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Best Yugioh Duelists?
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+ Son-Goku	Jul 27 2017, 08:26 PM Post #1
孫悟空 Posts: 13,358 Group: Elite Member Member #12,886 Joined: January 24, 2016 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime DB/DBZ/DBS, Code Geass, Gintama, YYH, Death Note, and SAO. What Browser do you use? Google Chrome Favourite Manga Dragon Ball, Fairy Tail, and Naruto.	Who are the best duelists? You guys can do more than the original, but I'll only do the original because I never finished GX or watched anything beyond that really. 1. Yami Bakura- Not being biased, he proved it in every duel that he was the most skilled. 2. Yugi/Yami Yugi- I'll lug them into together since Yami did most of the dueling, but Kaiba himself said that Yugi was the true King of Games. So Yugi>Yami Yugi and Yugi obviously beat him. 3. Dartz- I mean the guy was taking on both Kaiba and Yugi at the same time. 4. Kaiba- Obviously Kaiba is next, he proved to be on par with Yugi many times. 5. Joey- Not as good as Kaiba, but definitely one of the best. Even Pegasus says that Joey is this good. 6. Rafael- For being one of the few duelists to beat Yugi I'd say he deserves to be this high. The others should have surpassed him. 7. Mai- She was better than Joey at a time if I remember right. 8. Yami Marik- He's kind of a loser, but he proved to be a pretty good duelist. Better than Mai at the time, but inferior to quite a bit of other duelists. Still deserves to be this high. 9. Pegasus- Created the game and with his eye he was even better, I'd say he's definitely below all of these other yos. 10. Alister or that other guy
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+ Pyrus	Jul 27 2017, 09:38 PM Post #2
Posts: 39,342 Group: Legend Member #5,088 Joined: August 1, 2010 Gender Not Specified Country Chile	Quote: 1. Yami Bakura- Not being biased, he proved it in every duel that he was the most skilled. I don't agree. Bakura is a one-trick pony, and doesn't even consider himself a real duelist (which is evident by his duels always having an ulterior motive). If you don't fall into his trap early in the game, he's not that big of a threat. Yami Marik beat him rather easily in their duel, and he had normal Marik's help at the time. This is another case of the anime differing somewhat from the manga, because in the manga, Bakura does not do as well against Yugi and gets straight up gutterstomped by Yami Marik. I mean, don't you ever wonder why Bakura's name never comes up in discussions about good duelists, or when Pegasus named his top 3 in GX? Quote: 2. Yugi/Yami Yugi- I'll lug them into together since Yami did most of the dueling, but Kaiba himself said that Yugi was the true King of Games. So Yugi>Yami Yugi and Yugi obviously beat him. Yugi should be certifiably above Atem. It's made more obscure in the anime, but it was pretty clear in the manga that Yugi was superior. Atem could literally decide which card he wanted to draw next, which was pointed out by Ishizu (I believe it was her?), and Yugi still took him down. Quote: 3. Dartz- I mean the guy was taking on both Kaiba and Yugi at the same time. He should be #1. The fact that he took on Kaiba and Yugi simultaneously and nearly beat them both is enough to justify that. If you think Bakura or Yami Marik could do that, I'd love to know why. If it wasn't for the "INFINITY OVER INFINITY!11!" bulls* that Atem pulled, Dartz would've won. Quote: 6. Rafael- For being one of the few duelists to beat Yugi I'd say he deserves to be this high. The others should have surpassed him. Rafael should be right on Kaiba's coattails. He beat Atem fair and square once, and would have beaten him a second time if he didn't throw the duel out the goodness of his heart. He should certainly be above Joey, who has never beaten Atem/Yugi or Kaiba. Quote: 7. Mai- She was better than Joey at a time if I remember right. It's debatable that she stopped being superior to him during Battle City based on their duels with Yami Marik. But either way, I don't think she should be above Yami Marik. I don't see her taking on two Egyptian Gods and acting like it's no big deal. That said, here's my somewhat outdated list from a while back. Already I'm seeing a lot of s* I should change, but my top 10 from Duel Monsters and GX would be: 1. Dartz 2. Yugi 3. Atem 4. Kaiba 5. Jaden 6. Joey 7. Rafael 8. Bakura 9. Yami Marik 10. Valon I hardly remember the characters from GX, but I know Jaden was doing well against Atem after Battle City 2. I'm sure Darkness and Yubel would be somewhere on the higher end of the list too.
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+ Son-Goku	Jul 27 2017, 09:47 PM Post #3
孫悟空 Posts: 13,358 Group: Elite Member Member #12,886 Joined: January 24, 2016 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime DB/DBZ/DBS, Code Geass, Gintama, YYH, Death Note, and SAO. What Browser do you use? Google Chrome Favourite Manga Dragon Ball, Fairy Tail, and Naruto.	Pyrus Jul 27 2017, 09:38 PM That said, here's my somewhat outdated list from a while back. Already I'm seeing a lot of s*** I should change, but my top 10 from Duel Monsters and GX would be: 1. Dartz 2. Yugi 3. Atem 4. Kaiba 5. Jaden 6. Joey 7. Rafael 8. Bakura 9. Yami Marik 10. Valon I hardly remember the characters from GX, but I know Jaden was doing well against Atem after Battle City 2. I'm sure Darkness and Yubel would be somewhere on the higher end of the list too. Quote: I don't agree. Bakura is a one-trick pony, and doesn't even consider himself a real duelist (which is evident by his duels always having an ulterior motive). If you don't fall into his trap early in the game, he's not that big of a threat. Yami Marik beat him rather easily in their duel, and he had normal Marik's help at the time. This is another case of the anime differing somewhat from the manga, because in the manga, Bakura does not do as well against Yugi and gets straight up gutterstomped by Yami Marik. I mean, don't you ever wonder why Bakura's name never comes up in discussions about good duelists, or when Pegasus named his top 3 in GX? Yami Marik only one the duel because Bakura didn't know the fullness of the egyptian god card, it was a rather cheap trick. Marik one with zero skill. I can't remember the duels in the manga, I don't think I've gotten that far yet. I don't think Bakura's name was ever mentioned in GX because he's dead and he never officially won a duel monsters duel against anyone but Bonz. Quote: Yugi should be certifiably above Atem. It's made more obscure in the anime, but it was pretty clear in the manga that Yugi was superior. Atem could literally decide which card he wanted to draw next, which was pointed out by Ishizu (I believe it was her?), and Yugi still took him down. Ah okay. Quote: He should be #1. The fact that he took on Kaiba and Yugi simultaneously and nearly beat them both is enough to justify that. If you think Bakura or Yami Marik could do that, I'd love to know why. If it wasn't for the "INFINITY OVER INFINITY!11!" bulls* that Atem pulled, Dartz would've won. Okay yeah I agree, Dartz should be number 1. This is the same kind of thing why Bakura is better than Yugi and Kaiba, in the anime at least, imo. Quote: Rafael should be right on Kaiba's coattails. He beat Atem fair and square once, and would have beaten him a second time if he didn't throw the duel out the goodness of his heart. He should certainly be above Joey, who has never beaten Atem/Yugi or Kaiba. Over time I'd say Yugi, Kaiba, and Joey surpassed him. Maybe that's just me. Quote: It's debatable that she stopped being superior to him during Battle City based on their duels with Yami Marik. But either way, I don't think she should be above Yami Marik. I don't see her taking on two Egyptian Gods and acting like it's no big deal. Didn't she beat Marik? Quote: That said, here's my somewhat outdated list from a while back. Already I'm seeing a lot of s* I should change, but my top 10 from Duel Monsters and GX would be: 1. Dartz 2. Yugi 3. Atem 4. Kaiba 5. Jaden 6. Joey 7. Rafael 8. Bakura 9. Yami Marik 10. Valon I hardly remember the characters from GX, but I know Jaden was doing well against Atem after Battle City 2. I'm sure Darkness and Yubel would be somewhere on the higher end of the list too. Who was Valon?
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Notaka	Jul 27 2017, 10:23 PM Post #4
Always Wright Posts: 4,070 Group: Member Member #10,814 Joined: January 31, 2014 Country Algeria What Browser do you use? Waterfox Favourite Manga Dragon Ball, JoJo no kimyou na bouken, One piece, currently reading Shaman King	Didn't Pegasus already have a list of the best duelists in GX ? Like Yugi was first, Kaiba was second, Joey was third... My list would be(I'll only include the Original and GX): 1.Yugi Muto(End of original series) 2.Yami Yugi/Atem 3.Kaiba 4.Joey Wheeler 5.Jaden 6.Raphael 7.Dartz 8.Yami Marik 9.Yami Bakura 10.Kinda hard deciding this one, But I'd say someone from GX would fit the bill. Darkness/Nightshroud maybe ? Edited by Notaka, Jul 27 2017, 10:23 PM.
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+ Son-Goku	Jul 27 2017, 10:26 PM Post #5
孫悟空 Posts: 13,358 Group: Elite Member Member #12,886 Joined: January 24, 2016 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime DB/DBZ/DBS, Code Geass, Gintama, YYH, Death Note, and SAO. What Browser do you use? Google Chrome Favourite Manga Dragon Ball, Fairy Tail, and Naruto.	It was like. 1. Yugi 2. Kaiba 3. Joey 4. Jessie guy 5. Phoenix guy 6. Jaden
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Notaka	Jul 27 2017, 10:26 PM Post #6
Always Wright Posts: 4,070 Group: Member Member #10,814 Joined: January 31, 2014 Country Algeria What Browser do you use? Waterfox Favourite Manga Dragon Ball, JoJo no kimyou na bouken, One piece, currently reading Shaman King	Wait, Wasn't Jaden the one after Joey ?
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+ Son-Goku	Jul 27 2017, 10:29 PM Post #7
孫悟空 Posts: 13,358 Group: Elite Member Member #12,886 Joined: January 24, 2016 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime DB/DBZ/DBS, Code Geass, Gintama, YYH, Death Note, and SAO. What Browser do you use? Google Chrome Favourite Manga Dragon Ball, Fairy Tail, and Naruto.	Notaka Jul 27 2017, 10:26 PM Wait, Wasn't Jaden the one after Joey ? No, he was below Aster Phoenix and that other guy. I'm pretty sure he was below Aster.
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+ Pyrus	Jul 28 2017, 12:04 AM Post #8
Posts: 39,342 Group: Legend Member #5,088 Joined: August 1, 2010 Gender Not Specified Country Chile	Quote: Yami Marik only one the duel because Bakura didn't know the fullness of the egyptian god card, it was a rather cheap trick. Marik one with zero skill. I can't remember the duels in the manga, I don't think I've gotten that far yet. I don't think Bakura's name was ever mentioned in GX because he's dead and he never officially won a duel monsters duel against anyone but Bonz. The fact is Bakura had an Egyptian God Card in his control, a huge defensive wall that basically was invincible, and he tossed it out in favor of trash, thereby allowing his loss to occur. Bakura is tricky to evaluate because he never dueled to duel, and he always had a different deck. He was able to push Yugi into a corner with his Destiny Board strategy (albeit because Yugi admitted to underestimating him), but decided against doing the same to Yami Marik because it would be useless. Things like that make him harder to judge than someone like Yugi or Kaiba, who use the same stuff every duel, minus a few cards here and there. You could be right about the GX part. I totally forgot the guy was considered KIA after the Millennium World arc. EDIT: I'll fully admit he's a formidable duelist. He's not a pushover, but he's just not quite tier 1 material if you get what I'm saying. He legitimately beat people in a couple hours to get the Locator Cards for the Battle City finals in the manga, even though the anime made it less impressive with him just beating Bonz for his stuff. He had some very powerful cards like Dark Necrofear and Destiny Board, although the rest of his Occult deck wasn't necessarily good. But he's overwhelmed by the very best, such as Atem, Yugi, Kaiba, Dartz, and arguably Yami Marik. Quote: Over time I'd say Yugi, Kaiba, and Joey surpassed him. Maybe that's just me. Yeah, I agree, eventually Joey could probably be above Rafael. He likely wasn't mentioned in GX because he's technically non-canon and doesn't exist in that continuity. Quote: Didn't she beat Marik? Negative. People will argue she could have, but that's far from the truth. Marik had her in the palm of his hand the whole time. One problem with the anime is that it's an adaptation of the manga, and in the manga, the reason Mai didn't attack Marik directly for game with her three Harpies was because she used Elegant Egotist to Special Summon them, and Special Summoned monsters can't attack the same turn they're summoned (which is why Ra's "instant attack" was such a big deal, even though in the anime this rule is inconsistent). The anime left out this detail while still following the basic layout of the duel, which makes people believe she had him if not for being stupid and trying to use The Winged Dragon of Ra. Quote: Who was Valon? He was the one that fought against Joey in the Waking the Dragons arc. Edited by Pyrus, Jul 28 2017, 06:39 AM.
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+ Son-Goku	Jul 28 2017, 12:13 AM Post #9
孫悟空 Posts: 13,358 Group: Elite Member Member #12,886 Joined: January 24, 2016 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime DB/DBZ/DBS, Code Geass, Gintama, YYH, Death Note, and SAO. What Browser do you use? Google Chrome Favourite Manga Dragon Ball, Fairy Tail, and Naruto.	Oops I meant didn't Mai beat Joey, not Marik. At the time I agree that Marik was more skilled. Edit: During that Orichalcos Arc. Edited by Son-Goku, Jul 28 2017, 12:13 AM.
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+ Pyrus	Jul 28 2017, 06:50 AM Post #10
Posts: 39,342 Group: Legend Member #5,088 Joined: August 1, 2010 Gender Not Specified Country Chile	Yes, Mai did beat Joey in the Orichalcos arc once. Their first duel was interrupted by Valon, but she definitely would've lost if he hadn't. Their second duel was a foregone conclusion due to how beat up Joey was from dueling Valon right before, and he still wasn't going totally all-out on her, more like trying to talk some sense into her. In a fair fight, Joey would've taken Mai down. I try to preach that this show can't really be evaluated like the basic DBZ style A>B>C, but I find myself continuing to do that. We can't tell who the better duelist is by power level or who can make the bigger explosion. It's who has the better strategy, what are the duelists playing for, what are the outside influences if any, consistency, top decking, cheating, etc. Yugi beating Kaiba, but then Yugi losing to Rafael, doesn't automatically mean Rafael > Kaiba. I really wish the old YGO forum was still around, because there was a lot of good content regarding this.
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lazerbem	Jul 28 2017, 09:20 PM Post #11
Posts: 10,662 Group: Forum Moderator Member #10,435 Joined: November 1, 2013 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime Asura's Wrath(it counts) What Browser do you use? Google Chrome	Speaking so far as GX goes, I'm going to say that there's a lot of underestimating to them. When Pegasus made his statement, he had no clue about Jaden because it was prior to him even meeting him. He only knew the "pro league" players that were big and famous, which according to him ranked as such Yugi>Kaiba>Joey>Aster>Jesse However, there's context to this. Aster didn't have his full deck with Plasma at the time and Jesse didn't have Rainbow Dragon. This also took place before the Yubel arc, which is where Mr. Exodia shows up. Adrian Gecko's drawing ability was completely insane. He was on the verge of one turn killing Yubel with Exodia draws and Yubel only just got out of that. Yubel was also essentially handicapped at the time due to being exhausted from dueling Zane. Yubel still did beat him, but it was by exploiting Echo. Jaden then doesn't actually beat Yubel, he just fuses their souls together(which would probably mean he's got her dueling ability now). Then comes the actual duel between Jaden and Yugi, which Jaden wasn't going into looking for a win. He throws it once Yugi gets him to have fun again. Jaden should be considered on par with Yugi, imo. The other big dogs in GX I don't think quite reach that, but they're still very impressive nonetheless. Adrian Gecko's one turn Exodia followed by an invincible Exodius is just ridiculous.
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