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Pikkolo VS Boo Saga
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StrenuousSpider	Aug 20 2017, 02:30 AM Post #16
Posts: 2,085 Group: Member Member #13,372 Joined: July 11, 2016 Gender Male Country United States	Goddess Ultimecia Aug 20 2017, 02:27 AM There is the possibility that I don't view increases the same way you do. So why would pikkon only get 4x stronger with fusion thats absolutely absurd. And even with potara that is extremely low considering both are significantly stronger then base goku and vegeta.



+ Emmeth	Aug 20 2017, 02:59 AM Post #17
I ♥ Yoeri Posts: 20,075 Group: Legend Member #8,985 Joined: February 7, 2013 Country Japan	StrenuousSpider Aug 20 2017, 02:30 AM Goddess Ultimecia Aug 20 2017, 02:27 AM There is the possibility that I don't view increases the same way you do. So why would pikkon only get 4x stronger with fusion thats absolutely absurd. And even with potara that is extremely low considering both are significantly stronger then base goku and vegeta. How do we know he's stronger than SPC? He could've just caught him off-guard.
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StrenuousSpider	Aug 20 2017, 03:07 AM Post #18
Posts: 2,085 Group: Member Member #13,372 Joined: July 11, 2016 Gender Male Country United States	Emmeth Aug 20 2017, 02:59 AM StrenuousSpider Aug 20 2017, 02:30 AM Goddess Ultimecia Aug 20 2017, 02:27 AM There is the possibility that I don't view increases the same way you do. So why would pikkon only get 4x stronger with fusion thats absolutely absurd. And even with potara that is extremely low considering both are significantly stronger then base goku and vegeta. How do we know he's stronger than SPC? He could've just caught him off-guard. Cell was about to fight goku so i dont think his guard was down. And even of he had his guard dow Cell is not the only one to be hit like that anyway. All the way back to reditz and many others and they never stayed out of the picture.



Goddess Ultimecia	Aug 20 2017, 08:18 PM Post #19
Posts: 10,145 Group: RP Moderator Member #8,473 Joined: October 26, 2012 Gender Male Country None	StrenuousSpider Aug 20 2017, 02:30 AM Goddess Ultimecia Aug 20 2017, 02:27 AM There is the possibility that I don't view increases the same way you do. So why would pikkon only get 4x stronger with fusion thats absolutely absurd. And even with potara that is extremely low considering both are significantly stronger then base goku and vegeta. I just don't have absurdly large gaps between Base, SSJ, SSJ2 and SSJ3.
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StrenuousSpider	Aug 20 2017, 08:56 PM Post #20
Posts: 2,085 Group: Member Member #13,372 Joined: July 11, 2016 Gender Male Country United States	Goddess Ultimecia Aug 20 2017, 08:18 PM StrenuousSpider Aug 20 2017, 02:30 AM Goddess Ultimecia Aug 20 2017, 02:27 AM There is the possibility that I don't view increases the same way you do. So why would pikkon only get 4x stronger with fusion thats absolutely absurd. And even with potara that is extremely low considering both are significantly stronger then base goku and vegeta. I just don't have absurdly large gaps between Base, SSJ, SSJ2 and SSJ3. 50.2.4 thats it with exception of gt. But to have any fusion only making them 4x stronger is just insane.



Goddess Ultimecia	Aug 20 2017, 10:33 PM Post #21
Posts: 10,145 Group: RP Moderator Member #8,473 Joined: October 26, 2012 Gender Male Country None	StrenuousSpider Aug 20 2017, 08:56 PM Goddess Ultimecia Aug 20 2017, 08:18 PM StrenuousSpider Aug 20 2017, 02:30 AM Goddess Ultimecia Aug 20 2017, 02:27 AM There is the possibility that I don't view increases the same way you do. So why would pikkon only get 4x stronger with fusion thats absolutely absurd. And even with potara that is extremely low considering both are significantly stronger then base goku and vegeta. I just don't have absurdly large gaps between Base, SSJ, SSJ2 and SSJ3. 50.2.4 thats it with exception of gt. But to have any fusion only making them 4x stronger is just insane. I work with 5.2.4 in the Boo arc.
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StrenuousSpider	Aug 21 2017, 03:40 AM Post #22
Posts: 2,085 Group: Member Member #13,372 Joined: July 11, 2016 Gender Male Country United States	Goddess Ultimecia Aug 20 2017, 10:33 PM StrenuousSpider Aug 20 2017, 08:56 PM Goddess Ultimecia Aug 20 2017, 08:18 PM StrenuousSpider Aug 20 2017, 02:30 AM Goddess Ultimecia Aug 20 2017, 02:27 AM There is the possibility that I don't view increases the same way you do. So why would pikkon only get 4x stronger with fusion thats absolutely absurd. And even with potara that is extremely low considering both are significantly stronger then base goku and vegeta. I just don't have absurdly large gaps between Base, SSJ, SSJ2 and SSJ3. 50.2.4 thats it with exception of gt. But to have any fusion only making them 4x stronger is just insane. I work with 5.2.4 in the Boo arc. Dbz has a 50x multiplier not a 5 i dont understand why you even think 5 is ok. Goku 1 Ssj 5 Ssj2 10 Ssj3 40 That would put ssj2 inferior to kaioken whicg is not the case.



Goddess Ultimecia	Aug 21 2017, 05:16 AM Post #23
Posts: 10,145 Group: RP Moderator Member #8,473 Joined: October 26, 2012 Gender Male Country None	Mostly due to Toriyama not even envisioning SSJ as a 50x multiplier, regardless of how Namek worked out, it's clear in later arcs that the boost was not consistent. By the time of the Boo arc, I have it at 5x. Kaio-Ken was largely forgotten until quite literally within the past two years.
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Thiln	Aug 21 2017, 05:41 AM Post #24
Posts: 2,481 Group: Member Member #12,166 Joined: March 23, 2015 Gender Male Favourite Anime Dragon Ball, Attack on Titan What Browser do you use? Google Chrome Favourite Manga Hokuto no Ken, Berserk, Dragon Ball, Rurouni Kenshin, Attack on Titan, Kuroshitsuji	You know the fact Dyspo's technique speed was stated to be thousands of times greater than normal gives us a more definable range on how much the Potara Earrings increases Vegetto's power. If you believe the manga's statement about Vegetto having plausibly surpassed Beerus and compare it to Champa's confusion when he admits to not registering Dyspo's attacks at his maximum speed, it sounds like the multiplier might be in the single digit thousands somewhere. On the other hand, SSJB Goku and Hit with his Time-Skip reacting to said speed does put a damper on this theory. It doesn't make sense either way. I consider Pikkon's strength to be comparable with Gohan's at the Cell Games. In round 1, he has reduce his power down to roughly half of its maximum. Together they defeat everything up until confronted with SSJ Gotenks before training. Potara is much more potent a fusion style. I think they could make it to Super Buu and SSJ3 Gotenks, if they're really lucky then Mystic Gohan might not be impossible.



StrenuousSpider	Aug 21 2017, 01:49 PM Post #25
Posts: 2,085 Group: Member Member #13,372 Joined: July 11, 2016 Gender Male Country United States	Goddess Ultimecia Aug 21 2017, 05:16 AM Mostly due to Toriyama not even envisioning SSJ as a 50x multiplier, regardless of how Namek worked out, it's clear in later arcs that the boost was not consistent. By the time of the Boo arc, I have it at 5x. Kaio-Ken was largely forgotten until quite literally within the past two years. Nothing suggest its a small 5x after namik. Unless you believe namik goku > yardrat goku or freiza > androids. Toriyama pretty muvh made it a 50x when offical PL of namik have goku from 3mill to 150mil.



Goddess Ultimecia	Aug 22 2017, 08:33 PM Post #26
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Notaka	Aug 22 2017, 09:20 PM Post #27
Always Wright Posts: 4,070 Group: Member Member #10,814 Joined: January 31, 2014 Country Algeria What Browser do you use? Waterfox Favourite Manga Dragon Ball, JoJo no kimyou na bouken, One piece, currently reading Shaman King	How strong is Pikkon, really ? He was fighting evenly with Cell Saga SSJ Goku, but also knocked out SPC. One could say that SPC was suppressed, since he was going to fight Goku and that Pikkon got a sneak hit. I'm going to assume that Pikkon is SSJ CG Goku Level. Round 1:Pikkon is stronger than Piccolo by a lot, so he'd have to power down to Piccolo's level, which is around a Cell Jr IMO. Since they seem to be similar, I'd assume that the fusion would be quite powerful. If you go by Base Gotenks(post rosat) being as strong as SSJ3 Goku, Pikkolo, being formed of components much stronger than Goten and Trunks in their base, would logically be much stronger than Base Gotenks. IMO you'd have a being that easily surpass Kid Buu. Still below SSJ Gotenks. Round 2:The Potara fusion is a much better fusion than the Metamoran one. First, Pikkon doesn't have to power down to Piccolo's level, which is a huge benefit compared to the fusion dance, and it seems that the effect is greater than the fusion dance. It's safe to say that Pikkolo is stronger than SSJ Gotenks(Post-Rosat). I'm not sure about Super Buu, but I think that Pikkolo is below him.
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StrenuousSpider	Aug 22 2017, 09:29 PM Post #28
Posts: 2,085 Group: Member Member #13,372 Joined: July 11, 2016 Gender Male Country United States	Notaka Aug 22 2017, 09:20 PM How strong is Pikkon, really ? He was fighting evenly with Cell Saga SSJ Goku, but also knocked out SPC. One could say that SPC was suppressed, since he was going to fight Goku and that Pikkon got a sneak hit. I'm going to assume that Pikkon is SSJ CG Goku Level. Round 1:Pikkon is stronger than Piccolo by a lot, so he'd have to power down to Piccolo's level, which is around a Cell Jr IMO. Since they seem to be similar, I'd assume that the fusion would be quite powerful. If you go by Base Gotenks(post rosat) being as strong as SSJ3 Goku, Pikkolo, being formed of components much stronger than Goten and Trunks in their base, would logically be much stronger than Base Gotenks. IMO you'd have a being that easily surpass Kid Buu. Still below SSJ Gotenks. Round 2:The Potara fusion is a much better fusion than the Metamoran one. First, Pikkon doesn't have to power down to Piccolo's level, which is a huge benefit compared to the fusion dance, and it seems that the effect is greater than the fusion dance. It's safe to say that Pikkolo is stronger than SSJ Gotenks(Post-Rosat). I'm not sure about Super Buu, but I think that Pikkolo is below him. Pikkon also held his own against super kaioken goku. And was stomping ssj goku so being equal to pikkon weighted is plausible but pikkon non weighted is definitely high ssj2 teir. Sneak attack or not many people have been sneak attacked and where not out for the count.



Notaka	Aug 22 2017, 09:34 PM Post #29
Always Wright Posts: 4,070 Group: Member Member #10,814 Joined: January 31, 2014 Country Algeria What Browser do you use? Waterfox Favourite Manga Dragon Ball, JoJo no kimyou na bouken, One piece, currently reading Shaman King	StrenuousSpider Aug 22 2017, 09:29 PM Notaka Aug 22 2017, 09:20 PM How strong is Pikkon, really ? He was fighting evenly with Cell Saga SSJ Goku, but also knocked out SPC. One could say that SPC was suppressed, since he was going to fight Goku and that Pikkon got a sneak hit. I'm going to assume that Pikkon is SSJ CG Goku Level. Round 1:Pikkon is stronger than Piccolo by a lot, so he'd have to power down to Piccolo's level, which is around a Cell Jr IMO. Since they seem to be similar, I'd assume that the fusion would be quite powerful. If you go by Base Gotenks(post rosat) being as strong as SSJ3 Goku, Pikkolo, being formed of components much stronger than Goten and Trunks in their base, would logically be much stronger than Base Gotenks. IMO you'd have a being that easily surpass Kid Buu. Still below SSJ Gotenks. Round 2:The Potara fusion is a much better fusion than the Metamoran one. First, Pikkon doesn't have to power down to Piccolo's level, which is a huge benefit compared to the fusion dance, and it seems that the effect is greater than the fusion dance. It's safe to say that Pikkolo is stronger than SSJ Gotenks(Post-Rosat). I'm not sure about Super Buu, but I think that Pikkolo is below him. Pikkon also held his own against super kaioken goku. And was stomping ssj goku so being equal to pikkon weighted is plausible but pikkon non weighted is definitely high ssj2 teir. Sneak attack or not many people have been sneak attacked and where not out for the count. Held his own ? I don't remember. I remember that Goku went Kaioken, and punched him into a nearby moon.The next scene shows Goku outside of kaioken. And no, Pikkon wasn't stomping Goku. He was fighting him evenly, maybe had a slight advantage against him, but that's definitely nowhere near SSJ2 tier. If anything, High SSJ1 tier fits more. Pikkon had definitely surprised a suppressed SPC. Cell was going for base Goku wanting to have a good fight, but he didn't expect Pikkon to step in.
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StrenuousSpider	Aug 22 2017, 09:54 PM Post #30
Posts: 2,085 Group: Member Member #13,372 Joined: July 11, 2016 Gender Male Country United States	Notaka Aug 22 2017, 09:34 PM StrenuousSpider Aug 22 2017, 09:29 PM Notaka Aug 22 2017, 09:20 PM How strong is Pikkon, really ? He was fighting evenly with Cell Saga SSJ Goku, but also knocked out SPC. One could say that SPC was suppressed, since he was going to fight Goku and that Pikkon got a sneak hit. I'm going to assume that Pikkon is SSJ CG Goku Level. Round 1:Pikkon is stronger than Piccolo by a lot, so he'd have to power down to Piccolo's level, which is around a Cell Jr IMO. Since they seem to be similar, I'd assume that the fusion would be quite powerful. If you go by Base Gotenks(post rosat) being as strong as SSJ3 Goku, Pikkolo, being formed of components much stronger than Goten and Trunks in their base, would logically be much stronger than Base Gotenks. IMO you'd have a being that easily surpass Kid Buu. Still below SSJ Gotenks. Round 2:The Potara fusion is a much better fusion than the Metamoran one. First, Pikkon doesn't have to power down to Piccolo's level, which is a huge benefit compared to the fusion dance, and it seems that the effect is greater than the fusion dance. It's safe to say that Pikkolo is stronger than SSJ Gotenks(Post-Rosat). I'm not sure about Super Buu, but I think that Pikkolo is below him. Pikkon also held his own against super kaioken goku. And was stomping ssj goku so being equal to pikkon weighted is plausible but pikkon non weighted is definitely high ssj2 teir. Sneak attack or not many people have been sneak attacked and where not out for the count. Held his own ? I don't remember. I remember that Goku went Kaioken, and punched him into a nearby moon.The next scene shows Goku outside of kaioken. And no, Pikkon wasn't stomping Goku. He was fighting him evenly, maybe had a slight advantage against him, but that's definitely nowhere near SSJ2 tier. If anything, High SSJ1 tier fits more. Pikkon had definitely surprised a suppressed SPC. Cell was going for base Goku wanting to have a good fight, but he didn't expect Pikkon to step in. Held his own or not he took vary little damage from that hit. Pikkon was indeed beating goku. Goku was not able to win until he saw the flaw in Pikkons move which left him wide open. But i guess goku being confident that he would beat cell means nothing.



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