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| + Ssj3vegito96 | Jul 30 2017, 10:15 AM Post #1 |
 
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I have a question about human vs ape strength From what I hear and understand chimps are typically stronger than humans because their central nervous system isn't as complex as ours and they have more of an all or nothing kind of strength But I've heard that chimps are WAY stronger than humans. But here's the thing. The average human is not in the best shape yet they are capable of amazing feats like lifting cars, running really fast, etc., when their fight or flight mode kicks in. Now imagine what a bodybuilder or power lifter is capable of And then I wondered about chimps. Here's my question. Are they really that much stronger than humans because of their central nervous system or could it also have a lot to do with them using fight or flight mode more often? I imagine they do tap into that adrenaline a lot more often than we do because they're apes and apes go apes*** all the time because they're so irritable So how much stronger would you say chimps actually are than body builders and power lifters? Edited by Ssj3vegito96, Jul 30 2017, 10:16 AM.
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| Darker | Jul 30 2017, 10:35 AM Post #2 |
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I mean, keep in mind adult chimps can get REALLY beefy. A human's natural reaction would be to run away if it encountered such an animal in an agressive state. That's why we were given more leg strength, unlike our primitive ape relatives who are nothing but muscle in their upper body. We also needed to stand upright while these guys are just fine walking on four.  We don't know exactly how much stronger they are than humans, or if even the strongest human ever could beat one of them (maybe a chimp or a bonobo), because they hit really low and because we're not quite as fearless as they can get. They're a lot stronger than the average human, that's for sure. lazer made a rant about this so he could probably specify a bit more. Edited by Darker, Jul 30 2017, 10:35 AM.
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| lazerbem | Jul 31 2017, 11:16 PM Post #3 |
 
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No, actually a chimp is on par with a human in strength. It's much stronger in proportion but chimps are shrimpy little guys so it cancels out. Chimp is probably more dangerous than the average man though because its bite is far more devastating and ultimately, that'll do more in a fight than mere blunt force. Now up against a trained fighter, I'd say it's probably about even with the chimp having the fangs to help it out but the trained fighter actually knowing how to kill something(whereas chimps are notoriously s*** at that). People say chimps are way stronger, but that's because "people" also believe that chimps weigh 200 lbs on average and are the size of a man ala Planet of the Apes when the reality is a chimp is half the size of a man. Now, to answer your question why chimps are stronger proportionally, it's because humans are optimized for dexterous muscle control(for instance, a human can actually make a fist while no other ape can. This is very important to human existence as we know it).
Probably significantly weaker actually but they'd still do well in a fight because humans suck at fighting unless trained at it.
Apes have had their ferocity drastically overrated. If one saw a human flipping out, hooting and screaming at it, I'd bet on the ape in question probably being intimidated(humans look very scary because they're very tall). Also, on the subject of gorillas. Gorillas are much stronger than humans because they are about twice the size.  Even if a lot of it is dedicated to their gut, it's still a huge weight advantage and humans already really suck at parity sizes barring a few exceptions. |
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| Darker | Jul 31 2017, 11:49 PM Post #4 |
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You could probably use that as an example with most animals. Plenty of large and fierce predators get scared away by smaller animals for many reasons. I'm not sure the average joe (or even an expert on the matter) would try to intimidate a gorilla when the possibility of pissing off the animal exists. Walking away from possible conflict seems like the smarter idea. |
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| + Ssj3vegito96 | Aug 1 2017, 04:27 AM Post #5 |
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Great post lazerbem thanks for that Idk aren't there stories where people have tried to swing sticks at chimps and it didn't do anything to them? Also the one thing I'd be the most paranoid about is chimps being notorious for reaching for people's balls lol |
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| lazerbem | Aug 1 2017, 05:02 AM Post #6 |
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I know, but ascribing any particular ferocity to apes just seems misguided. Chimps and gorillas are really not particularly aggressive. The big fights you hear of are more just showing off and bluffing than anything else. Chimps have a specifically bad reputation because of their wars but that's something very recent and caused by human influence on their environment.
I've never heard of any. Also, another reason for that is that humans have big brains relative to body size, so being concussed is a bigger problem than with most animals.
Why can't a human also do that? The more you look at a chimp and a human, the more you realize that the chimp's edge lies mostly in being low to the ground(while having similar strength) and its teeth, but not much else.  The chimp is the one on the right. |
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| Darker | Aug 1 2017, 10:45 AM Post #7 |
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Grabbing a chimp by the balls? Sure it'd be easy given how big they are, but that's like one of the worst ways to anger an animal. Don't try that at home, kids. |
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| StrenuousSpider | Aug 1 2017, 05:32 PM Post #8 |
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Size has nothing to do with strength. The Neanderthal who are shorter and only slightly bigger where much much stronger then any human. There muscles where strong enough to smash stones easily. Bones morphed from the strain there muscles gave off. And no chinps are much stronger then a man. Until you show me evidence of a man throwing a golf kart effortlessly theb we are not equals. Its been estimated they are 5 to 8 times stronger than man. And gorillas are around 8 to 15 times a man. |
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| Darker | Aug 1 2017, 05:43 PM Post #9 |
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Shorter, yes, but they were bulkier and had thicker muscles than us homo sapiens. And of course size has a lot to do with strength. Why else do you think an elephant is one of the strongest animals of our time? The more weight you pack the harder you hit with your big muscles, except for a few sellect examples. |
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| lazerbem | Aug 1 2017, 05:57 PM Post #10 |
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I'm 90% sure you're making that up.
Actually that was more from getting stomped on a lot. Their bones are similar to a rodeo rider's in that they're so busted up from hoofed animals stepping on them. Neanderthals are stronger than humans because they have a deeper chest and larger shoulders, but it wouldn't be a big difference. It'd be kind of like how the average man is taller than a woman, but some women are taller than men or equal to them; it's a general truth but not hard and fast. Another thing, the Neanderthal is only stronger in some respects. A human can throw something with far more force and precision than any Neanderthal could. So while the Neanderthal might outgrapple the average person, an average human could probably move their arms overhand with more strength. The Neanderthal is only stronger in some ways, just like how humans are stronger in some ways. Honestly, a Neanderthal and human are so similar that it'd be kind of a toss-up either way.
Throwing a golf cart? You've been watching too many movies. No gorilla nor chimp has ever done that. Also, those estimations are utter junk popped out by pop science. What about you give me evidence? I've already posted a study from Yale, so give me something at least on par. Edited by lazerbem, Aug 1 2017, 06:02 PM.
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| Darker | Aug 1 2017, 06:06 PM Post #11 |
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Also, 15x stronger than a human? The most I've heard is 10x. |
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| lazerbem | Aug 1 2017, 06:10 PM Post #12 |
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I've seen children's books with that number. It's a tragic mistake. |
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| Darker | Aug 1 2017, 06:20 PM Post #13 |
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That explains it. |
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| StrenuousSpider | Aug 2 2017, 02:01 AM Post #14 |
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Believe what you want im not here to debate. |
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| lazerbem | Aug 2 2017, 02:24 AM Post #15 |
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 In the Other Versus section? One specifically to decide who wins what and why another loses?
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