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Why is this a weak argument?; "Greatest Scientist believe in God"
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Zoom	Jul 28 2017, 03:29 AM Post #1
Posts: 3,426 Group: Member Member #12,146 Joined: March 16, 2015 Gender Male	There are a lot of missionaries/pastors use this argument "Greatest Scientist believe in God". 1. Why is this a bad argument? 2. How to disprove this argument?



+ Saiyan Paladin	Jul 28 2017, 03:41 AM Post #2
Posts: 1,920 Group: Elite Member Member #10,232 Joined: September 21, 2013 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime Dragon Ball Kai, Yu Yu Hakusho What Browser do you use? Firefox, Chrome Favourite Manga Dragon Ball, Berserk	Which "Great Scientist"? What did said scientist say in regards to God? What gives them their faith?



Zoom	Jul 28 2017, 03:44 AM Post #3
Posts: 3,426 Group: Member Member #12,146 Joined: March 16, 2015 Gender Male	Isaac Newton and James Clark Maxwell amoung others.



Wolf	Jul 28 2017, 04:16 AM Post #4
Shadow Realm > Posts: 5,538 Group: Street Fighter Member #6,410 Joined: June 27, 2011 Gender Not Specified Country South Africa Favourite Anime Berserk What Browser do you use? 18+ Favourite Manga Berserk	There's theories that suggest God and science are one in the same. I know that sounds confusing but, I think it's something along the lines of saying God was the catalyst in the creation of the universe. Everything does follow some order and there are laws that everything that is matter follows. With that being said, there is some evidence of there being an individual of a universal level watching over the events of the universe to make sure things go accordingly. What we view as God could be that but, it's just a theory so, I guess that's why it could be a weaker argument. Edited by Wolf, Jul 28 2017, 04:17 AM.
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Daemon Keido	Jul 28 2017, 04:38 AM Post #5
Warmaster of Chaos Posts: 3,915 Group: RP Moderator Member #6,491 Joined: July 16, 2011 Gender Male Country Canada Favourite Anime Dragonball Z, of course Favourite Manga Currently Toriko	One thing I want to point out: You can be religious and a great scientific mind at the same time. Sometimes, scientists require inspiration to further them along their thought. And despite what some of us may feel about religion specifically, one cannot deny it is often a source of inspiration. After all, it is not unusual to hear even nonreligious scientists refer to the cosmos at large as "the heavens" if only because such flowery language best describes that which a logical description fails to adequately identify for the layman. And yet, it is undeniably still connected to religion at most and spiritual faith at least with such description. So, I don't see it as as inherently weak arguement that great scientists of our past believed in God. It is, however, a weak arguement that such science defaces the glory of God by trying to understand that which we should leave in His understanding alone.
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* Mitas	Jul 28 2017, 09:39 AM Post #6
It truly was a Shawshank redemption Posts: 12,129 Group: Retired Staff Member #2,993 Joined: December 16, 2007 Gender Male Favourite Anime DBZ What Browser do you use? Google Chrome Favourite Manga DBZ, Full Metal Alchemist	It's a weak argument because it doesn't mean anything. It doesn't matter who believes something, it matters why they believe it. Just saying 'scientist x believes in God, so God must be real' isn't helpful to a discussion about whether God exists or not. Scientists believe God is as real as fairies, so put yourself in their shoes: if Stephen Hawking, or any of the world's leading scientists, came out and said 'fairies are real', would you automatically believe them just because of who they are? You'd most likely want evidence to back such a claim, which means it's the evidence that is the key here, and not just the person behind the claim. There's also the fact that much of the world's population is indoctrinated into religion, even more so the further you go back in history. That's not to say they're wrong, but if they are wrong, it would explain why they still try and incorporate religion into their belief system even when their scientific research begins to disprove it.
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~~Doggo Champion 2k17~~	Jul 28 2017, 01:26 PM Post #7
Posts: 7,931 Group: GTFO Member #6,380 Joined: June 20, 2011 Country United States Favourite Anime here comes What Browser do you use? o shit waddup! Favourite Manga dat boi	Not to mention Isaac Newton died in the 1700's and Maxwell died in the 1800's. More people believed in God back then; being an atheist was a rarity. Find me a leading scientist today who believes in God and you would have a different argument. A silly one still, but at least one that makes more sense.



EMIYA	Jul 28 2017, 04:18 PM Post #8
"I am the bone of my sword." Posts: 11,326 Group: Super Moderator Member #8,292 Joined: September 16, 2012 Gender Not Specified Country United States Favourite Anime Clannad, Shinsekai Yori What Browser do you use? Mozilla Firefox Favourite Manga Hellsing, Elfen Lied, Trigun Maximum	Science is always about building upon hypothesis and building up on tests to prove those hypothesis. It's as Mitas said, its about testing those so called beliefs and being able to prove them under a logical argument. Not only would you find it a rare occurrence for any prominent scientist of today to believe in a deity but even those of renowned scientific tastes have had questionable insights into their work. Take for example what many consider to be the father of Modern Psychology, Sigmund Freud. His research on the human psychology are well known and respected throughout the scientific and psychological community He also made up a theory where girls grew envious of penis' and wanted to love their fathers in the hope of birthing a son as it would be the closest thing to them having one. As much respect as Freud gets for pioneering modern psychology, most psychologist think he was out of his mind with this theory, pun not intended. So again, no matter what someone believes, unless you can back that up with logical reasoning, it doesn't really matter. And thus that ideology isn't necessarily going to be accepted by the vast majority or prove anything in the long run. Edited by EMIYA, Jul 28 2017, 04:19 PM.



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