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Why is Trump painted out to be much worse than Sanders or Clinton?
Topic Started: Aug 16 2017, 12:53 PM (2,204 Views)
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Aug 16 2017, 08:46 PM
Because he's literally Hitler / a white supremacist / a Russian agent / a well-done steak lover / a tiny-hands having person / etc...

At this point, people who still cling to things such as the "Russian conspiracy," yet favor individuals such as Bernie Sanders, a moron who supports and idolizes communist regimes such as the Soviet Union and global embarrassments such as Venezuela, or Hillary Clinton, a woman who's taken money from several Middle Eastern countries for her campaign and was supported by foreign interest groups such as the Muslim Brotherhood, Carlos Slim, etc... ("It's not collusion if we like it!") are beyond saving. Trump certainly isn't perfect, by any means, but he's a hell of a better alternative than Bernie or Hillary.
Oh, really? When did Bernie support and idolise the Soviet Union? You're just pulling examples out of nowhere to try and justify your pre-conceived notion.

Trump has hotels and properties in Middle Eastern countries, and with his 'Muslim Ban', did you notice that a few countries (the ones who produced the terrorists responsible for most terror attacks in the US) were exempt, and they just so happened to have his properties in them? There's no possible way Trump is still making decisions based on his own personal situation and potential benefits for him, right? Trump gets his kid to accept the proposal of Russia giving him dirt on Hillary, blasts his allies and praises those who should be his enemies.

How exactly did she collude with Carlos Slim or the Muslim Brotherhood? Legit curious.

He's not perfect, he's a vile, filthy man who has no business being the President of the USA.
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None of them were all that good anyway but let's be clear...that doesn't make Trump any less terrible does it? He's still terrible, America should still have better.

No amount of deflecting how terrible he is changes anything about him, he's an incompetent buffoon without an ounce of respect or class for anyone or anything besides his money and his penis.
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I still don't understand this notion that Clinton was this awful choice for President. She's the most qualified candidate in at least 16 years. What makes her to terrible? Her e-mails?
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Aug 16 2017, 10:28 PM
She's the most qualified candidate in at least 16 years.
That's laughable.

Anyone truly qualified for the office of president in the USA is smart enough to never run for that office. Nobody wants this position anymore, Trump winning is a great example of that, and why would they? Being the president is a s***show nowadays.

Still not a fan of Trump, though.

@the abortion thing, I think first and second trimester abortions are fine, third trimester abortions is something I dislike though. If you're at the point where the baby can be born and survive, there shouldn't be any abortions going on barring any health risks to the mother.
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She's the most qualified candidate in at least 16 years.
That's laughable.

Anyone truly qualified for the office of president in the USA is smart enough to never run for that office. Nobody wants this position anymore, Trump winning is a great example of that, and why would they? Being the president is a s***show nowadays.
Is it though? She was the First Lady and she held several offices through her career. How is she not the most qualified person considering her age?

Also, what the heck are you talking about? Do you know why people say it's a s***show? Because of Trump. Was it a s***show when Obama was president? When Bush was president? I don't think so.
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Aug 16 2017, 09:02 PM
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Aug 16 2017, 08:46 PM
Because he's literally Hitler / a white supremacist / a Russian agent / a well-done steak lover / a tiny-hands having person / etc...

At this point, people who still cling to things such as the "Russian conspiracy," yet favor individuals such as Bernie Sanders, a moron who supports and idolizes communist regimes such as the Soviet Union and global embarrassments such as Venezuela, or Hillary Clinton, a woman who's taken money from several Middle Eastern countries for her campaign and was supported by foreign interest groups such as the Muslim Brotherhood, Carlos Slim, etc... ("It's not collusion if we like it!") are beyond saving. Trump certainly isn't perfect, by any means, but he's a hell of a better alternative than Bernie or Hillary.
Oh, really? When did Bernie support and idolise the Soviet Union? You're just pulling examples out of nowhere to try and justify your pre-conceived notion.

Trump has hotels and properties in Middle Eastern countries, and with his 'Muslim Ban', did you notice that a few countries (the ones who produced the terrorists responsible for most terror attacks in the US) were exempt, and they just so happened to have his properties in them? There's no possible way Trump is still making decisions based on his own personal situation and potential benefits for him, right? Trump gets his kid to accept the proposal of Russia giving him dirt on Hillary, blasts his allies and praises those who should be his enemies.

How exactly did she collude with Carlos Slim or the Muslim Brotherhood? Legit curious.

He's not perfect, he's a vile, filthy man who has no business being the President of the USA.
Bernie spent his honeymoon in the Soviet Union. It's hilarious you think he holds a negative opinion of the pile of filth that was the Soviet era Russia. Again, this is a man who held Venezuela up to be a pinnacle of income equality. Naturally, the economically illiterate moron has been silent regarding the development in recent years. That doesn't stop much of the left from idolizing vile individuals such as Castro, Madura, Chavez, and Che, with most of said admirers being privileged upper middle class white kids who never saw the reality of these nations.


Trump's "Muslim ban" (lmao) included countries which were outlined by the previous administration (you know, Obama) as being hotspots for terrorist activities and being unstable. This is a practice put forth by Obama in 2011 and Jimmy Carter back during the 1980s with Iran, two left-leaning Presidents who appear exempt from any and all criticism with regards to "Islamaphobia" (a ridiculous term altogether)

Additionally, you have this idea that I'm some Trump apologist who believes he walks on water, almost as if I were a CNN employee shilling for Hillary. I have plenty of criticism regarding Trump, particularly with his refusal to publicly condemn Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, and Egypt (which comprise of like 96%+ of terrorism, and are responsible for pushing Salafism / Wahhabism across the Western world, allowing it to infiltrate governments and establish ridiculous precedents such as M-103 in Canada to silence criticism of Islam) in the same manner as he does the Shia-majority Iran. But this isn't exclusive to Trump: the American government's hard-on for Saudi Arabia and other Sunni nations spans long before Trump and, by the looks of it, will unfortunately continue for years to come. Trump at least will refer to Islam by name, unlike the previous administration, Hillary, or ol' Bern.

Carlos Slim effectively owns the NYT. He is THE largest shareholder and effectively saved them. Unsurprisingly, NYT were among the most vocal supporters of Hillary Clinton, much like CNN, MSNBC, etc... They effectively ran the narrative for much of the campaign cycle, which, again unsurprisingly, was hilariously pro-Clinton and anti-Trump. Accusations of him being racist, sexist, bigoted, etc... were all run shamelessly, whereas no similar articles were run against Hillary, despite blatant corruption during the Democratic primaries and during the election itself. Wikileaks was the only source which ran anti-Clinton articles, and much of that is the spur of the 'Russian conspiracy.' In essence, the issue with Russia's 'hacking' (by Russia I mean the DNC themselves, as was obvious to anyone who doesn't drink the Kool Aid) is that it only serves to be a problem if it's involving a country which isn't viewed as "good'." Russia exposing much of the corruption within the DNC is a problem, but Carlos Slim (Mexico, by extension) having his agenda pushed through the NYT isn't. Saudi Arabia donating money to Hillary isn't a problem because they're "allies" of the US, much like how they serve as head of the Human Rights Council AND the Women's Rights Council despite the fact that they literally execute women, gays, LGBT, etc... What the 'Russian conspiracy' boils down to, if we even accept the narrative being pushed out, is that certain information regarding candidates shouldn't be exposed to the public, as it might incriminate them and the people shouldn't be allowed to know about it. Anyone angry at the idea of politicians 'colluding' with other countries for information would have a heart attack if they actually looked at the amounts of hacking and colluding which goes on between the US and every other nation, perhaps most notably that of Israel, our 'ally'

As for the Muslim Brotherhood, Clinton's aide, Huma Abedi, has legit ties to Saudi Arabia, Muslim Brotherhood, and has even written for a magazine (Journal of Muslim Minority Affairs) which regarded single mothers, gays, and scantily dressed / promiscuous women as being not worthy of the status of being considered "families," with the latter being responsible for sexual aggression which may be used against them (i.e. "She was asking for it") For Clinton's top aide and "second daughter," Huma's past is as checkered as one can possibly get, and calls into question any and all policies Hillary sets forth regarding Islam. Anyone who condemns Trump for his actions involving the Middle East should be equally concerned with Hillary's motivations in the same region (i.e. Her desire to increase refugee resettlement by several times the current rate)

"no business being the President of the USA" <--- Hahahah, let me guess, you think the popular vote is what should determine the outcome of elections? Or should we revamp the voting process to tailor to your preferences? If you think Trump is a 'vile, filthy man,' surely you believe Hillary, who defended a child rapist in the 1970s as a lawyer, only to laugh about it afterwards, is vile as well? No? How about her referring to young black males as "super predators," or her supporting her husband Bill Clinton, one of the most prolific sexual predators in presidential history, and silencing women who attempted to speak out against him. Does that qualify as a 'vile, filthy woman'? Or are mean words said a decade ago much worse. Her support for the Iraq War, the 1994 Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act (destroyed more black families than 1000 Trump lifetimes could ever hope of doing), her abomination at Benghazi? No? How about her parroting blatantly false catch-phrases such as the "wage gap" (debunked 1000 times and is literally intro-level economics) or claiming that women are the primary victims of war (not the men who died, right).

Any of that qualify? How about her questionable ties to white supremacists such as Robert Byrd (pictured below) or even Barry Goldwater, the man she views as her inspiration for getting into politics and whom she admired even to deem herself a "Goldwater girl"? The same Goldwater who, mind you, voted against the 1964 Civil Rights Act on the basis that the Supreme Court needs to take into account "the essential differences between men" (aka Whites > Blacks). Does any of this bother you? Or is Trump saying mean words override all that? While Hillary was campaigning with opponents of the Civil Rights Bill and defending child rapists in court, Trump was winning the Ellis Island award. How evil a man!


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Robert Byrd - http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/chatterbox/2002/12/what_about_byrd.html

What concerns Barry Goldwater, he was never affiliated with KKK or any white supremacy. Goldwater was a political icon for many.

David Duke is an outspoken racist, leader of the KKK. There's a HUGE difference between that and what you are claiming with Byrd and Goldwater.
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Robert Byrd - http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/chatterbox/2002/12/what_about_byrd.html

What concerns Barry Goldwater, he was never affiliated with KKK or any white supremacy. Goldwater was a political icon for many.

David Duke is an outspoken racist, leader of the KKK. There's a HUGE difference between that and what you are claiming with Byrd and Goldwater.
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Uh huh, I now understand why your political leanings are the way they are.

Byrd's membership in the KKK is indisputable. The acceptance of his "remorse" for joining the Klan is just further evidence that Democrats can be racist, but if they say sorry (when it's politically convenient) they are given a clean slate. It's appalling the leeway granted for a man who was personally responsible for recruiting hundreds of individuals into the KKK and was elected Exalted Cyclops simply because he said sorry. If only the world worked that way for everyone else.

And lol @ Barry Goldwater "never affiliated with any white supremacy." I'm sure his vote against the Civil Rights Bill of 1964 was because he didn't like the color of the ink they used.

Also, what relevance does David Duke have? Trump has denounced him and white supremacy on several occasions. If your argument is that he supported Trump, then surely you have the same ire for the multitude of racist, criminals, and questionable foreign parties (Saudi Arabia) who supported and rallied for Clinton, right?
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Robert Byrd - http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/chatterbox/2002/12/what_about_byrd.html

What concerns Barry Goldwater, he was never affiliated with KKK or any white supremacy. Goldwater was a political icon for many.

David Duke is an outspoken racist, leader of the KKK. There's a HUGE difference between that and what you are claiming with Byrd and Goldwater.
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Uh huh, I now understand why your political leanings are the way they are.

Byrd's membership in the KKK is indisputable. The acceptance of his "remorse" for joining the Klan is just further evidence that Democrats can be racist, but if they say sorry (when it's politically convenient) they are given a clean slate. It's appalling the leeway granted for a man who was personally responsible for recruiting hundreds of individuals into the KKK and was elected Exalted Cyclops simply because he said sorry. If only the world worked that way for everyone else.

And lol @ "never affiliated with any white supremacy." I'm sure his vote against the Civil Rights Bill of 1964 was because he didn't like the color of the ink they used.
It doesn't matter what the source is when it's a direct quote.

It doesn't make Barry Goldwater racist for voting against that bill in 1964 when every Southern Democrats opposed the bill. And even if he was racist, it doesn't make Clinton a worse person for having him as an inspiration. She probably disagreed with him on some issues and admired and agreed with him on other issues.

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Also, what relevance does David Duke have? Trump has denounced him and white supremacy on several occasions. If your argument is that he supported Trump, then surely you have the same ire for the multitude of racist, criminals, and questionable foreign parties (Saudi Arabia) who supported and rallied for Clinton, right?


Well, unless you live under a rock you must've seen the news about Trump blaming both sides. In this case it was neo-nazis and white "socialists", but KKK goes for the same. He didn't denounce any of this out of his own volition, so it's safe to assume Donald Trump doesn't mind David Duke.
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So what? Once a KKK member, always a KKK member? There's no chance for regret or an attempt to right what was wrong? Byrd makes it clear that not only does he deeply apologize for his interactions with the KKK but outright states that no matter how many times he does it, that notion will always hang around his neck. At this point, what should Byrd have done?

He renounced his affiliation to the KKK. He was wrong and he admitted that fact. So tell me, what should have done? He offered his apologies, made note of his mistakes and tried to move on? What should he have done? Because here's the thing, being a member of the KKK, while idiotic, is not a crime punishable by law. So I will ask one more time, what should Byrn have done?

If offering his legit apology on the notion doing his best to distance himself from the point isn't enough, should he have chopped off his head and offered himself up as a sacrifice?
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So what? Once a KKK member, always a KKK member? There's no chance for regret or an attempt to right what was wrong? Byrd makes it clear that not only does he deeply apologize for his interactions with the KKK but outright states that no matter how many times he does it, that notion will always hang around his neck. At this point, what should Byrd have done?

He renounced his affiliation to the KKK. He was wrong and he admitted that fact. So tell me, what should have done? He offered his apologies, made note of his mistakes and tried to move on? What should he have done? Because here's the thing, being a member of the KKK, while idiotic, is not a crime punishable by law. So I will ask one more time, what should Byrn have done?

If offering his legit apology on the notion doing his best to distance himself from the point isn't enough, should he have chopped off his head and offered himself up as a sacrifice?
Byrd was an actual leader in the KKK, then he denounced the KKK and we give him a clean slate.

Trump has no actual known affiliation with the KKK, denounces the KKK and white supremacists and we say BS.

I guess they're only redeemable if they're on the left. I love double standards.
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So what? Once a KKK member, always a KKK member? There's no chance for regret or an attempt to right what was wrong? Byrd makes it clear that not only does he deeply apologize for his interactions with the KKK but outright states that no matter how many times he does it, that notion will always hang around his neck. At this point, what should Byrd have done?

He renounced his affiliation to the KKK. He was wrong and he admitted that fact. So tell me, what should have done? He offered his apologies, made note of his mistakes and tried to move on? What should he have done? Because here's the thing, being a member of the KKK, while idiotic, is not a crime punishable by law. So I will ask one more time, what should Byrn have done?

If offering his legit apology on the notion doing his best to distance himself from the point isn't enough, should he have chopped off his head and offered himself up as a sacrifice?
Byrd was an actual leader in the KKK, then he denounced the KKK and we give him a clean slate.

Trump has no actual known affiliation with the KKK, denounces the KKK and white supremacists and we say BS.

I guess they're only redeemable if they're on the left. I love double standards.
It's not that simple and you know that.

It's not as black and white as you make it out to be. Trump isn't part of KKK and hasn't officially supported David Duke and the KKK, but he certainly hasn't convinced any of us that he denounces it either (that public statement he made came too late and he contradicted it a day later anyway).

Early on Byrd was part of KKK as a leader and I'm sure it took many years for him to convince people he regretted it. If you can point to a specific point in time, after he renounced himself from the KKK, he spoke warmly about the KKK... Be my guest.
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"I am the bone of my sword."

Yeah, we call BS because we don't see any legitimization of his apology. He even goes as far as to blame both groups. Byrn's apology comes off as legitimate from a person who recognizes his wrong doings in the past and wants to make note that these things should no longer exist. He remarks it as the greatest mistake he's ever made in his life.

Trump doesn't come off as legitimate. He comes off as sterilized, regurgitating the bare basics of what should be expected while transparently hiding behind what is obvious his very discriminatory ideology. That or he doesn't have the balls to tell what are obviously some of his support who voted for him the blatant truth of their discrimination.

All Trump had to do was come up shortly after the incident and say something along the lines of.

We as the United States will not tolerate any form of discrimination or prejudice. It is high time we moved away from these outdated ideologies and begin to move forward to accept equality of all types."

Or in simpler Trump language.

"Nazi's bad, country better than this."

Trump has shown no semblance of legitimate feelings to his remarks and therefore, the rest of us feel no reason to believe his words either.
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But we know for a fact that Byrd was remorseful, and that Trump isn't? Sounds pretty biased to me, so biased that you've reduced me into defending Trump over it.

The fact that people are defending Byrd actually disgusts me, but I guess apologies redeem everything.
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