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White Supremacy Riot/Rally
Tweet Topic Started: Aug 13 2017, 10:17 PM (1,988 Views)
Wolf	Aug 14 2017, 04:04 PM Post #16
Shadow Realm > Posts: 5,538 Group: Street Fighter Member #6,410 Joined: June 27, 2011 Gender Not Specified Country South Africa Favourite Anime Berserk What Browser do you use? 18+ Favourite Manga Berserk	Yu Narukami Aug 14 2017, 03:46 PM Sandy Shore Aug 14 2017, 03:41 PM lazerbem Aug 14 2017, 04:13 AM Well when you cater to their type, it's expected for this to happen. Unite the right indeed. Right, don't mention that when you don't cater to ~~anti~~fascists and Black Lives Matter groups you can expect violent riots, violent protests, and even kidnappings, apparently. Let's just continue to pretend that Trump supporters support white supremacists and this kind of violence, that seems more characteristic lately of the groups opposing them and all those that voted differently to them. Quote: I feel like there's a marked difference between BLM which was spawned out of unjust shootings and of the neo-nazis which were spawned because they're Confederate traitors to the nation(since the whole mess started with being upset that a statue of Robert E. Lee was being moved to a museum). I also would note that in sheer numbers, BLM doesn't compare either in terms of damage done. Which is to say, you think the marked difference is that you think they're justified. Right? Just come out and say so. Compare the reason the two groups exist and you'll see the difference. Whether either of them are justified or not, BLM has much more right existing as a movement than White supremacists or Neo-Nazis ever did and ever will. I fully agree with Drew on this. BLM stands for the fight for equality within the black community. There's a clear and definite problem with racism here in America and they are trying to shed light on that fact. Whether it be racial profiling, being treated unjustly, etc., that is what they stand for. This Neo Nazi/white supremacist group has no business or right to exist. They wish to only spread hate towards all minorities and further drive them into the ground. It is nothing but a hate group that should be eliminated ASAP. In no way, shape, or form do these two groups have anything in common. In fact, it's pretty sad to see that people need to go that far to try and end a movement showing how racist America really is. Again, THERE IS NEVER A REASON FOR A RACIAL HATE GROUP TO COME ABOUT.
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~~Doggo Champion 2k17~~	Aug 14 2017, 04:05 PM Post #17
Posts: 7,931 Group: GTFO Member #6,380 Joined: June 20, 2011 Country United States Favourite Anime here comes What Browser do you use? o shit waddup! Favourite Manga dat boi	Technically both have a right to exist as political movements, but BLM is definitely more justified in existing, sure. The neo-nazi movement is based predominately on hatred and discrimination against minorities, while BLM was meant to gain more rights for a certain minority group. When you take them at face value, one could be considered morally good, while the other is very obviously morally wrong. Since then, though, both movements have become violent and cancerous. Equally so, it could be argued. I think that's where the comparison lies. Neither is accomplishing anything, and any real goals that the BLM set out to accomplish have been swept around the rug due to the way the movement seems to conduct itself.



+ Sandy Shore	Aug 14 2017, 04:11 PM Post #18
Posts: 1,860 Group: Elite Member Member #12,337 Joined: May 18, 2015	... Edited by Sandy Shore, Nov 7 2017, 08:28 AM.



* Yu Narukami	Aug 14 2017, 04:14 PM Post #19
Izanagi! Posts: 12,330 Group: Retired Staff Member #6,446 Joined: July 3, 2011 Gender Not Specified Country None	Sandy Shore Aug 14 2017, 04:11 PM Yu Narukami Aug 14 2017, 03:46 PM Compare the reason the two groups exist and you'll see the difference. Whether either of them are justified or not, BLM has much more right existing as a movement than White supremacists or Neo-Nazis ever did and ever will. Regardless of what they appear to stand for, a violent, thuggish group that pushes a false narrative to justify its actions has absolutely no right existing as far as I'm concerned. If you think it does, then fair enough, I guess. Please, that's a false equivalency. There are violent and deplorable people within the BLM movement, sure, but the core message of the group and the many genuine, good people who are part of it still push for change, be it acknowledgement of the racism within the country, or holding police officers who are racist to account. Where are those kinds of people within the white supremacist and neo-nazi movement? And regarding Trump supporters, nobody's saying that they're all white supremacists. It's just...issues like this clearly aren't deal-breakers to them.



+ Sandy Shore	Aug 14 2017, 04:40 PM Post #20
Posts: 1,860 Group: Elite Member Member #12,337 Joined: May 18, 2015	... Edited by Sandy Shore, Nov 7 2017, 08:28 AM.



Wolf	Aug 14 2017, 04:41 PM Post #21
Shadow Realm > Posts: 5,538 Group: Street Fighter Member #6,410 Joined: June 27, 2011 Gender Not Specified Country South Africa Favourite Anime Berserk What Browser do you use? 18+ Favourite Manga Berserk	How can you say a civil rights activist group fighting for racial equality in America is not legitimate or good?
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* Yu Narukami	Aug 14 2017, 04:49 PM Post #22
Izanagi! Posts: 12,330 Group: Retired Staff Member #6,446 Joined: July 3, 2011 Gender Not Specified Country None	Sandy Shore Aug 14 2017, 04:40 PM Yu Narukami Aug 14 2017, 04:14 PM Please, that's a false equivalency. There are violent and deplorable people within the BLM movement, sure, but the core message of the group and the many genuine, good people who are part of it still push for change, be it acknowledgement of the racism within the country, or holding police officers who are racist to account. Where are those kinds of people within the white supremacist and neo-nazi movement? I never once said they're equals in morality or taste. So, no, no false equivalency. You all seem to think Back Lives Matter are somehow legitimate and good (because the other is worse?); I say neither is legitimate or good. Quote: And regarding Trump supporters, nobody's saying that they're all white supremacists. It's just...issues like this clearly aren't deal-breakers to them. You're implying it. Right now, even. It doesn't have to be a deal-breaker for them because Trump neither called for nor organised it. It had nothing to do with him, and no grounds to suppose everyone who voted for him condones or wants this. This game is old and boring now. Everyone but dogmatic leftists can see that. Come on, man, you totally implied it with your statement 'describing' both of the groups. Their cause is a good one, bringing light to the deep-seated racism that rears its head daily in America. There are bad people and elements within the movement, but there are good elements and people too. People can highjack movement's names for their own ends; can you tell me where Black Lives Matter officially endorses and advertises the acts of violence and 'thuggery' that you say occur as a part of it? There aren't any good people in white supremacist/neo-nazi groups, that's the difference. You won't find a 'good' white supremacist or a 'good' neo-nazi, because their core beliefs are vile and full of hatred. Also, no. They're perfectly fine with Trump not condemning white supremacists and neo-nazis when he was specifically asked to. Edited by Yu Narukami, Aug 14 2017, 04:50 PM.



lazerbem	Aug 14 2017, 05:50 PM Post #23
Posts: 10,662 Group: Forum Moderator Member #10,435 Joined: November 1, 2013 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime Asura's Wrath(it counts) What Browser do you use? Google Chrome	Quote: Right, don't mention that when you don't cater to antifascists and Black Lives Matter groups you can expect violent riots, violent protests, and even kidnappings, apparently. Interestingly enough, the frequency is far less, however. Quote: Let's just continue to pretend that Trump supporters support white supremacists and this kind of violence, that seems more characteristic lately of the groups opposing them and all those that voted differently to them. David Duke supported Trump, does he not count as a Trump supporter anymore? "We are going to fulfill the promises of Donald Trump. That’s what we believed in. That’s why we voted for Donald Trump, because he said he’s going to take our country back" He changed his tune when Trump finally got his act together and offered a proper denunciation, but it does seem like there are many Trump supporters who do in fact support that. And if not, then it's not a deal breaker to be associated with them. Quote: Which is to say, you think the marked difference is that you think they're justified. Right? Just come out and say so. The Confederates were rebellious states who got put down because they were upset over the very idea of slavery possibly going away, I see no issue in thinking that whining about their glory days is unjustified Quote: Since then, though, both movements have become violent and cancerous. Equally so, it could be argued. I think that's where the comparison lies. Neither is accomplishing anything, and any real goals that the BLM set out to accomplish have been swept around the rug due to the way the movement seems to conduct itself. Going purely by the numbers, it's utterly incomparable. The vast majority of terrorism in the United States ever since 9/11 has been conducted by ilk of the white supremacists and extreme right.
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+ Saiyan Paladin	Aug 14 2017, 05:55 PM Post #24
Posts: 1,920 Group: Elite Member Member #10,232 Joined: September 21, 2013 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime Dragon Ball Kai, Yu Yu Hakusho What Browser do you use? Firefox, Chrome Favourite Manga Dragon Ball, Berserk	King Gattsu Aug 14 2017, 04:41 PM How can you say a civil rights activist group fighting for racial equality in America is not legitimate or good? I was unaware that denigrating and condemning whole groups of people based off of their skin color counted as fighting for racial equality. If that's the case, we should be counting these Neo-Nazi asshats and white supremacist morons as civil rights activists.



lazerbem	Aug 14 2017, 05:58 PM Post #25
Posts: 10,662 Group: Forum Moderator Member #10,435 Joined: November 1, 2013 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime Asura's Wrath(it counts) What Browser do you use? Google Chrome	Paladin Aug 14 2017, 05:55 PM King Gattsu Aug 14 2017, 04:41 PM How can you say a civil rights activist group fighting for racial equality in America is not legitimate or good? I was unaware that denigrating and condemning whole groups of people based off of their skin color counted as fighting for racial equality. If that's the case, we should be counting these Neo-Nazi asshats and white supremacist morons as civil rights activists. Asking for more justice regarding police shootings is denigrating people by skin color? That's an interesting view on the matter.
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~~Doggo Champion 2k17~~	Aug 14 2017, 06:05 PM Post #26
Posts: 7,931 Group: GTFO Member #6,380 Joined: June 20, 2011 Country United States Favourite Anime here comes What Browser do you use? o shit waddup! Favourite Manga dat boi	Quote: Going purely by the numbers, it's utterly incomparable. The vast majority of terrorism in the United States ever since 9/11 has been conducted by ilk of the white supremacists and extreme right. I'm not saying you're wrong, but can you provide examples of this? I'm more curious than anything. I also wasn't insinuating that they were exactly equal; rather, they're both extremely cancerous and have been shown to react violently. To back up Paladin, BLM has caused the deaths of several police officers. Edited by Doggo Champion 2k17, Aug 14 2017, 06:06 PM.



lazerbem	Aug 14 2017, 06:12 PM Post #27
Posts: 10,662 Group: Forum Moderator Member #10,435 Joined: November 1, 2013 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime Asura's Wrath(it counts) What Browser do you use? Google Chrome	Overly Facetious Goblin Aug 14 2017, 06:05 PM Quote: Going purely by the numbers, it's utterly incomparable. The vast majority of terrorism in the United States ever since 9/11 has been conducted by ilk of the white supremacists and extreme right. I'm not saying you're wrong, but can you provide examples of this? I'm more curious than anything. I also wasn't insinuating that they were exactly equal; rather, they're both extremely cancerous and have been shown to react violently. To back up Paladin, BLM has caused the deaths of several police officers. The Extremist Crime Database made some calcs on the numbers, here's a PBS article on it http://www.pbs.org/newshour/updates/analysis-deadly-threat-far-right-extremists-overshadowed-fear-islamic-terrorism/ Right wing terrorism takes up the majority of attacks, but causes less death than its contender Islamic terrorism because those tend to go "bigger" for lack of better word. Leftist terrorism isn't even a blip on the radar by comparison to the sheer volume of right wing inclined terrorism. It's like comparing a splinter in your foot to a spear being jammed through your gut. Sure, both technically pieces of wood stabbing into you, but very silly to compare them. Some more famous examples are Dylan Roof and the sovereign citizen movement, who are responsible for various police shootings(and are in fact considered the largest threat to police and one of the greatest threats domestically by the FBI) Edited by lazerbem, Aug 14 2017, 06:14 PM.
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+ Saiyan Paladin	Aug 14 2017, 06:13 PM Post #28
Posts: 1,920 Group: Elite Member Member #10,232 Joined: September 21, 2013 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime Dragon Ball Kai, Yu Yu Hakusho What Browser do you use? Firefox, Chrome Favourite Manga Dragon Ball, Berserk	lazerbem Aug 14 2017, 05:58 PM Paladin Aug 14 2017, 05:55 PM King Gattsu Aug 14 2017, 04:41 PM How can you say a civil rights activist group fighting for racial equality in America is not legitimate or good? I was unaware that denigrating and condemning whole groups of people based off of their skin color counted as fighting for racial equality. If that's the case, we should be counting these Neo-Nazi asshats and white supremacist morons as civil rights activists. Asking for more justice regarding police shootings is denigrating people by skin color? That's an interesting view on the matter. Shooting 5 police officers in Dallas, the riots in Milwaukee with them screaming 'f*** whitey!' while burning down their town, condemning other chapters of BLM for having a peaceful BBQ with their local police. It's interesting to think that would somehow help push for equality. I don't know, with all the riots going on every week, it's hard to believe anyone cares about actual equality at this point. Everything I've seen on any of these groups has lead me to believe they only care about superiority, not equality. I mean, I certainly don't disagree that black people are disproportionately affected by police in the U.S., I just disagree with the way people have gone about protesting the injustices.



lazerbem	Aug 14 2017, 06:20 PM Post #29
Posts: 10,662 Group: Forum Moderator Member #10,435 Joined: November 1, 2013 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime Asura's Wrath(it counts) What Browser do you use? Google Chrome	The fact that there isn't more of that means that your view is probably wrong on just how much violence there is. Certainly, it pales next to white supremacist attacks, if 5 cops at a time(tragic indeed, nonetheless) is the worst that can be mustered. Just with Dylann Roof alone, that's almost twice as many dead. Now include every other extreme right terrorist.
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+ Saiyan Paladin	Aug 14 2017, 06:25 PM Post #30
Posts: 1,920 Group: Elite Member Member #10,232 Joined: September 21, 2013 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime Dragon Ball Kai, Yu Yu Hakusho What Browser do you use? Firefox, Chrome Favourite Manga Dragon Ball, Berserk	Is this a contest for how many bodies one side has to pile up before we can condemn them?



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