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When people try to dismiss you as a "GT fanboy" when almost nobody likes GT
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We have been over these several and i meam several times and so have others you dont listen you write it off as PIS there is literally no need for me to prove you wrong for the literal 4th or 5th time.
You've never responded to any of these arguments, nor have you proven me wrong ever. These are things that happened in the series, they can't be argued. I don't believe everything is PIS, but you wont accept anything as PIS. Too bad, if you were to say it was PIS that would be the only argument you could make against it, but like I said, you don't accept anything as PIS xD
I dont use pis if there is evidence in the show shown before or later that works. And yes i have proved you wrong but again you just write it off and ignore it. And yes all i here from you is either head canon or pis.
I said this isn't PIS, so what's your excuse for my aforementioned evidence? What head-canons? All you ever do is complain that PIS is never valid but then you yourself do mental gymnastics like the apologist you are to compensate for the inconsistencies within the show.
Mental gymnastics lol thats funny. I have several times but for the love of god just go back to he other topics if you want know. was getting suspended make you forget what was said. Every time i proved you wrong on those you came at me with head canon and pis.
All you did was mental gymnastics and say you responded to things that you haven't. Your excuse for everything is "ki control" and "he was suppressed" you didn't respond to those arguments I posted as you didn't reply to them here or on the topic I made about them.
I have many times. But whatever no point in arguing with you anymore same bulls*** Every time.
You haven't, that's why you didn't reply on that thread. You're just running away cause you can't address my arguments. I never said it was PIS. I reported you by the way. Learn how to be civil.
Report i dont really care. You tell me to be civil but what exactly did you get suspended for. What was the warning for right for being uncivil. Im not running im not going to repeat myself for the 4th time. If you cant see that then i cant help you. Maybe if you did not ignore everything ive said you would know ive answered everyone of your arguments in past topics.
You never addressed it though, that's the thing, you started with me anyways
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You've never responded to any of these arguments, nor have you proven me wrong ever. These are things that happened in the series, they can't be argued. I don't believe everything is PIS, but you wont accept anything as PIS. Too bad, if you were to say it was PIS that would be the only argument you could make against it, but like I said, you don't accept anything as PIS xD
I dont use pis if there is evidence in the show shown before or later that works. And yes i have proved you wrong but again you just write it off and ignore it. And yes all i here from you is either head canon or pis.
I said this isn't PIS, so what's your excuse for my aforementioned evidence? What head-canons? All you ever do is complain that PIS is never valid but then you yourself do mental gymnastics like the apologist you are to compensate for the inconsistencies within the show.
Mental gymnastics lol thats funny. I have several times but for the love of god just go back to he other topics if you want know. was getting suspended make you forget what was said. Every time i proved you wrong on those you came at me with head canon and pis.
All you did was mental gymnastics and say you responded to things that you haven't. Your excuse for everything is "ki control" and "he was suppressed" you didn't respond to those arguments I posted as you didn't reply to them here or on the topic I made about them.
I have many times. But whatever no point in arguing with you anymore same bulls*** Every time.
You haven't, that's why you didn't reply on that thread. You're just running away cause you can't address my arguments. I never said it was PIS. I reported you by the way. Learn how to be civil.
Report i dont really care. You tell me to be civil but what exactly did you get suspended for. What was the warning for right for being uncivil. Im not running im not going to repeat myself for the 4th time. If you cant see that then i cant help you. Maybe if you did not ignore everything ive said you would know ive answered everyone of your arguments in past topics.
You never addressed it though, that's the thing, you started with me anyways
But i did thats the problem. If you dont remember, ignored, or never read it its not my problem its yours.
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I dont use pis if there is evidence in the show shown before or later that works. And yes i have proved you wrong but again you just write it off and ignore it. And yes all i here from you is either head canon or pis.
I said this isn't PIS, so what's your excuse for my aforementioned evidence? What head-canons? All you ever do is complain that PIS is never valid but then you yourself do mental gymnastics like the apologist you are to compensate for the inconsistencies within the show.
Mental gymnastics lol thats funny. I have several times but for the love of god just go back to he other topics if you want know. was getting suspended make you forget what was said. Every time i proved you wrong on those you came at me with head canon and pis.
All you did was mental gymnastics and say you responded to things that you haven't. Your excuse for everything is "ki control" and "he was suppressed" you didn't respond to those arguments I posted as you didn't reply to them here or on the topic I made about them.
I have many times. But whatever no point in arguing with you anymore same bulls*** Every time.
You haven't, that's why you didn't reply on that thread. You're just running away cause you can't address my arguments. I never said it was PIS. I reported you by the way. Learn how to be civil.
Report i dont really care. You tell me to be civil but what exactly did you get suspended for. What was the warning for right for being uncivil. Im not running im not going to repeat myself for the 4th time. If you cant see that then i cant help you. Maybe if you did not ignore everything ive said you would know ive answered everyone of your arguments in past topics.
You never addressed it though, that's the thing, you started with me anyways
But i did thats the problem. If you dont remember, ignored, or never read it its not my problem its yours.
If it existed you would've copied and pasted it by now. Copy and paste it or shut up.
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I said this isn't PIS, so what's your excuse for my aforementioned evidence? What head-canons? All you ever do is complain that PIS is never valid but then you yourself do mental gymnastics like the apologist you are to compensate for the inconsistencies within the show.
Mental gymnastics lol thats funny. I have several times but for the love of god just go back to he other topics if you want know. was getting suspended make you forget what was said. Every time i proved you wrong on those you came at me with head canon and pis.
All you did was mental gymnastics and say you responded to things that you haven't. Your excuse for everything is "ki control" and "he was suppressed" you didn't respond to those arguments I posted as you didn't reply to them here or on the topic I made about them.
I have many times. But whatever no point in arguing with you anymore same bulls*** Every time.
You haven't, that's why you didn't reply on that thread. You're just running away cause you can't address my arguments. I never said it was PIS. I reported you by the way. Learn how to be civil.
Report i dont really care. You tell me to be civil but what exactly did you get suspended for. What was the warning for right for being uncivil. Im not running im not going to repeat myself for the 4th time. If you cant see that then i cant help you. Maybe if you did not ignore everything ive said you would know ive answered everyone of your arguments in past topics.
You never addressed it though, that's the thing, you started with me anyways
But i did thats the problem. If you dont remember, ignored, or never read it its not my problem its yours.
If it existed you would've copied and pasted it by now. Copy and paste it or shut up.
Why would i. Just go to one of the several topics you brought this up. Im not going to go through all the comments to appease you when you should have read them then.
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Mental gymnastics lol thats funny. I have several times but for the love of god just go back to he other topics if you want know. was getting suspended make you forget what was said. Every time i proved you wrong on those you came at me with head canon and pis.
All you did was mental gymnastics and say you responded to things that you haven't. Your excuse for everything is "ki control" and "he was suppressed" you didn't respond to those arguments I posted as you didn't reply to them here or on the topic I made about them.
I have many times. But whatever no point in arguing with you anymore same bulls*** Every time.
You haven't, that's why you didn't reply on that thread. You're just running away cause you can't address my arguments. I never said it was PIS. I reported you by the way. Learn how to be civil.
Report i dont really care. You tell me to be civil but what exactly did you get suspended for. What was the warning for right for being uncivil. Im not running im not going to repeat myself for the 4th time. If you cant see that then i cant help you. Maybe if you did not ignore everything ive said you would know ive answered everyone of your arguments in past topics.
You never addressed it though, that's the thing, you started with me anyways
But i did thats the problem. If you dont remember, ignored, or never read it its not my problem its yours.
If it existed you would've copied and pasted it by now. Copy and paste it or shut up.
Why would i. Just go to one of the several topics you brought this up. Im not going to go through all the comments to appease you when you should have read them then.
You never addressed it, it's obvious
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You guys are seriously arguing that SSB=SSJ2? Yet we know for a fact that SSB>SSJ3. That alone debunks it. Not once is it implied that the god forms are inferior to SSJ2-3.
And yes Super>GT because of feats. There's literally no reason to just argue feats and use just power scaling.
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Regardless of anyone's beliefs, no matter how ridiculous they may seem to you (this goes for both sides) namecalling is uncalled for. Be respectful, attack the argument, not the person. Do not tell each other to shut up or to get lost.

I get that it can be frustrating if you think the person is completely wrong, but engage on a reasonable level, and if you feel the need to insult them, just walk away and return later with a cooler head. And if someone insults you, don't start responding in kind.

Before you start posting again to continue this, make sure you're debating with a clear head and without anger, exasperation, or malice.
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You guys are seriously arguing that SSB=SSJ2? Yet we know for a fact that SSB>SSJ3. That alone debunks it. Not once is it implied that the god forms are inferior to SSJ2-3.
And yes Super>GT because of feats. There's literally no reason to just argue feats and use just power scaling.
Feats are inconsistent so no and having feats doesn't mean being stronger by default. I gave my reasons proving SSB is not much stronger than SSJ2. "b-But that's ridiculous" is not an argument, it's a logical fallacy in fact.
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You guys are seriously arguing that SSB=SSJ2? Yet we know for a fact that SSB>SSJ3. That alone debunks it. Not once is it implied that the god forms are inferior to SSJ2-3.
And yes Super>GT because of feats. There's literally no reason to just argue feats and use just power scaling.
Feats are inconsistent so no and having feats doesn't mean being stronger by default. I gave my reasons proving SSB is not much stronger than SSJ2. "b-But that's ridiculous" is not an argument, it's a logical fallacy in fact.
So because there are some inconsistency with supers feats means gt is stronger. Yet GTs feats are just as inconsistent. Nova burning goku yet he was hit with just as hot and even hotter stuff in dragonball. Could barely lift a piece pf a building. The clock tower incident. All this and yet he is only 10x weaker then a guy who can destroy the universe with a chain reaction. Kid goku durability > GT goku durability by feats. And it i remember correctly the universe shaking punches where in the movie, anime, and manga. So its one of the more trust worthy feats. It happened thats that. Lets skip forward a bit. Zamasu was literally able to take over tge universe in a matter pf seconds and some say multiverse. Where dose omega even come close to that. Which in turn makes ssb goku and vegeta above all of GT as they where able to hurt zamasu even just a little wheres ssj4 goku and vegeta could do nothing to omega.
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You guys are seriously arguing that SSB=SSJ2? Yet we know for a fact that SSB>SSJ3. That alone debunks it. Not once is it implied that the god forms are inferior to SSJ2-3.
And yes Super>GT because of feats. There's literally no reason to just argue feats and use just power scaling.
Feats are inconsistent so no and having feats doesn't mean being stronger by default. I gave my reasons proving SSB is not much stronger than SSJ2. "b-But that's ridiculous" is not an argument, it's a logical fallacy in fact.
So because there are some inconsistency with supers feats means gt is stronger. Yet GTs feats are just as inconsistent. Nova burning goku yet he was hit with just as hot and even hotter stuff in dragonball. Could barely lift a piece pf a building. The clock tower incident. All this and yet he is only 10x weaker then a guy who can destroy the universe with a chain reaction. Kid goku durability > GT goku durability by feats. And it i remember correctly the universe shaking punches where in the movie, anime, and manga. So its one of the more trust worthy feats. It happened thats that. Lets skip forward a bit. Zamasu was literally able to take over tge universe in a matter pf seconds and some say multiverse. Where dose omega even come close to that. Which in turn makes ssb goku and vegeta above all of GT as they where able to hurt zamasu even just a little wheres ssj4 goku and vegeta could do nothing to omega.
Zamasu became the universe because he was immortal and no longer had a body, that's not a feat. You sound like the people who say Beerus>Omega Shenron because "DURR Shenron wuz scared of Beerus" SSG feat is moot, it was visual flare, it never happened again. SSJ4 actually proves to be stronger than previous forms. Whereas SSB is barely above SSJ2 going by feats. You can write that off as "ridiculous" all you want, the evidence is there. I forget the name but dismissing something as "ridiculous" without saying why is a logical fallacy, learn how to debate kiddo.

edit: It's called Appeal to the stone
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You guys are seriously arguing that SSB=SSJ2? Yet we know for a fact that SSB>SSJ3. That alone debunks it. Not once is it implied that the god forms are inferior to SSJ2-3.
And yes Super>GT because of feats. There's literally no reason to just argue feats and use just power scaling.
Feats are inconsistent so no and having feats doesn't mean being stronger by default. I gave my reasons proving SSB is not much stronger than SSJ2. "b-But that's ridiculous" is not an argument, it's a logical fallacy in fact.
So because there are some inconsistency with supers feats means gt is stronger. Yet GTs feats are just as inconsistent. Nova burning goku yet he was hit with just as hot and even hotter stuff in dragonball. Could barely lift a piece pf a building. The clock tower incident. All this and yet he is only 10x weaker then a guy who can destroy the universe with a chain reaction. Kid goku durability > GT goku durability by feats. And it i remember correctly the universe shaking punches where in the movie, anime, and manga. So its one of the more trust worthy feats. It happened thats that. Lets skip forward a bit. Zamasu was literally able to take over tge universe in a matter pf seconds and some say multiverse. Where dose omega even come close to that. Which in turn makes ssb goku and vegeta above all of GT as they where able to hurt zamasu even just a little wheres ssj4 goku and vegeta could do nothing to omega.
Zamasu became the universe because he was immortal and no longer had a body, that's not a feat. You sound like the people who say Beerus>Omega Shenron because "DURR Shenron wuz scared of Beerus" SSG feat is moot, it was visual flare, it never happened again. SSJ4 actually proves to be stronger than previous forms. Whereas SSB is barely above SSJ2 going by feats. You can write that off as "ridiculous" all you want, the evidence is there. I forget the name but dismissing something as "ridiculous" without saying why is a logical fallacy, learn how to debate kiddo.

edit: It's called Appeal to the stone
That is a feat if you like it or not. Your ssj2 and blue argument is flawed to a T but no need to discuss it again. And no its not a moot feat when goku stops hurting the universe and beerus is surprised he learned so fast. Ssg was proven to be stronger. And ssb is stated to be stronger end of that debate. Again gt gokus durability is below kid gokus going by feats. Several times super has been shown to be superior. Especially in the near future. And the Shenron moment is a great example as well. If shenron can create someone as powerful as omega shenron why be scared of someone so weak answer me that question and dont use plot as shenron being scared did not continue the story but hault it. You are in no way shape or form to be telling someone else how to debate.
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I think this thread proves we take this stuff way more seriously than Toriyama ever did (myself included).

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You guys are seriously arguing that SSB=SSJ2? Yet we know for a fact that SSB>SSJ3. That alone debunks it. Not once is it implied that the god forms are inferior to SSJ2-3.
And yes Super>GT because of feats. There's literally no reason to just argue feats and use just power scaling.
Feats are inconsistent so no and having feats doesn't mean being stronger by default. I gave my reasons proving SSB is not much stronger than SSJ2. "b-But that's ridiculous" is not an argument, it's a logical fallacy in fact.
So because there are some inconsistency with supers feats means gt is stronger. Yet GTs feats are just as inconsistent. Nova burning goku yet he was hit with just as hot and even hotter stuff in dragonball. Could barely lift a piece pf a building. The clock tower incident. All this and yet he is only 10x weaker then a guy who can destroy the universe with a chain reaction. Kid goku durability > GT goku durability by feats. And it i remember correctly the universe shaking punches where in the movie, anime, and manga. So its one of the more trust worthy feats. It happened thats that. Lets skip forward a bit. Zamasu was literally able to take over tge universe in a matter pf seconds and some say multiverse. Where dose omega even come close to that. Which in turn makes ssb goku and vegeta above all of GT as they where able to hurt zamasu even just a little wheres ssj4 goku and vegeta could do nothing to omega.
Zamasu became the universe because he was immortal and no longer had a body, that's not a feat. You sound like the people who say Beerus>Omega Shenron because "DURR Shenron wuz scared of Beerus" SSG feat is moot, it was visual flare, it never happened again. SSJ4 actually proves to be stronger than previous forms. Whereas SSB is barely above SSJ2 going by feats. You can write that off as "ridiculous" all you want, the evidence is there. I forget the name but dismissing something as "ridiculous" without saying why is a logical fallacy, learn how to debate kiddo.

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That is a feat if you like it or not. Your ssj2 and blue argument is flawed to a T but no need to discuss it again. And no its not a moot feat when goku stops hurting the universe and beerus is surprised he learned so fast. Ssg was proven to be stronger. And ssb is stated to be stronger end of that debate. Again gt gokus durability is below kid gokus going by feats. Several times super has been shown to be superior. Especially in the near future. And the Shenron moment is a great example as well. If shenron can create someone as powerful as omega shenron why be scared of someone so weak answer me that question and dont use plot as shenron being scared did not continue the story but hault it. You are in no way shape or form to be telling someone else how to debate.
No it's not a feat, especially since stronger fighters can't do it. Only reason he could do it is because he had no body, it has nothing to do with power. It's not flawed to a T, you just keep using appeal to the stone fallacy and saying "I debunked it" you keep responding but then when I ask you to simply copy and paste it you wont, why? Cause you never addressed it. Stronger fighters never learned that technique and the universe still didn't shake, it's visual flare, as I said. And using that feat to say Super characters are stronger is just cheap. It's no different if I say Baby>>>>Super because Goku said Baby was his strongest opponent up until now. Different continuities. SSB was SHOWN TO NOT BE MUCH STRONGER THAN SSJ2, MULTIPLE TIMES. The Shenron moment is a great example? Omfg >.> You're either incredibly uneducated or just stupid. Omega Shenron is a byproduct of the black star Dragon balls. They're not the same Shenron. King Piccolo killed Shenron. By your logic King Piccolo>>>>Omega Shenron. I swear you'll use any argument that backs up your position, no matter how flawed. LEARN HOW TO DEBATE kiddo....
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I don't really get the point of the topic. You can be a fanboy of something even if no one elses likes said thing.
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