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| Dankness Lava | Aug 1 2017, 04:33 PM Post #61 |
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I stand corrected. |
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| + Pointer | Aug 1 2017, 04:55 PM Post #62 |
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What you quoted was a parable of jesus. That has nothing to do with his behaviour with his discipline. It was a figure of speech. Besides. I love when you use quotes out of context
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Aug 1 2017, 04:57 PM Post #63 |
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Do explain why I'm wrong instead of reverting to baseless accusations. |
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| + Ssj3vegito96 | Aug 1 2017, 05:53 PM Post #64 |
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Weren't slave and servant defined differently at the time in Hebrew? There's a video I watched one time that I have to look for. Some professor was talking about how in newer translations of the bible the word slave is used a lot more and gives the wrong impression about how things actually were or something like that |
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Aug 1 2017, 06:18 PM Post #65 |
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Regardless of the word used, it is made very clear throughout the bible that these slaves/servants were whipped, beaten, and treated like dirt. It's difficult to justify it just because it's in the good book. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/greg-carey/slavery-and-the-bible_b_880756.html https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Bible_and_slavery#Slavery_in_the_New_Testament Edited by Doggo Champion 2k17, Aug 1 2017, 06:21 PM.
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| EMIYA | Aug 1 2017, 06:21 PM Post #66 |
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"I am the bone of my sword."
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Slavery wasn't really any different than it would be later. It was the persecution and enslavement (no duh) of an individual's rights and forced into work by another person. If the slave was lucky they might have a kind "master" and if they were really lucky, they might even become a sort overseer to the rest of the slaves, kind of like how one servant might have authority over lesser servants. If they were REALLY lucky, they might even get control over the land they worked on. But this doesn't change the fact that they were still treated as lesser beings and even to get to the last part I mentioned took time, effort and a lot of luck. |
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| + Ssj3vegito96 | Aug 1 2017, 06:40 PM Post #67 |
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It is different though This is a long video but the guy gives a lot of background and details on the history https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EUOsBQYuZ9g He studies ancient languages and also goes over how the "slave" life was not really like what we think of it Edited by Ssj3vegito96, Aug 1 2017, 06:42 PM.
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Aug 1 2017, 08:08 PM Post #68 |
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Can you summarize in your own words why you believe that the bible discourages slavery? There is not a single passage that I can refer to that would support this claim, and I really don't feel like listening to an hour plus lecture by a pseudo-scholar. Peter Williams has debated with Bart Ehrman in the past and lost horribly, so I'm not one to trust his credibility as a scholar. Bart Ehrman took his studies so literally, it cost him his faith; he is factual and extremely thorough. Peter Williams, on the other hand, is known for twisting and conflating the bible and its history to fit whatever agenda he is pushing. Of course a scholar who clings tightly to his own faith would use whatever facts necessary to make the bible look better, but what it really boils down to is this: If god is all-powerful, all-knowing, the most intelligent being in the universe, etc. couldn't he have made the bible (i.e. his holy word) more clear about these matters? It would have been relatively easy for him to have "inspired" a writer to put "oh, and by the way, slavery is bad" (put more eloquently, of course), yet he didn't even bother to do that. Not to mention there are historical contradictions, scientific inaccuracies, and a plethora of contradictions that an all-knowing god should have prevented had he been all-knowing. Is Christianity a riddle that only the enlightened are entitled to decipher? I highly doubt it was meant to be; it's just sloppy writing unbenefiting of a god. Edited by Doggo Champion 2k17, Aug 1 2017, 08:13 PM.
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| Dankness Lava | Aug 1 2017, 09:13 PM Post #69 |
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Considering what Christianity is all about, that would actually make plenty sense. |
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Aug 1 2017, 09:27 PM Post #70 |
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Did you want to explain to me what Christianity is all about then? |
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| + Steve | Aug 1 2017, 10:27 PM Post #71 |
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Greetings. I will be your waifu this season.
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Love that quote. Perfectly and simply describes why I refuse to accept a religious take on God. Either God has no control over children being born with bone cancer. Or it has full control and makes them born with it anyway. Why would I worship a weak God or a God that would let innocent children suffer for absolutely no reason? Of course I'd love an afterlife, virtually every day I have an existential crisis knowing that I'll die one day but believing in God to try get in to heaven would just be lying to myself and surely someone worthy of being called God wouldn't fall for it. I get the whole fear of God thing but...it's kind of stupid to have a God you're meant to be scared of isn't it? Anything that would make you live your life in fear of punishment is hardly a respectable being, that is pure cruelty. And if we're meant to be loved by God rather than dominated...where is this love? The afterlife is a pretty cheap gift compared to the horrors in the world and a life of servitude, considering the afterlife is also a life of servitude generally. |
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| Dankness Lava | Aug 1 2017, 11:02 PM Post #72 |
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Having faith. And apparently enough exposure to this faith leads you to answers previously unknown. Apparently. |
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| + Steve | Aug 1 2017, 11:31 PM Post #73 |
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Greetings. I will be your waifu this season.
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I find the concept a bit backwards there. Obviously the idea is that you worship God, you believe God to be real but you worship it knowing full well you may not get reward and that devotion is supposed to be what gets you in to heaven and such, unconditional faith. But at the end of it you still ultimately want that reward anyway? It's still out of self interest at the core is it not, so would it really make any difference if we knew God was real? God gets its worship either way and the insincere probably don't get rewarded. God has left belief in itself at the mercy of human kind knowing full well how stupid we are and thus we have fought each other over it for basically all recorded history and are slowly getting further and further away from believing at all...what is the point in that. |
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| + Son-Goku | Aug 1 2017, 11:46 PM Post #74 |
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I don't get what you're saying here. Can you explain it a bit differently? |
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| + Ssj3vegito96 | Aug 2 2017, 12:25 AM Post #75 |
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@OFG honestly I didn't watch the whole thing either lol only half of it and thought it was interesting The epicurus quote is kinda weird to me “Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?” ― Epicurus there is some evil that is necessary as hard as it is to accept. Imo at least God supposedly has a plan and we have to trust that, again, evil is necessary. He gave us a brain and free will to do with what we want with it evil comes from us. It starts with Adam and Eve. because this is earth not heaven and nobody said this life would be easy. It's up to us to use the free will he gave us and be good. It's not that hard to just be nice and loving. But we aren't I'm tired of this ridiculous logic that god should be taking responsibility for the pain and suffering that WE cause. Where is the lesson in that? Humans always do this. They don't let go of their pride and then they refuse to take responsibility for their actions. That's probably why being too prideful is a sin. You want him to just press backspace or something every time someone does something bad? Or rid us of the ability to do good or evil? What's the point of all this then? Edited by Ssj3vegito96, Aug 2 2017, 12:27 AM.
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