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Where do you place Kale in terms of power?
Topic Started: Jul 23 2017, 06:57 PM (18,963 Views)
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Jul 24 2017, 12:44 AM
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Jul 24 2017, 12:41 AM
If struggling to get out of her grip means not showing any signs of struggling, then I agree.

Also, there's no explanation for her not straight up ripping his head off when he was a Super Saiyan 2 if she was Blue level. That'd be like Goku not being able to kill Krillin.
I mean, he did about as much as anyone has done in that kind of situation. He gripped her wrists. That's the same thing Yamcha did when Gero grabbed his face then stabbed him in the chest.
We can tell Yamcha is struggling by the veins bulging, sweat dripping, and muffled noises he's making. Goku displayed none of that in Kale's grip except for the muffled noises. In fact, she's the one with bulging veins on her hand, implying a great deal of effort on her part.

So lack of control means she's unable to put enough power into killing someone she's blatantly said she's going to kill? I don't really buy that. She knew what her intent was.
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Jul 24 2017, 12:41 AM
If struggling to get out of her grip means not showing any signs of struggling, then I agree.

Also, there's no explanation for her not straight up ripping his head off when he was a Super Saiyan 2 if she was Blue level. That'd be like Goku not being able to kill Krillin.
I mean, he did about as much as anyone has done in that kind of situation. He gripped her wrists. That's the same thing Yamcha did when Gero grabbed his face then stabbed him in the chest.
We can tell Yamcha is struggling by the veins bulging, sweat dripping, and muffled noises he's making. Goku displayed none of that in Kale's grip except for the muffled noises. In fact, she's the one with bulging veins on her hand, implying a great deal of effort on her part.
I could believe she's below Goku's full power. But, I mean, below Super Saiyan 3? After tanking his attacks as a Super Saiyan Blue? Even if he's not at full power, it's still going to be stronger than SS3.

Edit: Yeah, my lack of control comment was pointless.
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I have no issue with her being Super Saiyan 3 tier, or even higher, but it gets to the point where I have to question how she didn't kill him if she was Super Saiyan Blue tier. She had no other goal on her mind at that point.

Hell, if there was some indication her power rose throughout the fight, I'd love that...even if it would give Broly fans an orgasm.
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Jul 24 2017, 12:52 AM
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Jul 24 2017, 12:49 AM
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Jul 24 2017, 12:44 AM
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Jul 24 2017, 12:41 AM
If struggling to get out of her grip means not showing any signs of struggling, then I agree.

Also, there's no explanation for her not straight up ripping his head off when he was a Super Saiyan 2 if she was Blue level. That'd be like Goku not being able to kill Krillin.
I mean, he did about as much as anyone has done in that kind of situation. He gripped her wrists. That's the same thing Yamcha did when Gero grabbed his face then stabbed him in the chest.
We can tell Yamcha is struggling by the veins bulging, sweat dripping, and muffled noises he's making. Goku displayed none of that in Kale's grip except for the muffled noises. In fact, she's the one with bulging veins on her hand, implying a great deal of effort on her part.
I could believe she's below Goku's full power. But, I mean, below Super Saiyan 3? After tanking his attacks as a Super Saiyan Blue? Even if he's not at full power, it's still going to be stronger than SS3.

Edit: Yeah, my lack of control comment was pointless.
Why would Goku launch a full-powered, SSJB-fueled Kamehameha at her? He knows how dangerous that would be.

Like I said, she would've turned his skull to mush if she was anywhere near SSJB.
Edited by Slifer, Jul 24 2017, 01:01 AM.
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Jul 24 2017, 12:44 AM
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Jul 24 2017, 12:41 AM
If struggling to get out of her grip means not showing any signs of struggling, then I agree.

Also, there's no explanation for her not straight up ripping his head off when he was a Super Saiyan 2 if she was Blue level. That'd be like Goku not being able to kill Krillin.
I mean, he did about as much as anyone has done in that kind of situation. He gripped her wrists. That's the same thing Yamcha did when Gero grabbed his face then stabbed him in the chest.
We can tell Yamcha is struggling by the veins bulging, sweat dripping, and muffled noises he's making. Goku displayed none of that in Kale's grip except for the muffled noises. In fact, she's the one with bulging veins on her hand, implying a great deal of effort on her part.
I could believe she's below Goku's full power. But, I mean, below Super Saiyan 3? After tanking his attacks as a Super Saiyan Blue? Even if he's not at full power, it's still going to be stronger than SS3.

Edit: Yeah, my lack of control comment was pointless.
Why would Goku launch a full-powered, SSJB-fueled Kamehameha at her? He knows how dangerous that would be.

Like I said, she would've turned his skull to mush if she was anywhere near SSJB.
Still, a normal SSB Kamehameha is going to be stronger than a SS3 one. How does this put her that low?

@Pyrus: Okay, I can agree with that.
Edited by Son-Goku, Jul 24 2017, 01:07 AM.
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Jul 24 2017, 12:49 AM
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Jul 24 2017, 12:44 AM
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Jul 24 2017, 12:41 AM
If struggling to get out of her grip means not showing any signs of struggling, then I agree.

Also, there's no explanation for her not straight up ripping his head off when he was a Super Saiyan 2 if she was Blue level. That'd be like Goku not being able to kill Krillin.
I mean, he did about as much as anyone has done in that kind of situation. He gripped her wrists. That's the same thing Yamcha did when Gero grabbed his face then stabbed him in the chest.
We can tell Yamcha is struggling by the veins bulging, sweat dripping, and muffled noises he's making. Goku displayed none of that in Kale's grip except for the muffled noises. In fact, she's the one with bulging veins on her hand, implying a great deal of effort on her part.
I could believe she's below Goku's full power. But, I mean, below Super Saiyan 3? After tanking his attacks as a Super Saiyan Blue? Even if he's not at full power, it's still going to be stronger than SS3.

Edit: Yeah, my lack of control comment was pointless.
Why would Goku launch a full-powered, SSJB-fueled Kamehameha at her? He knows how dangerous that would be.

Like I said, she would've turned his skull to mush if she was anywhere near SSJB.
Still, a normal SSB Kamehameha is going to be stronger than a SS3 one. How does this put her that low?
It doesn't necessarily have to be, at least not by a ton. Do you think SSJB Goku's Kamehameha against Krillin was anywhere near SSJ3?

I'm not comparing Krillin and Kale but you get my point.
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Jul 24 2017, 12:49 AM
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Jul 24 2017, 12:41 AM
If struggling to get out of her grip means not showing any signs of struggling, then I agree.

Also, there's no explanation for her not straight up ripping his head off when he was a Super Saiyan 2 if she was Blue level. That'd be like Goku not being able to kill Krillin.
I mean, he did about as much as anyone has done in that kind of situation. He gripped her wrists. That's the same thing Yamcha did when Gero grabbed his face then stabbed him in the chest.
We can tell Yamcha is struggling by the veins bulging, sweat dripping, and muffled noises he's making. Goku displayed none of that in Kale's grip except for the muffled noises. In fact, she's the one with bulging veins on her hand, implying a great deal of effort on her part.
I could believe she's below Goku's full power. But, I mean, below Super Saiyan 3? After tanking his attacks as a Super Saiyan Blue? Even if he's not at full power, it's still going to be stronger than SS3.

Edit: Yeah, my lack of control comment was pointless.
Why would Goku launch a full-powered, SSJB-fueled Kamehameha at her? He knows how dangerous that would be.

Like I said, she would've turned his skull to mush if she was anywhere near SSJB.
Still, a normal SSB Kamehameha is going to be stronger than a SS3 one. How does this put her that low?
It doesn't necessarily have to be, at least not by a ton. Do you think SSJB Goku's Kamehameha against Krillin was anywhere near SSJ3?

I'm not comparing Krillin and Kale but you get my point.
Yeah, I get what you're saying. I didn't take any of the gathering of warriors stuff seriously.

I guess this is Super. Knowing this series she'll transform again and Tien will beat her with a Dodon Ray.
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Jul 24 2017, 12:49 AM
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Jul 24 2017, 12:44 AM
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Jul 24 2017, 12:41 AM
If struggling to get out of her grip means not showing any signs of struggling, then I agree.

Also, there's no explanation for her not straight up ripping his head off when he was a Super Saiyan 2 if she was Blue level. That'd be like Goku not being able to kill Krillin.
I mean, he did about as much as anyone has done in that kind of situation. He gripped her wrists. That's the same thing Yamcha did when Gero grabbed his face then stabbed him in the chest.
We can tell Yamcha is struggling by the veins bulging, sweat dripping, and muffled noises he's making. Goku displayed none of that in Kale's grip except for the muffled noises. In fact, she's the one with bulging veins on her hand, implying a great deal of effort on her part.
I could believe she's below Goku's full power. But, I mean, below Super Saiyan 3? After tanking his attacks as a Super Saiyan Blue? Even if he's not at full power, it's still going to be stronger than SS3.

Edit: Yeah, my lack of control comment was pointless.
Why would Goku launch a full-powered, SSJB-fueled Kamehameha at her? He knows how dangerous that would be.

Like I said, she would've turned his skull to mush if she was anywhere near SSJB.
Still, a normal SSB Kamehameha is going to be stronger than a SS3 one. How does this put her that low?
It doesn't necessarily have to be, at least not by a ton. Do you think SSJB Goku's Kamehameha against Krillin was anywhere near SSJ3?

I'm not comparing Krillin and Kale but you get my point.
No no no, you can't use PIS to prove your point. I already addressed this. And her not killing him? Are you serious? As if she's even allowed to. He couldnt hurt her in SSJ2 anyways, she could've killed him if she wanted to.
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"Sir, you're being investigated for the attempted murder of your wife. Witnesses place you at the scene shouting 'kill!' over and over while physically battering your wife. Can you explain that?"
"Oh, that's easily explainable, officer. I didn't actually mean I was going to kill her. I was just saying that for dramatic effect. Duh. If I wanted her dead, I would've done it."

Does not compute.
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Jul 24 2017, 03:52 AM
"Sir, you're being investigated for the attempted murder of your wife. Witnesses place you at the scene shouting 'kill!' over and over while physically battering your wife. Can you explain that?"
"Oh, that's easily explainable, officer. I didn't actually mean I was going to kill her. I was just saying that for dramatic effect. Duh. If I wanted her dead, I would've done it."

Does not compute.
Suppressed or not he skipped 3 and went straight to blue, still stood no chance. But you mean to tell me you dont think she could've killed him when he was SSJ2? What's next dude? Gonna say Kale cant kill Cabba? That SSJ Broly can't kill Base Gohan? That LSSJ Broly couldn't kill the Z-fighters? Etc. The reason nobody dies is because plot and you know it. "She didn't kill them so she can't be that strong" is a weak and desperate attempt at an argument and you know it. She also didn't kill the weak a*** crab guy and the weak pride trooper for the record too.
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Probably less than blue, seeing as Jiren one shots Kale, I doubt they would have ssb Goku that much inferior to Jiren
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Probably less than blue, seeing as Jiren one shots Kale, I doubt they would have ssb Goku that much inferior to Jiren
Idk, Goku has Kaioken x10 and a new transformation is being hinted. So i think Jiren is above regular SSB either way. If not wouldn't Jiren pretty much be fodder to Goku?
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Probably less than blue, seeing as Jiren one shots Kale, I doubt they would have ssb Goku that much inferior to Jiren
Idk, Goku has Kaioken x10 and a new transformation is being hinted. So i think Jiren is above regular SSB either way. If not wouldn't Jiren pretty much be fodder to Goku?
Oh no, I totally Agree that Jiren will be stronger than Blue, but the point im trying to make is I dont think Jiren can one shot goku blue like he did Kale, leading me to believe that Kale would be weaker than Goku blue
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Probably less than blue, seeing as Jiren one shots Kale, I doubt they would have ssb Goku that much inferior to Jiren
Idk, Goku has Kaioken x10 and a new transformation is being hinted. So i think Jiren is above regular SSB either way. If not wouldn't Jiren pretty much be fodder to Goku?
Oh no, I totally Agree that Jiren will be stronger than Blue, but the point im trying to make is I dont think Jiren can one shot goku blue like he did Kale, leading me to believe that Kale would be weaker than Goku blue
If Jiren can ko her with one punch or kick then yeah I agree with you. But he blindsided her with a big energy attack so it's hard to say
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Jul 24 2017, 06:51 AM
Probably less than blue, seeing as Jiren one shots Kale, I doubt they would have ssb Goku that much inferior to Jiren
Idk, Goku has Kaioken x10 and a new transformation is being hinted. So i think Jiren is above regular SSB either way. If not wouldn't Jiren pretty much be fodder to Goku?
Oh no, I totally Agree that Jiren will be stronger than Blue, but the point im trying to make is I dont think Jiren can one shot goku blue like he did Kale, leading me to believe that Kale would be weaker than Goku blue
If Jiren can ko her with one punch or kick then yeah I agree with you. But he blindsided her with a big energy attack so it's hard to say
Too be honest I think Kales roll in this was to show off just how powerful Jiren is, but I think im rambling now
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