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Where do you place Kale in terms of power?
Topic Started: Jul 23 2017, 06:57 PM (18,958 Views)
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Below Jiren.
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Jul 25 2017, 11:52 AM
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Jul 25 2017, 11:00 AM
I'm pretty sure Ssj Blue Vegeta one shot SSJ Cabba with a punch back in the U6 vs U7 Tournament. Kale didn't one shot Cabba or Goku, so I really can't place her as strong as a SSJ Blue. Stronger than SSJ3? Sure, but Blue? I don't see it.
That's super logic right there. Same way they didn't one-shot Trunks like SSJR Black should of, or Merged Zamasu should of. Not really an argument when super failed many times to keep with the scaling, can't cherry pick one scene and ignore 60% of s

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I have her at or above ssj3. Toppo was suppressed as well that was obvious twice in thr fight. The difference between people like gohan fighting krillian and kale fighting goku was gohan was not trying to kill krillian but kale was trying to kill goku. One was holding back so they would not hurt them the other was at full power trying to kill. If you cant see the difference then you are blind. I dont have gohan blue teir as well. Jiren stepped in because she was going to kill someone and possibly someone on his team.


Trying to kill ? Remind me why you would think kale would succeed when she walked through his Kamehameha and literally knocked him out of blue just from an omnidirectorial attack that wasn't aiming at Goku to begin with ?

Your blind, not me, apparently Goku is holding back so much of his power that it was pointless for him to go SSjB to begin with and should of went SSj3 -.-

And no, your Toppo argument doesn't apply, because we are not talking about the ending, we are talking about the beginning with SSJ Goku. Kale being SSj3 tier is ridiculous


My toppo argument is 100% vallied dont ignore half the fight because it fits you. ssj3s stamina issue is much much worse then blues. So why would he use it if he can be that powerful as blue but with less stamina issues. The whole tournament has revolved around goku and vegeta conserving it for the stronger people.

And like i have yet to get a answer to. Please please for the love of god show me how she knocked him out of blue. Thats like saying he should have stayed as blue when he beat U9. Again he is saving his energy and stamina. There is no reason for him to stay as blue if the fight is over with. If she is blue teir and trying to kill him she would have succeed but she did not.
No it's not. I am not ignoring anything, you are just bringing up parts that are not relevant to the discussion. Toppo was dead set on killing Goku thinking his evil yet failed in his SSJ form, and when Goku powered up to blue, he fought toe to toe with him, that's the moments I am talking about, not when he powered up further which you keep on bringing up, so like i said, read the situation better.

Why would SSj3 do anything to someone who walks through a SSJB Kamehameha ? if SSj3 was enough, he would of went SSj3 since he can sense energy, yet all Goku did with Toppo, Gohan and Kale was just straight into blue, so SSj3 is nothing.

When she went wild -.- when he said ouch from Kale going crazy and before that he was in his SSJB form, yet the other guys like Califua are still in their SSj2 battle from battle. So please, don't make excuses now.

So like I said, anyone who sets Kale not SSJB level, is legit trolling at this point. No scratches on SSj2 Goku lol Trio Danger didn't get a scratch from both Goku and Vegeta attacks in their SSJB form, guess they where a bit higher then SSj2 level lol. Ki control lol good argument, just don't be biased and put Toppo, Gohan and 17 not on SSJB level since they all had much worse situations than Kale where they where rivaled before hand, unlike Kale who straight up dominated
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Jul 28 2017, 07:59 PM
People always trying to downplay Broly and Kale, ridiculous. He trashed the Z-fighters and Gohan fainted after his fight and had to try to resort to using lava. SSJ2 Goku couldn't hurt Kale and blue suppressed or not couldn't. Goku can read power levels, so there's no excuse for him to lose to Kale if he's stronger, period
That's because people rely too much on their own silly assumptions and too little on the series. People think if someone even pushes someone or flinches someone, they ae somehow on their level with Broly, yet apply the same situation to Janemba, they turn the other cheek.

I literally made a thread about this on how silly Broly being FP PC level in M8 or Good Buu level in 10 is, when both did nothing but show to be stronger then a SSJ or SSj2 but weaker then the next level.

And kale is no different, dumb arguments that literally makes me wonder if anyone was watching super at all. No scratches or holding back -.- yet biased because other situations had the same instances but they ignore it.
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I'm pretty sure Ssj Blue Vegeta one shot SSJ Cabba with a punch back in the U6 vs U7 Tournament. Kale didn't one shot Cabba or Goku, so I really can't place her as strong as a SSJ Blue. Stronger than SSJ3? Sure, but Blue? I don't see it.
That's super logic right there. Same way they didn't one-shot Trunks like SSJR Black should of, or Merged Zamasu should of. Not really an argument when super failed many times to keep with the scaling, can't cherry pick one scene and ignore 60% of s

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I have her at or above ssj3. Toppo was suppressed as well that was obvious twice in thr fight. The difference between people like gohan fighting krillian and kale fighting goku was gohan was not trying to kill krillian but kale was trying to kill goku. One was holding back so they would not hurt them the other was at full power trying to kill. If you cant see the difference then you are blind. I dont have gohan blue teir as well. Jiren stepped in because she was going to kill someone and possibly someone on his team.


Trying to kill ? Remind me why you would think kale would succeed when she walked through his Kamehameha and literally knocked him out of blue just from an omnidirectorial attack that wasn't aiming at Goku to begin with ?

Your blind, not me, apparently Goku is holding back so much of his power that it was pointless for him to go SSjB to begin with and should of went SSj3 -.-

And no, your Toppo argument doesn't apply, because we are not talking about the ending, we are talking about the beginning with SSJ Goku. Kale being SSj3 tier is ridiculous


My toppo argument is 100% vallied dont ignore half the fight because it fits you. ssj3s stamina issue is much much worse then blues. So why would he use it if he can be that powerful as blue but with less stamina issues. The whole tournament has revolved around goku and vegeta conserving it for the stronger people.

And like i have yet to get a answer to. Please please for the love of god show me how she knocked him out of blue. Thats like saying he should have stayed as blue when he beat U9. Again he is saving his energy and stamina. There is no reason for him to stay as blue if the fight is over with. If she is blue teir and trying to kill him she would have succeed but she did not.
No it's not. I am not ignoring anything, you are just bringing up parts that are not relevant to the discussion. Toppo was dead set on killing Goku thinking his evil yet failed in his SSJ form, and when Goku powered up to blue, he fought toe to toe with him, that's the moments I am talking about, not when he powered up further which you keep on bringing up, so like i said, read the situation better.

Why would SSj3 do anything to someone who walks through a SSJB Kamehameha ? if SSj3 was enough, he would of went SSj3 since he can sense energy, yet all Goku did with Toppo, Gohan and Kale was just straight into blue, so SSj3 is nothing.

When she went wild -.- when he said ouch from Kale going crazy and before that he was in his SSJB form, yet the other guys like Califua are still in their SSj2 battle from battle. So please, don't make excuses now.

So like I said, anyone who sets Kale not SSJB level, is legit trolling at this point. No scratches on SSj2 Goku lol Trio Danger didn't get a scratch from both Goku and Vegeta attacks in their SSJB form, guess they where a bit higher then SSj2 level lol. Ki control lol good argument, just don't be biased and put Toppo, Gohan and 17 not on SSJB level since they all had much worse situations than Kale where they where rivaled before hand, unlike Kale who straight up dominated
We are past that it was relevant earlier in the discussion.
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People always trying to downplay Broly and Kale, ridiculous. He trashed the Z-fighters and Gohan fainted after his fight and had to try to resort to using lava. SSJ2 Goku couldn't hurt Kale and blue suppressed or not couldn't. Goku can read power levels, so there's no excuse for him to lose to Kale if he's stronger, period
No one downplays broly. We just dont over exaggerate his feats to the point of destroying galaxies and being able to beat people like super buu. Its only the broly fans that take facts as downplaying him.
No, Pakl, Vegito1089 and YTM are prime examples but I've seen others. Pakl says Buujin (Bojack henchman) or a cell jr could take m8 Broly and MSSJ Gohan could take m10 Broly. And they always downplay the z-fighters power in those movies as well as Broly's feats
Can you not say 'Paki' please. It's horrible.
It's Pakl. He's an old troll from years past.
He's not a troll, he genuinely believes that the movies are based on the show or something like that
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Jul 30 2017, 02:51 AM
We are past that it was relevant earlier in the discussion.
I thought you would have abandoned this thread by now. There's no new ground to cover.
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Berserker Kale struggled even if it was a little, she struggled none the less with Caulifla in a beam struggle against those Pride Troopers. This tells me that the Pride Troopers Ki Blasts > SSB Gokus Kamehameha he used on Kale. I highly doubt those Troopers were even close to Toppo/SSB tier, so this is just more proof to me that Kale was never near FP SSJB Goku.
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Berserker Kale struggled even if it was a little, she struggled none the less with Caulifla in a beam struggle against those Pride Troopers. This tells me that the Pride Troopers Ki Blasts > SSB Gokus Kamehameha he used on Kale. I highly doubt those Troopers were even close to Toppo/SSB tier, so this is just more proof to me that Kale was never near FP SSJB Goku.
And Goku struggled with the khh he used on Kale and went SSB on the trio de dangers when he was already a SSJ, no excuse
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Berserker Kale struggled even if it was a little, she struggled none the less with Caulifla in a beam struggle against those Pride Troopers. This tells me that the Pride Troopers Ki Blasts > SSB Gokus Kamehameha he used on Kale. I highly doubt those Troopers were even close to Toppo/SSB tier, so this is just more proof to me that Kale was never near FP SSJB Goku.
Or proof that combination blasts are stronger than individual ones (especially considering their original target WAS Goku. It says nothing in regards to Goku's power.

With that said; I do think the episode solidified where Berserker Kale's actual strength is; a little below SSJ2 Caulifia.
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I think if anything, it showed her above Caulifla. She played a bigger part in that struggle.
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It wasn't until Caulifa went SSJ2 that the struggle was finished.
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Jul 30 2017, 04:10 PM
I think if anything, it showed her above Caulifla. She played a bigger part in that struggle.
Like someone mentioned. Kale helped after she went hulk again. But it was not until caulifa went ssj2 was the beam strong enough to over power the them.
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Yeah, but obviously Kale wasn't nearly as enraged as earlier, so she wasn't as strong.
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Yeah, but obviously Kale wasn't nearly as enraged as earlier, so she wasn't as strong.
That's probably how her state will work as I suspect Caulifia will see another transformation by the end of her time in the tournament.
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That's how I figured Berseker worked when she used it against Goku, although at that time she wasn't able to control that aspect. It gives her an out for being at various levels throughout the tournament, at least.

Episode 101 would imply Berseker gives the same boost as Super Saiyan 2, if Caulifla and Kale are supposed to be equals. I don't recall Caulifla ever being stated to be a lot stronger than Kale, but I could've missed it since I didn't watch their introduction episode.
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