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| The Great Religious Debate of 2017 | |
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| + Pointer | Aug 6 2017, 04:52 PM Post #151 |
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I am pretty sure that back in the day and heck even now theres a good majority of language professors who can speak even ancient summer |
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| + Ginyu | Aug 6 2017, 05:46 PM Post #152 |
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Leve Feyenoord 1!
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The Sumerian language went extinct 2000 BC. So the Sumerian language was to the Romans what Latin is to us. And we don't even know what Latin sounded like, we can only guess. Plus we have lots of technology the Romans didn't have. |
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| + Steve | Aug 6 2017, 06:06 PM Post #153 |
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Greetings. I will be your waifu this season.
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Yeah so there's no way we can have an accurate translation of it now which calls all sorts of things in to question. Heard a good point raised by Ricky Gervais in a video(not sure if it was his originally) If you took all religious material and all science material away, 1000 years later the science material would be back pretty much exactly the same but religion would be completely and utterly different because there's absolutely nothing in the world to support any of them. A handful of books on things that may or may not have happened is a pretty absurd foundation for something that has caused so much conflict. |
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| Cal | Aug 13 2017, 01:02 PM Post #154 |
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I may not deserve to live, but I will protect those in my reach with my reverse blade!
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It is really cool to have read this topic and despite thinking it was a waste of half a cup of coffee getting to come across this one post. I think that witnessing in places like this where the majority of people would consider themselves to be non-theist in whatever aspect is really cool. I feel obligated to post for myself now. -- I believe in God and love God. When I think of God I think of everything this world has. I think of my wife. My child on the way. My parents. My ancestors. My work. Science itself, even. But, why does one believe? Because God has changed my life and I have experienced God in that life. If you try to define God through scientific means or man-made logic you will never grasp him. This is the boundary between man and God. I've cursed God and denied him. I've pretended he didn't exist and honestly believed he didn't in the past. Eventually though, God catches up to you in some way or form. Sometimes through curiosity and sometimes through pure experience. How we react to those times is completely up to ourselves. I'm a man of science and mathematics (Engineer). I'm a man of concrete experience. I'm a man of this world. But, alas I'm a man who believes in a God and am very proud to be so. |
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| Strawberry | Aug 13 2017, 02:51 PM Post #155 |
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^ What do you think is the reason why only a select people can experience that connection to God? Why wouldn't all of God's children be able to experience it if we're all made equals in His image? |
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| Cal | Aug 13 2017, 03:24 PM Post #156 |
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I wouldn't describe it as a personal connection. I would describe it as a door open to anyone who truly wishes to enter. The problem is the door isn't right in front of everyone and it's not a simple path to get to it. Everyone is capable of getting there and even entering but there is a lot of work that goes into getting there. More for some and less for others.
I do believe all is capable of experiencing it though. I just think the work put into it is more-so than the work that goes into other things. |
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| * Yu Narukami | Aug 13 2017, 03:25 PM Post #157 |
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Izanagi!
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How do you attribute those experiences to God? A lot of people have different spiritual experiences, but there's nothing linking them to any kind of Deity. |
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| Cal | Aug 13 2017, 03:35 PM Post #158 |
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That's the thing though, I don't look at the world through clogged lenses. If someone tells me of an experience they had I usually am ok with giving them the benefit of the doubt even if I haven't experienced it. |
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| * Yu Narukami | Aug 13 2017, 03:38 PM Post #159 |
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That doesn't make any sense, though. Why should I give someone the benefit of the doubt when they say their spiritual experience was because of an all-powerful Deity. The experience itself, sure, I can give them the benefit of the doubt, but if they say it's because of a Deity with no kind of evidence whatsoever, I won't. |
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| Cal | Aug 13 2017, 03:41 PM Post #160 |
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You assume the burden of evidence is with the person sharing the experience. In doing so you are dismissing the actual experience, so you're not at all giving the "benefit of the doubt" as you describe in your response.... |
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| * Yu Narukami | Aug 13 2017, 03:42 PM Post #161 |
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Izanagi!
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Yeah, but anyone can have an experience, they'd need evidence to say for definite that it's the result of a Deity instead of, say, their mind. You can believe that an experience occurred without believing in the conclusions that the person who had that experience arrives at. |
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| Copy_Ninja | Aug 13 2017, 03:44 PM Post #162 |
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To be fair, if you're making a claim then the burden of evidence is on you. Though I think this is kind of an impossible debate. Belief in God requires faith and it's something you either have or you don't. If you have faith, any arguments related to absence of evidence etc. aren't going to be persuasive. And vice-verca, if you don't have it then you can't believe in it. Both sides are working on different wavelengths to begin with. |
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| Cal | Aug 13 2017, 03:51 PM Post #163 |
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This is true. I'm simply referring to the fact that you're dismissive of the experience's origin or purpose you're not fully giving someone the benefit of the doubt for the experience because it's part of it.
This is true, but I think it is funny how the non-theist is always a 'default position' and assume the burden of evidence is on the theist. Let us take a look at the first post of this thread..
Note that the 'religious believer' is asked for proof and the non-theist is simply asked why they don't believe. |
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| * Yu Narukami | Aug 13 2017, 03:54 PM Post #164 |
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Izanagi!
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I'm dismissive of the experience's 'origin' because there's no solid evidence for it. I'm not giving them the benefit of the doubt in regards to the origin of the experience, I'm giving them the benefit of the doubt that the experience itself happened in the first place. I don't think that's too unfair or wrong. You can't 'prove' a non-belief in something. God, or any Deity really, is an unfalsifiable hypothesis. Even if we turned over every single stone in this Universe and didn't find anything, there are arguments that God is 'beyond this Universe' or 'exists on a different plane' or something of the sort. |
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| Cal | Aug 13 2017, 04:06 PM Post #165 |
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That's fine and all just don't pretend you're giving the benefit of the doubt of an experience when you're unwilling to entertain certain aspects of it.
Yeah, but that isn't relevant to the 11 pages of discussion or the intent of a thread called "The Great Religious Debate"... I have not used the "You can't prove I'm wrong" nonsense. |
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