What has Super added to the series that is worthwhile?

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What has Super added to the series that is worthwhile?
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+ ThePrinceOfSaiyans	Jul 23 2017, 08:27 PM Post #1
魔王子 Posts: 9,797 Group: Elite Member Member #10,492 Joined: November 16, 2013 Gender Male Favourite Anime Dragon Ball Z What Browser do you use? Google Chrome Favourite Manga Dragon Ball	Serious question, what has Super added to the franchise that you would consider worthwhile? I hate to be a negative Nancy, but you guys probably know I don't like Super at this point. I honestly can't think of much this series has given us that actually adds to the franchise beyond a superficial expansion. I mean, all the 12 universes really do, for example, is just expand the amount of species we'd inevitably encounter. Universe 6's take on the Saiyans has been the only interesting thing so far. Honestly, I feel Super has detracted from the overall lore by throwing Beerus at everything. How did Kaioshin get trapped in the Z-Sword? Beerus. Why did Freeza blow up Planet Vegeta? Beerus. Oh and don't even get me started on Zeno. I honestly don't like the concept of an Omnipotent being existing in a series like Dragon Ball as is, but child-like nature of Zeno just pisses me off. He isn't endearing in the least.
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* Yu Narukami	Jul 23 2017, 08:35 PM Post #2
Izanagi! Posts: 12,330 Group: Retired Staff Member #6,446 Joined: July 3, 2011 Gender Not Specified Country None	The only thing I can genuinely think of is Cabba. He's a really interesting character and it's really good to see a legitimately 'good' Saiyan, without all the baggage of pride or arrogance.



superperfectnerd	Jul 23 2017, 09:07 PM Post #3
Posts: 3,709 Group: Member Member #11,519 Joined: July 15, 2014	I agree that Beerus is a great character I think but he really does detract from everything. Why was Boo a threat? If the Supreme Kai dies so does Beerus? Then why was Beerus letting his Kai chase Bobidi for apparently a very long time if he could have ended that threat in an instant? Infact why didn't he erase Boo eons ago when he was killing Kais or even before!? I HATE that Beeus told Freeza to destroy Planet Vegeta! And also that Freeza was aware of Boo and Beerus and yet didn't train, he should think himself top dog but apparently Beerus humiliated him once? That flies in the face of Freeza's character! I do like Cabba as a heroic, respectful saiyan but he's a lot like Gohan really. I like the development of Vegeta and Bulma's relationship and his interaction with his future son, even if that arc ended a bit weirdly. I'm enjoying Goku being portrayed as very reckless so far I just wish there were repercussions for his character but I don't know yet. Freeza's second return is great, seeing him as not just a past benchmark who ruled with power but seeing his scheming and letting loose. I think it actually is making him an even more compelling villain right now. Goku and Vegeta being equal main characters up until now is refreshing too, they are after all the most popular pair and arguably two of the most popular anime characters of all time. Shared spotlight is awesome. Edited by superperfectnerd, Jul 23 2017, 09:09 PM.



+ Son-Goku	Jul 23 2017, 09:44 PM Post #4
孫悟空 Posts: 13,358 Group: Elite Member Member #12,886 Joined: January 24, 2016 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime DB/DBZ/DBS, Code Geass, Gintama, YYH, Death Note, and SAO. What Browser do you use? Google Chrome Favourite Manga Dragon Ball, Fairy Tail, and Naruto.	I think the story is a great layout for fans to make their own stories from it. There are lots of great things in Super, they just don't always use them wisely. They actually did a decent job with making some old characters relevant again (except Yamcha). Cabba and Black Goku are also pretty big awesome adds to series as well imo.
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superperfectnerd	Jul 23 2017, 10:03 PM Post #5
Posts: 3,709 Group: Member Member #11,519 Joined: July 15, 2014	I liked Black until he was just Zamassu, wanted a real evil Goku but admittedly, I don't know how to make him evil and sinister and still Goku. But Zamassu himself was just a bit 'meh' and knowing it's just that guy possessing Goku's body is a it rubbish for me.



+ PocketGoggu	Jul 23 2017, 11:00 PM Post #6
Royal Guard. Posts: 2,956 Group: Elite Member Member #13,836 Joined: April 19, 2017 Gender Male Favourite Anime JOJO! Hunter x Hunter, Death Note. What Browser do you use? Mozilla. Favourite Manga JOJO, Death Note, Hunter x Hunter... Berserk	superperfectnerd Jul 23 2017, 10:03 PM I liked Black until he was just Zamassu, wanted a real evil Goku but admittedly, I don't know how to make him evil and sinister and still Goku. But Zamassu himself was just a bit 'meh' and knowing it's just that guy possessing Goku's body is a it rubbish for me. Why would you want a real evil Goku? Its one of the most cliched, and tired idea's I've ever seen. Even then Black isn't an evil Goku in personality as well. He's technically the least similar to Goku out of all the Evil Goku's, and that's why everyone likes him in the first place as well. Edit: of course, making an Evil Goku in the first place is an easy thing to do. Make it so that Goku is the strongest being, and there's no one who can possibly give him a good Challenger, he would also be a mixture of Beerus, and Perfect Cell. Edited by PocketGoggu, Jul 23 2017, 11:07 PM.
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superperfectnerd	Jul 23 2017, 11:07 PM Post #7
Posts: 3,709 Group: Member Member #11,519 Joined: July 15, 2014	Because an evil Goku who isn't Goku...isn't Goku...so what's the point? And if he was Kakarot never bumping his head...again...not Goku. Like I said, I don't know myself how to make Goku have a sudden turn to evil but seeing him do that and still be the same Goku who went through the events of Dragon Ball and Z would be more interesting to me, than whiny Zamasu just stealing his face.



+ QueenTD	Jul 23 2017, 11:08 PM Post #8
My Dear Melancholy, Posts: 4,480 Group: Elite Member Member #11,589 Joined: August 8, 2014 Gender Female Country United States	An evil Goku would just be Perfect Cell.
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+ PocketGoggu	Jul 23 2017, 11:10 PM Post #9
Royal Guard. Posts: 2,956 Group: Elite Member Member #13,836 Joined: April 19, 2017 Gender Male Favourite Anime JOJO! Hunter x Hunter, Death Note. What Browser do you use? Mozilla. Favourite Manga JOJO, Death Note, Hunter x Hunter... Berserk	superperfectnerd Jul 23 2017, 11:07 PM Because an evil Goku who isn't Goku...isn't Goku...so what's the point? Like I said, I don't know myself how to make Goku have a sudden turn to evil but seeing him do that and still be the same Goku who went through the events of Dragon Ball and Z would be more interesting to me, than whiny Zamasu just stealing his face. Marketing, he's designed so that he looks like an evil Goku so that the sales are far bigger. A sudden turn of evil would be a sudden disservice to the character, for Goku to turn evil it would have to be a long, and slow evolution. Even then seeing the evolution that Zamasu took when he took over Goku's body is equally, if not more so fascinating than any evil Goku. Quote: An evil Goku would just be Perfect Cell. I would say Beerus is more of what an Evil Goku would be rather than Cell. Edited by PocketGoggu, Jul 23 2017, 11:13 PM.
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Darker	Jul 23 2017, 11:12 PM Post #10
The Lord of the Dark Posts: 15,356 Group: Member Member #11,968 Joined: January 7, 2015 Gender Male Country Spain	People like the idea of evil clones. Whether they're from alternate realities, robots, from outer space... They always seem beloved or well-recieved. I would've liked the idea of an evil Goku better had it been Goku's final test. Up to that point he had beaten the devil, his race's strongest warrior, the universe's strongest being, perfection incarnate and pure evil itself. His final challenge would've been to beat his mirror image, someone who was his equal, the last enemy to surpass and the last barrier to pass.
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superperfectnerd	Jul 23 2017, 11:13 PM Post #11
Posts: 3,709 Group: Member Member #11,519 Joined: July 15, 2014	Yeah I agree but being good marketing doesn't make me like it, I'd just prefer a real poignant fall from grace for Goku, even if I'm aware that it's difficult and won't happen.



+ Pyrus	Jul 23 2017, 11:22 PM Post #12
Posts: 39,342 Group: Legend Member #5,088 Joined: August 1, 2010 Gender Not Specified Country Chile	superperfectnerd Jul 23 2017, 09:07 PM I HATE that Beeus told Freeza to destroy Planet Vegeta! And also that Freeza was aware of Boo and Beerus and yet didn't train, he should think himself top dog but apparently Beerus humiliated him once? That flies in the face of Freeza's character! Maybe Freeza feared that if he trained to beat Beerus, Beerus would find out and erase him on the spot before he could get strong enough. That's why he waited until after he was revived so Beerus wouldn't suspect him of anything. But anyway... Super brings more development for Vegeta, at least in some aspects. Him staying by Bulma's side during the pregnancy rather than training was a great move to showcase his priorities now. The idea of there being multiple universes is still intriguing, although the execution hasn't been very good. Have we even gone to a different universe besides maybe 6? When I first heard of the multiverse element, I thought we'd basically get a new saga with each universe, giving us new adventures and adversaries. I've been heavily disappointed so far. Krillin got some love, making him a competent fighter again rather than a retired old fart with PTSD. Other than that, I don't know. Edited by Pyrus, Jul 23 2017, 11:23 PM.
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Thiln	Jul 24 2017, 02:24 AM Post #13
Posts: 2,481 Group: Member Member #12,166 Joined: March 23, 2015 Gender Male Favourite Anime Dragon Ball, Attack on Titan What Browser do you use? Google Chrome Favourite Manga Hokuto no Ken, Berserk, Dragon Ball, Rurouni Kenshin, Attack on Titan, Kuroshitsuji	Besides expansion of the geographical boundaries, deistic hierarchy, potential abilities, and races? It's offered some characters who weren't Saiyans the opportunity to gain some measure of substantive achievement after being deprived for so long. I will admit Super has many, many flaws, but overall it's been pretty enjoyable, at least for me. Without it we would just be pondering the same old questions related to power levels in the Buu arc and the questionable character choices made by Goku in the latter years of Z for the most part.



+ ThePrinceOfSaiyans	Jul 24 2017, 02:30 AM Post #14
魔王子 Posts: 9,797 Group: Elite Member Member #10,492 Joined: November 16, 2013 Gender Male Favourite Anime Dragon Ball Z What Browser do you use? Google Chrome Favourite Manga Dragon Ball	I'm not sure I'd consider new material for the sake of it to be something warranting Super's existence. Very few things feel like meaningful contributions to the franchise as a whole.
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Tapey	Jul 24 2017, 07:11 AM Post #15
Posts: 34 Group: Member Member #13,972 Joined: July 24, 2017 Gender Female Country United States Favourite Anime Clannad After Story What Browser do you use? Google Chrome Favourite Manga Love Hina	I really do like the continued development of Vegeta, just off the top of my head, I also like how they are bringing back strategy for the most part in fights, as opposed to just my stick is bigger than yours.



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