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| The Great Religious Debate of 2017 | |
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| Cal | Aug 15 2017, 05:54 PM Post #211 |
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I may not deserve to live, but I will protect those in my reach with my reverse blade!
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| + Sandy Shore | Aug 15 2017, 05:57 PM Post #212 |
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| Cal | Aug 15 2017, 06:07 PM Post #213 |
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There is a difference in not believing and a lack of a belief though.
I'm not asserting that at all. I even gave Yu Nurakami 2 different options with neither ending in that assertion:
These would not end up with one believing in God, but they also wouldn't end up at atheism, which is the point. Had he agreed I could be right he would have committed a fallacy with his points, but he didn't. |
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| Dankness Lava | Aug 15 2017, 06:08 PM Post #214 |
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What is the difference between lack of belief and not believing then? Did you mean there's a difference between lack of belief in god and believing he doesnt exist? |
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| Cal | Aug 15 2017, 06:12 PM Post #215 |
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A lack of a belief means there is is a neutral state between opposing sides of a belief. Not believing is a rejection of said belief. lol spelling edit Edited by Cal, Aug 15 2017, 06:12 PM.
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| + Sandy Shore | Aug 15 2017, 06:30 PM Post #216 |
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| Sam | Aug 15 2017, 06:39 PM Post #217 |
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It takes a mere second for treasure to turn to trash.
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![]() Play nice or I'll close the damn topic This is to nobody in particular. As I said on page 3, don't get personal. Carry on.
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| Cal | Aug 15 2017, 06:47 PM Post #218 |
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I may not deserve to live, but I will protect those in my reach with my reverse blade!
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![]() I think I'm about done, we are getting to the point of no return. I appreciated the constructive discussion that did occur. Thanks for that. Now I can go away for several months until people forget I exist again. lol |
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Aug 15 2017, 06:53 PM Post #219 |
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Maybe when you return you'll be an atheist again.
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| Strawberry | Aug 15 2017, 09:26 PM Post #220 |
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Well, I guess I'm late for the party D: I just wanted to state that I'm still not entirely sure about the point Cal wanted to discuss regarding the application of the word atheism. If I got it right, you're suggesting that if an atheist says they don't believe in God that means they are rejecting a belief, and therefore need to provide evidence to back up the non existence of God? Is that what it is? I'm genuinely not sure. But here's where the confusion seems to be coming from, atheism can be the absence of a belief in deities existing as well as the rejection of the claim that deities exist. One thing doesn't necessarily contradict the other though and what I think you're not grasping is that atheism is always a direct relation to theism's claim that God exists. This type of thing follows a sequential order, which is key in understanding the relationship between the two groups. Atheism isn't asserting that God does not exist, it is rejecting the assertion that has been originally made by theists that he does exist based on lack of evidence. I think Sandy's example was actually very poignant as it was a simple every day situation that illustrated well the difference in claiming something and not believing a claim that has already been made. In that example, someone tells you they've been shot in the head but provide no evidence nor any physical proof of it happening. You saying you don't believe them given the lack of evidence is different than you claiming - "No, I know you haven't been shot, it is impossible". It was the lack of evidence provided by the person who made the claim they had been shot what made you not believe in them, you weren't the one claiming beforehand they had not been shot. Do you see what I mean? I'm really not trying to sound condescending, I'm just genuinely not sure if this is what you meant when you said the word atheism wasn't well applied or if you have another issue that I haven't been able to understand yet. |
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| + Steve | Aug 15 2017, 09:37 PM Post #221 |
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Greetings. I will be your waifu this season.
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The Samhammer comin' in stronk. This is possibly somewhat not on topic but for something else to discuss. Will there ever be a new major religion I wonder? Typically they seem to get squashed by the big guys. If religion is still so prominent in 100 years I wonder if it will be different in any way. Scientology will rule I bet, 'cause science. |
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| + PocketGoggu | Aug 16 2017, 01:20 AM Post #222 |
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Too be fair, Christianity is essentially a good moral code to go ahead, and live by. I have no real problems living by it at the end of the day, and I enjoy living by it. So, at the end of it's a matter of observing what Atheism says which will happen, non existence, comparing it to what Heaven has to say, an afterlife, and I infinitely prefer what Christianity has in store. |
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| Snow | Aug 16 2017, 03:49 AM Post #223 |
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Have you ever questioned why you think that it would be worse? You should realize it doesn't make sense to say that. Some people believe in God because it is what they are used to and they never thought of letting go of the belief. Just the idea to just stop believing in God wouldn't make sense to them, and in my opinion that's fine if you are happy with that. However, there are some people who want to question the things they are told to believe and its not good enough to just accept something if there is no evidence of it. In my opinion it feels more depressing to depend so greatly on something that may not even exist. |
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| + PocketGoggu | Aug 16 2017, 04:06 AM Post #224 |
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Regularly have I questioned my belief, my faith. Heck, I view Hell as hypocritical to what God is at the end of the day, it's why I stated that at the end of the day there's no hard proof to his existence, or nonexistence. There's a reason, which I have already stated in another post on why I don't bother to not believe in God, and Heaven, and Jesus Christ. Because, what Christianity offers, an after life is infinitely more appealing than what the belief known as Atheism offers, after I close my eyes for the last time, nothing. There's nothing more to it than that. |
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| Snow | Aug 16 2017, 04:08 AM Post #225 |
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I am not a religious person, but there is something about God and can't say much about because first of all, whether theist or atheist, there is no one who can really define what God actually is. So whenever a debate about God occurs, everyone is defending their own personal interpretation of what God is or what he isn't. This is also why no one can say if God exists or doesn't exist as a fact. There is evidence against religions being inaccurate now knowing the thing we know about the universe, but we still don't know how the universe came to be. Even the big bang doesnt make sense to me, because it seems almost impossible to just believe and accept that our universe came to be randomly because of an explosion.. the first thing i ask is what caused the explosion? because saying it came out of nowhere is just as hard to accept as saying some supernatural being created it. How can everything be created out of nothing? Also, are we really supposed to believe that there aren't other universes out there besides ours? We may find scientific explanations when it comes to our universe, but it is only limited to our universe and not whats possibly outside of it. |
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