #7 |
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That would put you at a disadvantage in MtF, as you would be taking testosterone blockers and an unfair advantage FtM since you would be taking testosterone. For some competitions, like showjumping, gymnastics and others based on point scoring, it wouldn't matter. Gymnastics for women has a bit of an emphasis on elegance, so you need that going for you. Finding a balance is difficult and I don't think anyone has really tried yet. |
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| + Pyrus | Aug 24 2017, 10:13 PM Post #8 |
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It's difficult either way you go, I think. |
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| ThisIsMyDebatingFace | Aug 24 2017, 10:19 PM Post #9 |
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Well, unless the gap between men and women closes in athletics, then it wouldn't be an issue at all. |
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| + Green | Aug 26 2017, 02:14 PM Post #10 |
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Does testosterone provide a huge performance improvement like steroids would and conversely, would blocking testosterone result in a significant decrease in strength? |
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| ThisIsMyDebatingFace | Aug 26 2017, 03:35 PM Post #11 |
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I'm not a doctor, so it's hard to say. But with HRT, you are adding testosterone and removing estrogen for FtM and the reverse for MtF, which combined results in changes to muscle structure, both in building the muscles up and in the distribution around the body, so the combination of the two would have an effect on strength. Higher testosterone in women does help them to perform better than other women when it comes to sports, why that is, is still being studied I think. One of the affects of testosterone is one that makes the person more competitive. I don't think there's any direct link between strength and testosterone, but more what it does in combination with other factors. It is also a controlled substance and athletes can't take additional testosterone, unless maybe by some form of exemption. I don't think suppressing testosterone is banned in athletics because there is no benefit to suppressing it, unless you are transitioning from male to female, or some forms of cancer. Edited by ThisIsMyDebatingFace, Aug 26 2017, 03:36 PM.
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| + Son-Goku | Aug 26 2017, 06:31 PM Post #12 |
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Is that really any different than taking steroids and then competing in sports then? |
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| ThisIsMyDebatingFace | Aug 26 2017, 08:32 PM Post #13 |
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Is what any different? Taking testosterone? Yes, it's very different, steroids have a greater effect on enhancing performance. But changing from one gender to another does nothing for enhancing performance. I don't want to repeat my first post though, it's all going to depend on the person and when they started training for something. |
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| Zorcman | Sep 6 2017, 07:11 PM Post #14 |
 
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Anyone who transitioned after puberty should not be allowed in the gender of their choosing. At a young enough age though, that's fair. |
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