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Why do people want to pretend that the power scaling in this show makes sense and isn't PIS?
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Aug 2 2017, 05:34 AM
Yeah I never understood that. Trunks trained a little with vegeta going from from ssj2 goku power level to anywhere near ssjb goku was pretty crazy. He's a hybrid with no tail should him being really strong I guess is fine but it's the jump in power that has almost thought behind it
I never liked that either. A lot of the powerscaling in the Zamasu arc makes little to no sense. It was rage boost central too.
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This should be locked or whatever it is. Its just going to be the other topics all over again. Honestly go to a different form if you are just going to make the same topics which are going to lead to the same bulls*** and plot excuse. Or simply drop the whole head canon and plot excuses and have a normal discussion like everyone else on this site that is revolved around discussing Dragonball,Z,GT, and super.
I do when the power scaling is consistent, but when it's not then I'm not going to. Cause really at that point you're just believing what you want and downplaying evidence to the contrary. If you're so confident in your logic then why are you ducking the question?
Im not ducking anything. Im asking you why do you keep making the same s*** knowing what people are going to say. Then going around and say its plot. Stop making these topics they are the same and will turn into the same stuff as the others.
Answer then, why didn't the blast kill Trunks? Why do you pretend the power-scaling makes sense in this show?
Never said it did. In some cases it dose in others it dose not.
And like i said black had beat up goku before hand. Goku was not KOed. Zamasu a ssj2 level was able to hold onto goku and over power him. Black was also not trying to kill them he was toying with them like he did trunks. But thats not the point here because i can guess the exact response thats going to come from you. But like i said just stop making the same topics which are going yo lead to the same discussion as all the others you've started.
Not possible. Blue Goku>>>>>SSJ2 Trunks. They were hit by the exact same attack but it has the same effect on them both? No. It knocked them both out. If it could only ko Trunks than Goku should be unphazed. If it can ko Goku than it should vaporize Trunks. So it's a direct contradiction
Just go to the other topic for this.
Ok, I destroyed your argument there. Just a heads up
Lol, I do find it funny everyone you confront with this dodges this question like influenza.
I answered it fine im not going yo answer it in two diffrent topics. Every conversation with this guy boils down to the same old s***.
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This should be locked or whatever it is. Its just going to be the other topics all over again. Honestly go to a different form if you are just going to make the same topics which are going to lead to the same bulls*** and plot excuse. Or simply drop the whole head canon and plot excuses and have a normal discussion like everyone else on this site that is revolved around discussing Dragonball,Z,GT, and super.
I do when the power scaling is consistent, but when it's not then I'm not going to. Cause really at that point you're just believing what you want and downplaying evidence to the contrary. If you're so confident in your logic then why are you ducking the question?
Im not ducking anything. Im asking you why do you keep making the same s*** knowing what people are going to say. Then going around and say its plot. Stop making these topics they are the same and will turn into the same stuff as the others.
Answer then, why didn't the blast kill Trunks? Why do you pretend the power-scaling makes sense in this show?
Never said it did. In some cases it dose in others it dose not.
And like i said black had beat up goku before hand. Goku was not KOed. Zamasu a ssj2 level was able to hold onto goku and over power him. Black was also not trying to kill them he was toying with them like he did trunks. But thats not the point here because i can guess the exact response thats going to come from you. But like i said just stop making the same topics which are going yo lead to the same discussion as all the others you've started.
Not possible. Blue Goku>>>>>SSJ2 Trunks. They were hit by the exact same attack but it has the same effect on them both? No. It knocked them both out. If it could only ko Trunks than Goku should be unphazed. If it can ko Goku than it should vaporize Trunks. So it's a direct contradiction
Just go to the other topic for this.
Ok, I destroyed your argument there. Just a heads up
Lol, I do find it funny everyone you confront with this dodges this question like influenza.
I answered it fine im not going yo answer it in two diffrent topics. Every conversation with this guy boils down to the same old s***.
You say that yet even I haven't seen it lol. But if you did, you shouldn't have a problem saying it for me since I'm not him.
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You know what's funny? This tournament isn't the first time where characters were arguably weakened in some capacity for their opponents to look impressive by comparison. At Baba's tournament, Dracula Man was powerful enough to avoid Krillin's attack and then plunge his fangs into the ex-monk's cranium. Fast forward to Upa and Puar, however, and you can see how the latter's transformation abilities are potent enough to resist Dracula Man's bite followed up by striking him into the surrounding lake. It's one of the few isolated times where the weaker fighters defeated the stronger through tactics and weakness exploitation.
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Just before the blast hit Goku quickly put his arm and leg in front of Trunks. We weren't shown it but t happened for sure.
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Well, apparently SSJ2 Trunks isn't significantly weaker than Blue Goku. Funnily enough, Trunks offered to beat Black on his own right before Vegeta and Goku went to fight him, so it seems clear to me that training with Vegeta made him much stronger. I mean, if Gohan can get as strong as current blue Goku in like half a day, training with Piccolo, surely Trunks could get super strong by training with Blue Vegeta for a short period of time. I'll agree, it's stupid, but I don't think the series is inconsistent in regards how characters compare. It's inconsistent in regards how things scale. Certain characters in Dragon Ball Z did get ridiculous power ups in short periods of time, I.E. Piccolo getting stronger than Nail by simply meditating on Kaio's planet, but it's never been this bad, I don't think. Granted, this could be being blown out of proportion since we don't really know how Goku's power works after having absorbed God, which either way is a problem.
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Gohan didn't have half a day of training. He and piccolo had been training together since the end of RF no?
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Aug 2 2017, 05:12 PM
Gohan didn't have half a day of training. He and piccolo had been training together since the end of RF no?
On and off, apparently. Piccolo did tell Trunks he wasn't a fighter, and not to bother with bringing him to help. Regardless, Gohan's ultimate power seemed to be the same as it was against Boo, so Gohan clearly received a substantial boost.
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This should be locked or whatever it is. Its just going to be the other topics all over again. Honestly go to a different form if you are just going to make the same topics which are going to lead to the same bulls*** and plot excuse. Or simply drop the whole head canon and plot excuses and have a normal discussion like everyone else on this site that is revolved around discussing Dragonball,Z,GT, and super.
I do when the power scaling is consistent, but when it's not then I'm not going to. Cause really at that point you're just believing what you want and downplaying evidence to the contrary. If you're so confident in your logic then why are you ducking the question?
Im not ducking anything. Im asking you why do you keep making the same s*** knowing what people are going to say. Then going around and say its plot. Stop making these topics they are the same and will turn into the same stuff as the others.
Answer then, why didn't the blast kill Trunks? Why do you pretend the power-scaling makes sense in this show?
Never said it did. In some cases it dose in others it dose not.
And like i said black had beat up goku before hand. Goku was not KOed. Zamasu a ssj2 level was able to hold onto goku and over power him. Black was also not trying to kill them he was toying with them like he did trunks. But thats not the point here because i can guess the exact response thats going to come from you. But like i said just stop making the same topics which are going yo lead to the same discussion as all the others you've started.
Not possible. Blue Goku>>>>>SSJ2 Trunks. They were hit by the exact same attack but it has the same effect on them both? No. It knocked them both out. If it could only ko Trunks than Goku should be unphazed. If it can ko Goku than it should vaporize Trunks. So it's a direct contradiction
Just go to the other topic for this.
Ok, I destroyed your argument there. Just a heads up
Lol, I do find it funny everyone you confront with this dodges this question like influenza.
I answered it fine im not going yo answer it in two diffrent topics. Every conversation with this guy boils down to the same old s***.
You failed, I only say PIS when the power scaling doesnt work. Same old s***? Your excuse is always "Duhhh ki control, he was suppressed" it's nonsense
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Well, apparently SSJ2 Trunks isn't significantly weaker than Blue Goku. Funnily enough, Trunks offered to beat Black on his own right before Vegeta and Goku went to fight him, so it seems clear to me that training with Vegeta made him much stronger. I mean, if Gohan can get as strong as current blue Goku in like half a day, training with Piccolo, surely Trunks could get super strong by training with Blue Vegeta for a short period of time. I'll agree, it's stupid, but I don't think the series is inconsistent in regards how characters compare. It's inconsistent in regards how things scale. Certain characters in Dragon Ball Z did get ridiculous power ups in short periods of time, I.E. Piccolo getting stronger than Nail by simply meditating on Kaio's planet, but it's never been this bad, I don't think. Granted, this could be being blown out of proportion since we don't really know how Goku's power works after having absorbed God, which either way is a problem.
Not buying it, they didnt train anywhere near long enough and they were also about the same in power when Trunks went ikari. Hell, even Zamasu was pretty much equal to black.
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Just before the blast hit Goku quickly put his arm and leg in front of Trunks. We weren't shown it but t happened for sure.
Lol no, either way it still hit Trunks
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Want to know why people don't shout 'PIS' constantly?

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Yeah, where you just shout "ki control" and "he was suppressed" constantly. Especially when you dont want to believe fighter X is blue tier. All you're really doing is cherry-picking and deciding how strong a character is compared to blue depending on how much you like them. There's no real logic when it comes to where they're placed. Downplaying feats and saying stuff like "she's more durable than powerful" you say you want to discuss things but then when I show you how the feats are contradictory you just ignore it.
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Im not ducking anything. Im asking you why do you keep making the same s*** knowing what people are going to say. Then going around and say its plot. Stop making these topics they are the same and will turn into the same stuff as the others.
Answer then, why didn't the blast kill Trunks? Why do you pretend the power-scaling makes sense in this show?
Never said it did. In some cases it dose in others it dose not.
And like i said black had beat up goku before hand. Goku was not KOed. Zamasu a ssj2 level was able to hold onto goku and over power him. Black was also not trying to kill them he was toying with them like he did trunks. But thats not the point here because i can guess the exact response thats going to come from you. But like i said just stop making the same topics which are going yo lead to the same discussion as all the others you've started.
Not possible. Blue Goku>>>>>SSJ2 Trunks. They were hit by the exact same attack but it has the same effect on them both? No. It knocked them both out. If it could only ko Trunks than Goku should be unphazed. If it can ko Goku than it should vaporize Trunks. So it's a direct contradiction
Just go to the other topic for this.
Ok, I destroyed your argument there. Just a heads up
Lol, I do find it funny everyone you confront with this dodges this question like influenza.
I answered it fine im not going yo answer it in two diffrent topics. Every conversation with this guy boils down to the same old s***.
You failed, I only say PIS when the power scaling doesnt work. Same old s***? Your excuse is always "Duhhh ki control, he was suppressed" it's nonsense
If you think so lol. You use pis when ever you cant put two things together.
Goku has ki control and can suppress himself that is fact. We know being beaten up makes you lose power that is fact. Zamasu a ssj2 level overpowering a weakend ssb goku that is fact. Black was toying with them this is fact. Trunks was not beat as bad as goku that is fact. Put it all together we get a logical reason of why the black kamea wave did not kill them. You run to pis when ever you can't put things together. Because just a little bit of effort is to STRENUOUS!

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Want to know why people don't shout 'PIS' constantly?

This is a forum where we discuss the series.
Yeah, where you just shout "ki control" and "he was suppressed" constantly. Especially when you dont want to believe fighter X is blue tier. All you're really doing is cherry-picking and deciding how strong a character is compared to blue depending on how much you like them. There's no real logic when it comes to where they're placed. Downplaying feats and saying stuff like "she's more durable than powerful" you say you want to discuss things but then when I show you how the feats are contradictory you just ignore it.
No one ignores anything. Ive brought in countless feats of broly in that form tanking this he should not be ables to. And i dont know about you but i really enjoy both kale and caulifa so your point is invalid. And yes suppressed is vary logical because goku has not gone full power since black arc.
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