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Why is Trump painted out to be much worse than Sanders or Clinton?
Topic Started: Aug 16 2017, 12:53 PM (2,205 Views)
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Aug 16 2017, 02:52 PM
.He talks in laymen's terms so people understand. You care more about how it's said than what's said? How dense are you?
.Might as well just scream bigot at the top of your lungs, it's just as nonsensical and what you people resort to when backed into a corner. I can't name a single republican candidate you lot haven't asserted was racist, sexist, etc.
.He supports LGBT but it is a mental disorder so I can see why he banned them from the military. The suicide rate is too high and they're not discriminated against enough for it not to be.
.Oh you mean as opposed to liberals who just call everyone who disagrees a racist?
.Vague, can say that about you too, stop being bias.
.The f*ck?
.So what? You get taxed for climate change, they keep moving the goalposts, the earth has cycles, etc so obviously its a hoax. And even if it is true so what if people don't believe in it? As if you do anything whatsoever to prevent or slow it down.
.Right, as opposed to Bernie who advocates stealing from people LMAO
-He speaks in laymen's terms because he's not intelligent enough to use bigger words.
-Jeb Bush, Marco Rubio, Carly Fiorina, John Kasich, Rick Santorum, Rick Perry.
-You're discrediting yourself here. There's no proof being homosexual or transsexual is a mental disorder. Back up your claims.
-Prove this aswell. I have not seen any other politician, democrat or republican, who resorts to this when someone disagree with them. He's making media the enemy when he should focus on other stuff.
-He has fired a handful of people after only 8 months in the job and he can't pass a single bill in the GOP when he practically owns the house and senate.
-He lies about pretty much everything. Especially in his tweets.
-I don't know enough on this subject so I'm passing.
-Bernie didn't want to steal from people, he wanted to make it fair for everybody involved. It's only natural that the more money you have, the more you pay in taxes. It shouldn't be a sum to pay, it should be a percentage.
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Don't even know why I'm responding to this nonsense.

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Opposing Russia =/= going to war with them. Obama placed sanctions on Russia and stepped up military presence in allied countries nearer to Russia but didn't go to war with them. Taking that to mean she's going to war is ridiculous.

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2. Even Sanders scolded her for that, she's just asking for retaliation.


Not saying I agreed with her on it but in context it's a pretty minor point.

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3. Cept she is though no matter how many times the left wing screams that she's not


Name me the crimes she was convicted for.

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4. your point? That's not the main issue.


You called him a socialist. He isn't. Just correcting you.

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5. Why should it be free and why should the rich pay so that you can have these things for free? You're giving them nothing in return, you're thiefs. Why should we help the poor when they contribute nothing to society, all they do is take and put us in debt. Can you explain to me how exactly they're not a burden?


Jesus, don't know where to even start with this. I guess I'm just not a selfish a***** who thinks that people who are in s***ty situations should be given a chance to improve their lives. Having a perennially poor underclass that have no assistance to get out of their situation does no good for anyone. When people are able to improve their socio-economic situation they put more back in to the economy and it's a net positive. The idea that helping other human beings is a burden is ridiculous.

I also like how you just assumed that I'm someone who needs programs like that. I don't, by the way. In fact I don't personally benefit from any of them at all.

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He talks in laymen's terms so people understand. You care more about how it's said than what's said? How dense are you?


No, he's literally not coherent a shocking amount of the time. He rambles on, is often unclear about what he means and contradicts himself while he's speaking. It's the opposite of being understandable. And yes, how the President speaks is important.

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.Might as well just scream bigot at the top of your lungs, it's just as nonsensical and what you people resort to when backed into a corner. I can't name a single republican candidate you lot haven't asserted was racist, sexist, etc.


He was literally making excuses for white nationalists behaviour yesterday. He has white nationalists as part of his White House. I'm pretty comfortable with my characterisation of him. Not that you addressed that criticism of him at all and just jumped to this right off the bat but w/e.

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.He supports LGBT but it is a mental disorder so I can see why he banned them from the military. The suicide rate is too high and they're not discriminated against enough for it not to be.


This is all sorts of ignorant. Just because he held a pride flag once doesn't mean he does support LGBT people. His Justice Department believes that it's legal to fire people for their sexual orientation. His military ban isn't supported by any evidence but that's not new for him.

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.Oh you mean as opposed to liberals who just call everyone who disagrees a racist?


Not even remotely the same as the White House attacking the free press.

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.Vague, can say that about you too, stop being bias.


Not really that vague, he's failed to push through any major legislation 8 months in even though the Republicans control both Houses of Congress and the White House. And you can say what about me? I don't understand the rest of this comment.

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.The f*ck?


What? You don't think he's a liar? Even though he lies about things we know is a lie like the size of his inauguration crowd, that he won the popular vote and that he had the biggest election landslide since Ragean. They are all demonstrably false yet he has continued to repeat them. That's just the tip of the iceberg.

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.So what? You get taxed for climate change, they keep moving the goalposts, the earth has cycles, etc so obviously its a hoax. And even if it is true so what if people don't believe in it? As if you do anything whatsoever to prevent or slow it down.


I mean, climate change is real whether you believe in it or not. I don't go anything to prevent it no. Then again, I'm not in charge of the most powerful government on earth and can't enact policies that would have demonstrable effect on changing things. Trump is but he's doing the opposite and helping destroy this planet for future generations. You can not believe in it, that's fine. It means you're wrong, but it's fine because you and I don't really matter. The President does.

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.Right, as opposed to Bernie who advocates stealing from people LMAO


Yeah totally dude, I hate how Bernie didn't put his businesses in a blind trust and spent tax payer money at his own properties and had foreign diplomats stay in his hotels, all of which he made money on. Oh wait, none of that happened and this only applies to the current moron debasing the Presidency? Thought so.

Also, lmao thinking taxation is theft.

This is the last post I'm making in here btw, regardless of whether this gets a response. Any more and I'll probably have an aneurysm.
Edited by Copy_Ninja, Aug 16 2017, 03:27 PM.
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Aug 16 2017, 12:53 PM
The main argument against Trump seems to be "he's mean" I'll admit he's imperfect and a jack@ss alot of the time but still. Clinton wanted to go to war with Russia, enforce a no-fly zone, she's a criminal and Sanders is a socialist that would destroy the economy. How are these things undermined by "Trump is mean"?
This is more or less unrelated, but if Sanders is a socialist, he does a very good job of hiding it. I've at no point seen him call capitalism inherently corrupt, the most socialist thing I've seen is free college and a higher minimum wage, neither of which is in any way related to the idea of union control or the exploitation (supposedly) inherent in capitalism. The things he's suggesting aren't socialist, if anything they're meant to make sure a socialist revolution doesn't happen because the people are satisfied with higher wages rather than having more control over the work place, like a Union owned corporation.

As for being mean, there's mean and then there's wanting to date your own daughter, creating a very hostile relationship with the news media, creating his own news, using explosive rhetoric which at worse will get us into a war with China and at best make America look stupid when we back down and giving the Kim family a win in propaganda, despite supposedly caring about coal country he's not doing anything to help them create jobs (and in many ways is actually opposing that with budget cuts to the appalachian regional commission). He's racist (his comments about a certain judge's hispanic heritage) and in some ways it supportive of groups such as the neo-nazis if his hesitance to comdemn them, followed by him trying to create an equivalence with Neo-Nazis. He's in many ways far more horrible than Clinton could ever be.

Also Clinton is not a criminal, the FBI has gone over this multiple times, if you don't believe them, fine, but at that point you may as well argue that Trump is a fascist, or that Obama is a foreigner or muslim, which has about as much backing these days.

For my personal take on Trump, he has failed every standard I have set for him, both in competence and in morality. If he denounced the Neo-Nazis with the same speed and absurdness as he did CNN or Hillary Clinton, I don't think I'd be as ashamed to have him as a president as I am now.
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Clinton wanted to kill babies. Whether she's technically a criminal or not she was the mean one
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When did Hillary say, "I want to kill babies." ???
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She wanted to allow abortions all the way up the last day of pregnancy. She doesn't need to say "I want to kill babies". She's a b***
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"I have said many times that I can support a ban on late-term abortions, including partial-birth abortions, so long as the health and life of the mother is protected. I’ve met women who faced this heart-wrenching decision toward the end of a pregnancy. Of course it’s a horrible procedure. No one would argue with that. But if your life is at stake, if your health is at stake, if the potential for having any more children is at stake, this must be a woman’s choice" (Hillary Clinton 2008).

In 2016:

CLINTON: "No -- I have been on record in favor of a late pregnancy regulation that would have exceptions for the life and health of the mother. I object to the recent effort in Congress to pass a law saying after 20 weeks, you know, no such exceptions, because although these are rare, Bret, they sometimes arise in the most complex, difficult medical situation."

BAIER: "Fetal malformities and…"

CLINTON: "And threats to the woman's health."

BAIER: "Sure."

CLINTON: "And so I think it is -- under Roe v. Wade, it is appropriate to say, in these circumstances, so long as there's an exception for the life and health of the mother."


To summarize, since you seem incapable of doing your own research, Clinton is in favor of late-term abortions only if there is a threat to the mother's life.

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I remembered an interview I saw where she said she would support third trimester abortion. Just rewatched it though and yeah I guess it's only if it's necessary

I still generally don't like abortion though :P
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That is a fair stance to take. But let's not take comments made out of context to demonize already polarizing political figures.

We can argue over stuff they actually meant alot more often.
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Can you elaborate on why you think it's insulting personally?

I have family in Venezuela and my mother's side lived there for a while, and it was abundantly obvious for a long time how the place was going to end up. The fact that the likes of Maduro actually ended up offering some support and this wasn't cleared up doesn't speak to me in any fashion that's good.
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There's a long history of unrest in most of the south american countries, such as Ecuador, Colombia and even Brazil. There's been unrest in Venezuela for quite some time now and even if the socialist approach was something to admire, it's much better to look to countries that hasn't proven unrest such as the nordic countries (I live in one of them). There's plenty of examples of the socialist approach working, but looking to South America for examples will almost always backfire.

None of the Nordic countries are socialist in the least bit. Currency still exists along with a market. For Sanders to call them socialist is a gross misunderstanding, but I'd have forgiven it since it's not as egregious as praising dictatorships and never clearing it up. There were other things too besides that, like failing to understand how GAO reports work(he lists JP Morgan as getting 390 billion in financial assistance from the Fed, but forgets to adjust loan length which would make it just 31 billion dollars) and misunderstanding the problems in the education system(it's K-12 that causes the most issue).

Also, back on topic about Trump, "being mean" is a very real concern when the crap you spew gives ammunition for people like Maduro to drum up support or when it spreads fear and distrust in allies like South Korea.
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For the love of god!

Abortion is not a synonymy for murder or baby killing. I despise this illogical reasoning. Abortions are made for a reason because the woman does not want a child. This could be one of many reasons. They can't afford it, they were raped, they suffer under medical issues, etc. Why should the right of an unwanted object have more rights than the very body of woman.

People who actively try to push for Pro-Life agendas at the cost of Pro-Choice agendas leave me wondering, What kid of incentives would you even offer? You see, an abortion only effects those who want it. If someone wants a child, abortion laws have absolutely no effect whatsoever. Nobody goes to a doctor and has them tell them.

"Sorry madam, but due to the new law, we have to abort your baby regardless of health."

But anti-abortion laws do dictate the lives of others and personally prevents the choice of those who do not wish to have children. Unlike the above, there are doctors who can say.

"Sorry, but due to the law, regardless of your position, we can't allow you to abort your baby."

The idea of calling it "baby killing" is really the height of ignorance. It's a woman's right to her own body and if one is going to deny that right, they better offer some damn good incentives. Otherwise, the entirely argument is literally.

"Screw your choice and your body, have this thing you don't want and just accept it"
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There is an intent to kill the living baby, not always an "object", with abortion. Other than that honestly I don't know much on the topic. All I'll say is that it's not black and white.

For example, if a woman is raped, and the woman waits a long time before she decides she doesn't want the baby, then I don't think abortion is right.

Gets complicated with all the specific circumstances and personal morals
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I do enjoy how Trump supporters do everything in their power to dodge criticising things he says or does in favour of blaming everything on Obama or Hillary.

Is it not very telling that people aren't willing to confront their leader and instead have to discredit others to make him sound less...f***ing terrible?

WHAT ABOUT OBAMA'S GOLF TRIPS THOUGH, HE WAS ON HOLIDAY ALL THE TIME.



It is truly astonishing to me how weak people are in regards to Trump, so few people on the right can bring themselves to say anything bad about him like he has a gun to their head telling them what to say.

And with some of the verbal diarrhoea that comes out, perhaps that is what happens.

You don't have to paint Trump as a bad person he does that job himself, with all the class of a kindergärtner.


With how patriotic people are over there I have no idea why people don't go nuts over the Russia stuff. He's literally lied about meeting with them and all that s*** and blocked your own press from seeing what was said.
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There is an intent to kill the living baby, not always an "object", with abortion. Other than that honestly I don't know much on the topic. All I'll say is that it's not black and white.

For example, if a woman is raped, and the woman waits a long time before she decides she doesn't want the baby, then I don't think abortion is right.

Gets complicated with all the specific circumstances and personal morals
What if the reason she waited so long is because the abortion clinics that could have helped her were forcibly closed down by the government because of your very logic?

Does it not fall upon anti-abortion advocates why she waited so long then?
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Because he's literally Hitler / a white supremacist / a Russian agent / a well-done steak lover / a tiny-hands having person / etc...

At this point, people who still cling to things such as the "Russian conspiracy," yet favor individuals such as Bernie Sanders, a moron who supports and idolizes communist regimes such as the Soviet Union and global embarrassments such as Venezuela, or Hillary Clinton, a woman who's taken money from several Middle Eastern countries for her campaign and was supported by foreign interest groups such as the Muslim Brotherhood, Carlos Slim, etc... ("It's not collusion if we like it!") are beyond saving. Trump certainly isn't perfect, by any means, but he's a hell of a better alternative than Bernie or Hillary.
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