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Where do you place Kale in terms of power?
Topic Started: Jul 23 2017, 06:57 PM (18,961 Views)
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Jul 25 2017, 01:55 AM
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The problem I see with making BSSJ Kale Blue tier is that it makes the boost from Blue seem incredibly minuscule. We see when someone is so far below Kale that she can damage them to the point of submission, more or less, but we didn't get that in the case of Goku.


How does it make Blue's multiplier small? It could easily mean Berserker has a similar or greater amp. Base Kale is nothing much power wise, so I don't see your point to be honest.
Kale was able to knock the Super Saiyan out of Cabba to the point where he was a deer in the headlights against her finishing blast, but this didn't happen with Goku, despite there being a gigantic gap if Kale is Blue tier.
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In that one scene? Most of the fight he was angry.

People like you piss me off, you wont admit to inconsistencies or PIS and haphazardly try to duct tape everything together even though it doesn't work. They had what was it 48 hours to assemble warriors and you mean to tell me she got THAT much stronger in that minuscule window of time? "Heightened state of aggression" How do you figure? She said "Cabba...kill" like against Goku, knocked him out of SSJ and even got some hits in on him while he was in base, yet he's not dead. SSJ2 Trunks and SSB Goku took a KHH from SSJR Black yet it ko'ed them both. How in the f*ck does that work if SSB Goku>>>SSJ2 Trunks? Trunks should be dead. Cauliflia didn't try to talk her down in the tournament of power, why would she? How is plot not a fair argument? That's the reality of it, plot armor. That's why its inconsistent.
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Jul 25 2017, 01:59 AM
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The problem I see with making BSSJ Kale Blue tier is that it makes the boost from Blue seem incredibly minuscule. We see when someone is so far below Kale that she can damage them to the point of submission, more or less, but we didn't get that in the case of Goku.


How does it make Blue's multiplier small? It could easily mean Berserker has a similar or greater amp. Base Kale is nothing much power wise, so I don't see your point to be honest.
Kale was able to knock the Super Saiyan out of Cabba to the point where he was a deer in the headlights against her finishing blast, but this didn't happen with Goku, despite there being a gigantic gap if Kale is Blue tier.
I'm not following, all this proves is that Super Saiyan Berserker Kale is stronger then Super Saiyan Cabba. Besides, Goku was in a stronger form also then Cabba.
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The problem I see with making BSSJ Kale Blue tier is that it makes the boost from Blue seem incredibly minuscule. We see when someone is so far below Kale that she can damage them to the point of submission, more or less, but we didn't get that in the case of Goku.


How does it make Blue's multiplier small? It could easily mean Berserker has a similar or greater amp. Base Kale is nothing much power wise, so I don't see your point to be honest.
Kale was able to knock the Super Saiyan out of Cabba to the point where he was a deer in the headlights against her finishing blast, but this didn't happen with Goku, despite there being a gigantic gap if Kale is Blue tier.
I'm not following, all this proves is that Super Saiyan Berserker Kale is stronger then Super Saiyan Cabba. Besides, Goku was in a stronger form also then Cabba.
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Jul 25 2017, 04:06 AM
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Jul 25 2017, 01:59 AM
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The problem I see with making BSSJ Kale Blue tier is that it makes the boost from Blue seem incredibly minuscule. We see when someone is so far below Kale that she can damage them to the point of submission, more or less, but we didn't get that in the case of Goku.


How does it make Blue's multiplier small? It could easily mean Berserker has a similar or greater amp. Base Kale is nothing much power wise, so I don't see your point to be honest.
Kale was able to knock the Super Saiyan out of Cabba to the point where he was a deer in the headlights against her finishing blast, but this didn't happen with Goku, despite there being a gigantic gap if Kale is Blue tier.
I'm not following, all this proves is that Super Saiyan Berserker Kale is stronger then Super Saiyan Cabba. Besides, Goku was in a stronger form also then Cabba.
Goku was only twice cabba so if she is blue teir him being 2x cabba should still mean he would get knocked out of ssj2 and even ssj3. if she is blue teir then these power ups for them still would make them ants to her. Over all i have her at ssj3 or a little above.
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People are trolling if they are saying she is lower then SSj3 tier, legit trolling. In what world would you rank her lower then SSj3 tier -.- because she didn't kill SSj2 Goku ? neither then Toppo and Gohan, neither do any of the stronger characters against lower characters. Like really people what bloody show where you guys watching before Kale fought Goku

Toppo was surprised of her, and even Jiren offered to finish her off, and Goku got kicked out of blue. Sorry, if you believe she is only SSj2 tier or SSj3, you are legit trolling, no other way around it. Stop being biased, if you have problems with it, go rank Mystic Gohan and Toppo the same way since they had a much worse performance before Goku going blue.

She is obviously above SSJB Goku, whether she is above KKx 10 Goku is unknown, maybe she is, but she is no where near Goku new form, since Jiren one-shot her. Seriously, people are ranking it based on damage smh honestly it's like they went from Z straight into this scene and missed the entirely of super completely before hand.
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Jul 25 2017, 10:40 AM
People are trolling if they are saying she is lower then SSj3 tier, legit trolling. In what world would you rank her lower then SSj3 tier -.- because she didn't kill SSj2 Goku ? neither then Toppo and Gohan, neither do any of the stronger characters against lower characters. Like really people what bloody show where you guys watching before Kale fought Goku

Toppo was surprised of her, and even Jiren offered to finish her off, and Goku got kicked out of blue. Sorry, if you believe she is only SSj2 tier or SSj3, you are legit trolling, no other way around it. Stop being biased, if you have problems with it, go rank Mystic Gohan and Toppo the same way since they had a much worse performance before Goku going blue.

She is obviously above SSJB Goku, whether she is above KKx 10 Goku is unknown, maybe she is, but she is no where near Goku new form, since Jiren one-shot her. Seriously, people are ranking it based on damage smh honestly it's like they went from Z straight into this scene and missed the entirely of super completely before hand.
I have her at or above ssj3. Toppo was suppressed as well that was obvious twice in thr fight. The difference between people like gohan fighting krillian and kale fighting goku was gohan was not trying to kill krillian but kale was trying to kill goku. One was holding back so they would not hurt them the other was at full power trying to kill. If you cant see the difference then you are blind. I dont have gohan blue teir as well. Jiren stepped in because she was going to kill someone and possibly someone on his team.
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I'm pretty sure Ssj Blue Vegeta one shot SSJ Cabba with a punch back in the U6 vs U7 Tournament. Kale didn't one shot Cabba or Goku, so I really can't place her as strong as a SSJ Blue. Stronger than SSJ3? Sure, but Blue? I don't see it.
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Jul 25 2017, 11:00 AM
I'm pretty sure Ssj Blue Vegeta one shot SSJ Cabba with a punch back in the U6 vs U7 Tournament. Kale didn't one shot Cabba or Goku, so I really can't place her as strong as a SSJ Blue. Stronger than SSJ3? Sure, but Blue? I don't see it.
That's super logic right there. Same way they didn't one-shot Trunks like SSJR Black should of, or Merged Zamasu should of. Not really an argument when super failed many times to keep with the scaling, can't cherry pick one scene and ignore 60% of s

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I have her at or above ssj3. Toppo was suppressed as well that was obvious twice in thr fight. The difference between people like gohan fighting krillian and kale fighting goku was gohan was not trying to kill krillian but kale was trying to kill goku. One was holding back so they would not hurt them the other was at full power trying to kill. If you cant see the difference then you are blind. I dont have gohan blue teir as well. Jiren stepped in because she was going to kill someone and possibly someone on his team.


Trying to kill ? Remind me why you would think kale would succeed when she walked through his Kamehameha and literally knocked him out of blue just from an omnidirectorial attack that wasn't aiming at Goku to begin with ?

Your blind, not me, apparently Goku is holding back so much of his power that it was pointless for him to go SSjB to begin with and should of went SSj3 -.-

And no, your Toppo argument doesn't apply, because we are not talking about the ending, we are talking about the beginning with SSJ Goku. Kale being SSj3 tier is ridiculous


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Jul 25 2017, 11:35 AM
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I'm pretty sure Ssj Blue Vegeta one shot SSJ Cabba with a punch back in the U6 vs U7 Tournament. Kale didn't one shot Cabba or Goku, so I really can't place her as strong as a SSJ Blue. Stronger than SSJ3? Sure, but Blue? I don't see it.
That's super logic right there. Same way they didn't one-shot Trunks like SSJR Black should of, or Merged Zamasu should of. Not really an argument when super failed many times to keep with the scaling, can't cherry pick one scene and ignore 60% of s

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I have her at or above ssj3. Toppo was suppressed as well that was obvious twice in thr fight. The difference between people like gohan fighting krillian and kale fighting goku was gohan was not trying to kill krillian but kale was trying to kill goku. One was holding back so they would not hurt them the other was at full power trying to kill. If you cant see the difference then you are blind. I dont have gohan blue teir as well. Jiren stepped in because she was going to kill someone and possibly someone on his team.


Trying to kill ? Remind me why you would think kale would succeed when she walked through his Kamehameha and literally knocked him out of blue just from an omnidirectorial attack that wasn't aiming at Goku to begin with ?

Your blind, not me, apparently Goku is holding back so much of his power that it was pointless for him to go SSjB to begin with and should of went SSj3 -.-

And no, your Toppo argument doesn't apply, because we are not talking about the ending, we are talking about the beginning with SSJ Goku. Kale being SSj3 tier is ridiculous


My toppo argument is 100% vallied dont ignore half the fight because it fits you. ssj3s stamina issue is much much worse then blues. So why would he use it if he can be that powerful as blue but with less stamina issues. The whole tournament has revolved around goku and vegeta conserving it for the stronger people.

And like i have yet to get a answer to. Please please for the love of god show me how she knocked him out of blue. Thats like saying he should have stayed as blue when he beat U9. Again he is saving his energy and stamina. There is no reason for him to stay as blue if the fight is over with. If she is blue teir and trying to kill him she would have succeed but she did not.
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I don't think there's any point in arguing here, I honestly think it could go either way.

Wouldn't surprise me if she's stronger than ssjb Goku.

Wouldn't surprise me if she's slightly weaker than ssjb Goku.

Wouldn't surprise me if she's ssj3 Goku level.

She resisted blue lie it was nothing and Goku could have added more power, he saw her walking through it but didn't amp up?

Then again, she can't flatten ssj2 Goku whilst seemingly trying to kill him.

Toppo was concerned.

I just don't know.
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Jul 25 2017, 02:51 PM
I don't think there's any point in arguing here, I honestly think it could go either way.

Wouldn't surprise me if she's stronger than ssjb Goku.

Wouldn't surprise me if she's slightly weaker than ssjb Goku.

Wouldn't surprise me if she's ssj3 Goku level.

She resisted blue lie it was nothing and Goku could have added more power, he saw her walking through it but didn't amp up?

Then again, she can't flatten ssj2 Goku whilst seemingly trying to kill him.

Toppo was concerned.

I just don't know.
How do you interpret Goku saying he would bring out a little more power? Do you think that was a general phrase that included his Kaio-ken variations as well?
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It's hard to believe that Goku was exerting his Full Power of Blue. He wasn't really trying to win when they fought. Otherwise he would have used his full power and if he was already using his full power, then he would have used Kaioken. As somebody pointed out me earlier on in this thread, Goku is conserving his energy. Which makes sense, there's a good majority of fighters left in the tournament.
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I don't think there's any point in arguing here, I honestly think it could go either way.

Wouldn't surprise me if she's stronger than ssjb Goku.

Wouldn't surprise me if she's slightly weaker than ssjb Goku.

Wouldn't surprise me if she's ssj3 Goku level.

She resisted blue lie it was nothing and Goku could have added more power, he saw her walking through it but didn't amp up?

Then again, she can't flatten ssj2 Goku whilst seemingly trying to kill him.

Toppo was concerned.

I just don't know.
How do you interpret Goku saying he would bring out a little more power? Do you think that was a general phrase that included his Kaio-ken variations as well?
I interpret it as goku using ssjb and suppressing himself closer to ssj3. Goku likes to gauge his opponents with ssjb. He wouldn't care to defeat kale, who's stronger than Caulifla, on the spot so why would he use 100% right away
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I guess we'll see soon, Kale is still on the stage, although, I don't want to see her getting upset about somebody keeping Kale distracted from her again.
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