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It's not even 'no scratches'. How damaged to you think Goku has to be to be knocked out of a form? If it's not much, then it's not a good feat, and if it's a lot, why doesn't he show any kind of injury through either his appearance or his dialogue? Nobody gets knocked out of a form and walks around fine, casually saying 'yo' not even a few seconds after being knocked out of it.
Kale does. This tournament is 48 minutes, 11 minutes has passed and she's already been knocked out 3 times. I could attribute Jiren knocking her out due to her being tired if I really wanted to.
That's due to Stamina, and when she was knocked out of Berserker by Jiren, did you notice that she didn't get up and walk around a few seconds later?
Every single instance of somebody being knocked out of a form in this series, they haven't been up, fine and acting as though nothing happened. Why would this one be the exception?
Do you know that for sure? She could've been up again within under a minute. She got ko'ed 3 times in 11 minutes and got back up, how hurt could she be. Majin Vegeta knocked Goku out and he was out for hours. Same when Gohan fought Buu.
Yes, I do, because she was knocked out and Caulifla was talking about how she rested and regained some stamina. Even if she got back up in less than a minute, she was still knocked unconscious for that amount of time. Goku was thrown into some rocks and maybe got hit by a Ki blast, and he's up and fine within seconds. You don't see a difference there?
And even then, I'm talking about being knocked out of forms. Like Trunks when he got knocked out of Super Saiyan by #18 back in the Android Arc, or when SSB Vegeta got stabbed by Black and fell out of the transformation. People have only ever fell out of transformations if they've been incredibly injured or if they've been knocked out, and clearly neither of those happened to Goku.
Yes, I do, because she was knocked out and Caulifla was talking about how she rested and regained some stamina. Even if she got back up in less than a minute, she was still knocked unconscious for that amount of time. Goku was thrown into some rocks and maybe got hit by a Ki blast, and he's up and fine within seconds. You don't see a difference there?
And even then, I'm talking about being knocked out of forms. Like Trunks when he got knocked out of Super Saiyan by #18 back in the Android Arc, or when SSB Vegeta got stabbed by Black and fell out of the transformation. People have only ever fell out of transformations if they've been incredibly injured or if they've been knocked out, and clearly neither of those happened to Goku.
Do you know how long he was laying there? Again no, and he got up in base. For all you know he was knocked out. Why would he go to base while lying in rubble? If she got up that quickly then she really wasn't that damaged and like I said I could attribute her getting knocked out to her getting tired. Vegeta and Trunks were out for hours and couldn't stand-up. Vegeta ko'ed Goku and he was out for hours. Can you explain to me why that is they were out for hours and she was out for 3 minutes max? They're clearly not the same thing.
It's not even 'no scratches'. How damaged to you think Goku has to be to be knocked out of a form? If it's not much, then it's not a good feat, and if it's a lot, why doesn't he show any kind of injury through either his appearance or his dialogue? Nobody gets knocked out of a form and walks around fine, casually saying 'yo' not even a few seconds after being knocked out of it.
Kale does. This tournament is 48 minutes, 11 minutes has passed and she's already been knocked out 3 times. I could attribute Jiren knocking her out due to her being tired if I really wanted to.
That's due to Stamina, and when she was knocked out of Berserker by Jiren, did you notice that she didn't get up and walk around a few seconds later?
Every single instance of somebody being knocked out of a form in this series, they haven't been up, fine and acting as though nothing happened. Why would this one be the exception?
Do you know that for sure? She could've been up again within under a minute. She got ko'ed 3 times in 11 minutes and got back up, how hurt could she be. Majin Vegeta knocked Goku out and he was out for hours. Same when Gohan fought Buu.
Yes, I do, because she was knocked out and Caulifla was talking about how she rested and regained some stamina. Even if she got back up in less than a minute, she was still knocked unconscious for that amount of time. Goku was thrown into some rocks and maybe got hit by a Ki blast, and he's up and fine within seconds. You don't see a difference there?
And even then, I'm talking about being knocked out of forms. Like Trunks when he got knocked out of Super Saiyan by #18 back in the Android Arc, or when SSB Vegeta got stabbed by Black and fell out of the transformation. People have only ever fell out of transformations if they've been incredibly injured or if they've been knocked out, and clearly neither of those happened to Goku.
Yes, I do, because she was knocked out and Caulifla was talking about how she rested and regained some stamina. Even if she got back up in less than a minute, she was still knocked unconscious for that amount of time. Goku was thrown into some rocks and maybe got hit by a Ki blast, and he's up and fine within seconds. You don't see a difference there?
And even then, I'm talking about being knocked out of forms. Like Trunks when he got knocked out of Super Saiyan by #18 back in the Android Arc, or when SSB Vegeta got stabbed by Black and fell out of the transformation. People have only ever fell out of transformations if they've been incredibly injured or if they've been knocked out, and clearly neither of those happened to Goku.
Do you know how long he was laying there? Again no, and he got up in base. For all you know he was knocked out. Why would he go to base while lying in rubble? If she got up that quickly then she really wasn't that damaged and like I said I could attribute her getting knocked out to her getting tired. Vegeta and Trunks were out for hours and couldn't stand-up. Vegeta ko'ed Goku and he was out for hours. Can you explain to me why that is they were out for hours and she was out for 3 minutes max? They're clearly not the same thing.
You don't get knocked out and then regain consciousness and come out of the rocks like you're fine and like nothing happened within a few seconds, that's madness. Even Kale grimaces when she wakes up and gets up, and doesn't actually do anything until the whole Pride Trooper thing starts. Goku just says 'ow, ow, ow' casually as he lifts the rock up. Goku's manner implies that he hasn't been knocked out.
Actually, do you have any evidence that he was hit by her attack? All we see is him rising up from the rubble after dodging one of the blasts and running away. For someone who loves to point out 'head-canons' so much, can you prove that him getting hit and knocked out of SSB isn't simply yours? If she's as strong as you claim, wouldn't getting hit by one of those attacks be devastating for him?
It's not even 'no scratches'. How damaged to you think Goku has to be to be knocked out of a form? If it's not much, then it's not a good feat, and if it's a lot, why doesn't he show any kind of injury through either his appearance or his dialogue? Nobody gets knocked out of a form and walks around fine, casually saying 'yo' not even a few seconds after being knocked out of it.
Kale does. This tournament is 48 minutes, 11 minutes has passed and she's already been knocked out 3 times. I could attribute Jiren knocking her out due to her being tired if I really wanted to.
That's due to Stamina, and when she was knocked out of Berserker by Jiren, did you notice that she didn't get up and walk around a few seconds later?
Every single instance of somebody being knocked out of a form in this series, they haven't been up, fine and acting as though nothing happened. Why would this one be the exception?
Do you know that for sure? She could've been up again within under a minute. She got ko'ed 3 times in 11 minutes and got back up, how hurt could she be. Majin Vegeta knocked Goku out and he was out for hours. Same when Gohan fought Buu.
Yes, I do, because she was knocked out and Caulifla was talking about how she rested and regained some stamina. Even if she got back up in less than a minute, she was still knocked unconscious for that amount of time. Goku was thrown into some rocks and maybe got hit by a Ki blast, and he's up and fine within seconds. You don't see a difference there?
And even then, I'm talking about being knocked out of forms. Like Trunks when he got knocked out of Super Saiyan by #18 back in the Android Arc, or when SSB Vegeta got stabbed by Black and fell out of the transformation. People have only ever fell out of transformations if they've been incredibly injured or if they've been knocked out, and clearly neither of those happened to Goku.
Yes, I do, because she was knocked out and Caulifla was talking about how she rested and regained some stamina. Even if she got back up in less than a minute, she was still knocked unconscious for that amount of time. Goku was thrown into some rocks and maybe got hit by a Ki blast, and he's up and fine within seconds. You don't see a difference there?
And even then, I'm talking about being knocked out of forms. Like Trunks when he got knocked out of Super Saiyan by #18 back in the Android Arc, or when SSB Vegeta got stabbed by Black and fell out of the transformation. People have only ever fell out of transformations if they've been incredibly injured or if they've been knocked out, and clearly neither of those happened to Goku.
Do you know how long he was laying there? Again no, and he got up in base. For all you know he was knocked out. Why would he go to base while lying in rubble? If she got up that quickly then she really wasn't that damaged and like I said I could attribute her getting knocked out to her getting tired. Vegeta and Trunks were out for hours and couldn't stand-up. Vegeta ko'ed Goku and he was out for hours. Can you explain to me why that is they were out for hours and she was out for 3 minutes max? They're clearly not the same thing.
You don't get knocked out and then regain consciousness and come out of the rocks like you're fine and like nothing happened within a few seconds, that's madness. Even Kale grimaces when she wakes up and gets up, and doesn't actually do anything until the whole Pride Trooper thing starts. Goku just says 'ow, ow, ow' casually as he lifts the rock up. Goku's manner implies that he hasn't been knocked out.
Actually, do you have any evidence that he was hit by her attack? All we see is him rising up from the rubble after dodging one of the blasts and running away. For someone who loves to point out 'head-canons' so much, can you prove that him getting hit and knocked out of SSB isn't simply yours? If she's as strong as you claim, wouldn't getting hit by one of those attacks be devastating for him?
You don't get knocked out and then regain consciousness and come out of the rocks like you're fine and like nothing happened within a few seconds, that's madness. Even Kale grimaces when she wakes up and gets up, and doesn't actually do anything until the whole Pride Trooper thing starts. Goku just says 'ow, ow, ow' casually as he lifts the rock up. Goku's manner implies that he hasn't been knocked out.
Actually, do you have any evidence that he was hit by her attack? All we see is him rising up from the rubble after dodging one of the blasts and running away. For someone who loves to point out 'head-canons' so much, can you prove that him getting hit and knocked out of SSB isn't simply yours? If she's as strong as you claim, wouldn't getting hit by one of those attacks be devastating for him?
You're being petty at this point and not answering my questions, they both got up extremely quickly and were fine. Why was Goku in base? And that's just Goku's optimistic attitude. What attack? She threw him and he was in the rubble, moments later he gets up in base. That attack? That's the one I'm talking about. I never asserted he got knocked out of blue, but you are assuming he wasn't as you are assuming he wasn't knocked out. If Jiren was so strong to casually one shot Kale than why did she get up so quickly? Why wasn't she knocked out for very long? Whereas Goku was knocked out for hours when Majin Vegeta hit him? You keep ducking.
It's not even 'no scratches'. How damaged to you think Goku has to be to be knocked out of a form? If it's not much, then it's not a good feat, and if it's a lot, why doesn't he show any kind of injury through either his appearance or his dialogue? Nobody gets knocked out of a form and walks around fine, casually saying 'yo' not even a few seconds after being knocked out of it.
Kale does. This tournament is 48 minutes, 11 minutes has passed and she's already been knocked out 3 times. I could attribute Jiren knocking her out due to her being tired if I really wanted to.
That's due to Stamina, and when she was knocked out of Berserker by Jiren, did you notice that she didn't get up and walk around a few seconds later?
Every single instance of somebody being knocked out of a form in this series, they haven't been up, fine and acting as though nothing happened. Why would this one be the exception?
Do you know that for sure? She could've been up again within under a minute. She got ko'ed 3 times in 11 minutes and got back up, how hurt could she be. Majin Vegeta knocked Goku out and he was out for hours. Same when Gohan fought Buu.
Yes, I do, because she was knocked out and Caulifla was talking about how she rested and regained some stamina. Even if she got back up in less than a minute, she was still knocked unconscious for that amount of time. Goku was thrown into some rocks and maybe got hit by a Ki blast, and he's up and fine within seconds. You don't see a difference there?
And even then, I'm talking about being knocked out of forms. Like Trunks when he got knocked out of Super Saiyan by #18 back in the Android Arc, or when SSB Vegeta got stabbed by Black and fell out of the transformation. People have only ever fell out of transformations if they've been incredibly injured or if they've been knocked out, and clearly neither of those happened to Goku.
Yes, I do, because she was knocked out and Caulifla was talking about how she rested and regained some stamina. Even if she got back up in less than a minute, she was still knocked unconscious for that amount of time. Goku was thrown into some rocks and maybe got hit by a Ki blast, and he's up and fine within seconds. You don't see a difference there?
And even then, I'm talking about being knocked out of forms. Like Trunks when he got knocked out of Super Saiyan by #18 back in the Android Arc, or when SSB Vegeta got stabbed by Black and fell out of the transformation. People have only ever fell out of transformations if they've been incredibly injured or if they've been knocked out, and clearly neither of those happened to Goku.
Do you know how long he was laying there? Again no, and he got up in base. For all you know he was knocked out. Why would he go to base while lying in rubble? If she got up that quickly then she really wasn't that damaged and like I said I could attribute her getting knocked out to her getting tired. Vegeta and Trunks were out for hours and couldn't stand-up. Vegeta ko'ed Goku and he was out for hours. Can you explain to me why that is they were out for hours and she was out for 3 minutes max? They're clearly not the same thing.
You don't get knocked out and then regain consciousness and come out of the rocks like you're fine and like nothing happened within a few seconds, that's madness. Even Kale grimaces when she wakes up and gets up, and doesn't actually do anything until the whole Pride Trooper thing starts. Goku just says 'ow, ow, ow' casually as he lifts the rock up. Goku's manner implies that he hasn't been knocked out.
Actually, do you have any evidence that he was hit by her attack? All we see is him rising up from the rubble after dodging one of the blasts and running away. For someone who loves to point out 'head-canons' so much, can you prove that him getting hit and knocked out of SSB isn't simply yours? If she's as strong as you claim, wouldn't getting hit by one of those attacks be devastating for him?
You don't get knocked out and then regain consciousness and come out of the rocks like you're fine and like nothing happened within a few seconds, that's madness. Even Kale grimaces when she wakes up and gets up, and doesn't actually do anything until the whole Pride Trooper thing starts. Goku just says 'ow, ow, ow' casually as he lifts the rock up. Goku's manner implies that he hasn't been knocked out.
Actually, do you have any evidence that he was hit by her attack? All we see is him rising up from the rubble after dodging one of the blasts and running away. For someone who loves to point out 'head-canons' so much, can you prove that him getting hit and knocked out of SSB isn't simply yours? If she's as strong as you claim, wouldn't getting hit by one of those attacks be devastating for him?
You're being petty at this point and not answering my questions, they both got up extremely quickly and were fine. Why was Goku in base? And that's just Goku's optimistic attitude. What attack? She threw him and he was in the rubble, moments later he gets up in base. That attack? That's the one I'm talking about. I never asserted he got knocked out of blue, but you are assuming he wasn't as you are assuming he wasn't knocked out. If Jiren was so strong to casually one shot Kale than why did she get up so quickly? Why wasn't she knocked out for very long? Whereas Goku was knocked out for hours when Majin Vegeta hit him? You keep ducking.
She throws him away, and then we see him dodge a Ki blast and jump away. Nothing suggests he got hit by the attack or, if he did, he must've taken pretty much no damage from it.
He was in Base because he was preserving stamina. What's the point in staying in Blue during intervals? He can transform into SSJ2 or SSB instantly, so it's not as if he needs to stay Blue when Kale is looking for him and then walking towards him.
If you don't assert that he wasn't knocked out of Blue, why do you think he was in Base when he came out of the rubble?
As for Jiren's attack, I'll admit, she probably took it, and then fell out of the form due to being tired. Due to that being the issue instead of any kind of serious injury, it was easier to remedy and she didn't have to sleep for a ridiculous amount of time.
Any evidence for Goku being knocked out for hours by Majin Vegeta?
It's not even 'no scratches'. How damaged to you think Goku has to be to be knocked out of a form? If it's not much, then it's not a good feat, and if it's a lot, why doesn't he show any kind of injury through either his appearance or his dialogue? Nobody gets knocked out of a form and walks around fine, casually saying 'yo' not even a few seconds after being knocked out of it.
Kale does. This tournament is 48 minutes, 11 minutes has passed and she's already been knocked out 3 times. I could attribute Jiren knocking her out due to her being tired if I really wanted to.
That's due to Stamina, and when she was knocked out of Berserker by Jiren, did you notice that she didn't get up and walk around a few seconds later?
Every single instance of somebody being knocked out of a form in this series, they haven't been up, fine and acting as though nothing happened. Why would this one be the exception?
Do you know that for sure? She could've been up again within under a minute. She got ko'ed 3 times in 11 minutes and got back up, how hurt could she be. Majin Vegeta knocked Goku out and he was out for hours. Same when Gohan fought Buu.
Yes, I do, because she was knocked out and Caulifla was talking about how she rested and regained some stamina. Even if she got back up in less than a minute, she was still knocked unconscious for that amount of time. Goku was thrown into some rocks and maybe got hit by a Ki blast, and he's up and fine within seconds. You don't see a difference there?
And even then, I'm talking about being knocked out of forms. Like Trunks when he got knocked out of Super Saiyan by #18 back in the Android Arc, or when SSB Vegeta got stabbed by Black and fell out of the transformation. People have only ever fell out of transformations if they've been incredibly injured or if they've been knocked out, and clearly neither of those happened to Goku.
Yes, I do, because she was knocked out and Caulifla was talking about how she rested and regained some stamina. Even if she got back up in less than a minute, she was still knocked unconscious for that amount of time. Goku was thrown into some rocks and maybe got hit by a Ki blast, and he's up and fine within seconds. You don't see a difference there?
And even then, I'm talking about being knocked out of forms. Like Trunks when he got knocked out of Super Saiyan by #18 back in the Android Arc, or when SSB Vegeta got stabbed by Black and fell out of the transformation. People have only ever fell out of transformations if they've been incredibly injured or if they've been knocked out, and clearly neither of those happened to Goku.
Do you know how long he was laying there? Again no, and he got up in base. For all you know he was knocked out. Why would he go to base while lying in rubble? If she got up that quickly then she really wasn't that damaged and like I said I could attribute her getting knocked out to her getting tired. Vegeta and Trunks were out for hours and couldn't stand-up. Vegeta ko'ed Goku and he was out for hours. Can you explain to me why that is they were out for hours and she was out for 3 minutes max? They're clearly not the same thing.
You don't get knocked out and then regain consciousness and come out of the rocks like you're fine and like nothing happened within a few seconds, that's madness. Even Kale grimaces when she wakes up and gets up, and doesn't actually do anything until the whole Pride Trooper thing starts. Goku just says 'ow, ow, ow' casually as he lifts the rock up. Goku's manner implies that he hasn't been knocked out.
Actually, do you have any evidence that he was hit by her attack? All we see is him rising up from the rubble after dodging one of the blasts and running away. For someone who loves to point out 'head-canons' so much, can you prove that him getting hit and knocked out of SSB isn't simply yours? If she's as strong as you claim, wouldn't getting hit by one of those attacks be devastating for him?
You don't get knocked out and then regain consciousness and come out of the rocks like you're fine and like nothing happened within a few seconds, that's madness. Even Kale grimaces when she wakes up and gets up, and doesn't actually do anything until the whole Pride Trooper thing starts. Goku just says 'ow, ow, ow' casually as he lifts the rock up. Goku's manner implies that he hasn't been knocked out.
Actually, do you have any evidence that he was hit by her attack? All we see is him rising up from the rubble after dodging one of the blasts and running away. For someone who loves to point out 'head-canons' so much, can you prove that him getting hit and knocked out of SSB isn't simply yours? If she's as strong as you claim, wouldn't getting hit by one of those attacks be devastating for him?
You're being petty at this point and not answering my questions, they both got up extremely quickly and were fine. Why was Goku in base? And that's just Goku's optimistic attitude. What attack? She threw him and he was in the rubble, moments later he gets up in base. That attack? That's the one I'm talking about. I never asserted he got knocked out of blue, but you are assuming he wasn't as you are assuming he wasn't knocked out. If Jiren was so strong to casually one shot Kale than why did she get up so quickly? Why wasn't she knocked out for very long? Whereas Goku was knocked out for hours when Majin Vegeta hit him? You keep ducking.
She throws him away, and then we see him dodge a Ki blast and jump away. Nothing suggests he got hit by the attack or, if he did, he must've taken pretty much no damage from it.
He was in Base because he was preserving stamina. What's the point in staying in Blue during intervals? He can transform into SSJ2 or SSB instantly, so it's not as if he needs to stay Blue when Kale is looking for him and then walking towards him.
If you don't assert that he wasn't knocked out of Blue, why do you think he was in Base when he came out of the rubble?
As for Jiren's attack, I'll admit, she probably took it, and then fell out of the form due to being tired. Due to that being the issue instead of any kind of serious injury, it was easier to remedy and she didn't have to sleep for a ridiculous amount of time.
Any evidence for Goku being knocked out for hours by Majin Vegeta?
Can you link it? I honestly have no clue what you're talking about. I never said anything about that attack, I don't even remember it. Or he was knocked out of it, you're just assuming again. Why would he even power-down in the middle of a fight? It's my opinion but I didn't assert it, you're the one asserting things. I remember it being hours but we can assume a long amount of time. He tracked down Buu, fought Buu, talked to Trunks, died, etc. And Goku still hadn't woken up.
It's not even 'no scratches'. How damaged to you think Goku has to be to be knocked out of a form? If it's not much, then it's not a good feat, and if it's a lot, why doesn't he show any kind of injury through either his appearance or his dialogue? Nobody gets knocked out of a form and walks around fine, casually saying 'yo' not even a few seconds after being knocked out of it.
Kale does. This tournament is 48 minutes, 11 minutes has passed and she's already been knocked out 3 times. I could attribute Jiren knocking her out due to her being tired if I really wanted to.
That's due to Stamina, and when she was knocked out of Berserker by Jiren, did you notice that she didn't get up and walk around a few seconds later?
Every single instance of somebody being knocked out of a form in this series, they haven't been up, fine and acting as though nothing happened. Why would this one be the exception?
Do you know that for sure? She could've been up again within under a minute. She got ko'ed 3 times in 11 minutes and got back up, how hurt could she be. Majin Vegeta knocked Goku out and he was out for hours. Same when Gohan fought Buu.
Yes, I do, because she was knocked out and Caulifla was talking about how she rested and regained some stamina. Even if she got back up in less than a minute, she was still knocked unconscious for that amount of time. Goku was thrown into some rocks and maybe got hit by a Ki blast, and he's up and fine within seconds. You don't see a difference there?
And even then, I'm talking about being knocked out of forms. Like Trunks when he got knocked out of Super Saiyan by #18 back in the Android Arc, or when SSB Vegeta got stabbed by Black and fell out of the transformation. People have only ever fell out of transformations if they've been incredibly injured or if they've been knocked out, and clearly neither of those happened to Goku.
Yes, I do, because she was knocked out and Caulifla was talking about how she rested and regained some stamina. Even if she got back up in less than a minute, she was still knocked unconscious for that amount of time. Goku was thrown into some rocks and maybe got hit by a Ki blast, and he's up and fine within seconds. You don't see a difference there?
And even then, I'm talking about being knocked out of forms. Like Trunks when he got knocked out of Super Saiyan by #18 back in the Android Arc, or when SSB Vegeta got stabbed by Black and fell out of the transformation. People have only ever fell out of transformations if they've been incredibly injured or if they've been knocked out, and clearly neither of those happened to Goku.
Do you know how long he was laying there? Again no, and he got up in base. For all you know he was knocked out. Why would he go to base while lying in rubble? If she got up that quickly then she really wasn't that damaged and like I said I could attribute her getting knocked out to her getting tired. Vegeta and Trunks were out for hours and couldn't stand-up. Vegeta ko'ed Goku and he was out for hours. Can you explain to me why that is they were out for hours and she was out for 3 minutes max? They're clearly not the same thing.
You don't get knocked out and then regain consciousness and come out of the rocks like you're fine and like nothing happened within a few seconds, that's madness. Even Kale grimaces when she wakes up and gets up, and doesn't actually do anything until the whole Pride Trooper thing starts. Goku just says 'ow, ow, ow' casually as he lifts the rock up. Goku's manner implies that he hasn't been knocked out.
Actually, do you have any evidence that he was hit by her attack? All we see is him rising up from the rubble after dodging one of the blasts and running away. For someone who loves to point out 'head-canons' so much, can you prove that him getting hit and knocked out of SSB isn't simply yours? If she's as strong as you claim, wouldn't getting hit by one of those attacks be devastating for him?
You don't get knocked out and then regain consciousness and come out of the rocks like you're fine and like nothing happened within a few seconds, that's madness. Even Kale grimaces when she wakes up and gets up, and doesn't actually do anything until the whole Pride Trooper thing starts. Goku just says 'ow, ow, ow' casually as he lifts the rock up. Goku's manner implies that he hasn't been knocked out.
Actually, do you have any evidence that he was hit by her attack? All we see is him rising up from the rubble after dodging one of the blasts and running away. For someone who loves to point out 'head-canons' so much, can you prove that him getting hit and knocked out of SSB isn't simply yours? If she's as strong as you claim, wouldn't getting hit by one of those attacks be devastating for him?
You're being petty at this point and not answering my questions, they both got up extremely quickly and were fine. Why was Goku in base? And that's just Goku's optimistic attitude. What attack? She threw him and he was in the rubble, moments later he gets up in base. That attack? That's the one I'm talking about. I never asserted he got knocked out of blue, but you are assuming he wasn't as you are assuming he wasn't knocked out. If Jiren was so strong to casually one shot Kale than why did she get up so quickly? Why wasn't she knocked out for very long? Whereas Goku was knocked out for hours when Majin Vegeta hit him? You keep ducking.
She throws him away, and then we see him dodge a Ki blast and jump away. Nothing suggests he got hit by the attack or, if he did, he must've taken pretty much no damage from it.
He was in Base because he was preserving stamina. What's the point in staying in Blue during intervals? He can transform into SSJ2 or SSB instantly, so it's not as if he needs to stay Blue when Kale is looking for him and then walking towards him.
If you don't assert that he wasn't knocked out of Blue, why do you think he was in Base when he came out of the rubble?
As for Jiren's attack, I'll admit, she probably took it, and then fell out of the form due to being tired. Due to that being the issue instead of any kind of serious injury, it was easier to remedy and she didn't have to sleep for a ridiculous amount of time.
Any evidence for Goku being knocked out for hours by Majin Vegeta?
You know how dumb that sounds? Why would he power down to base unless he knows he's won? When he knows his opponent is beaten is when he reverts to base. The guy was still facing Kale who's clearly a threat if she can't control her power and no sells his God Kamehameha with no problem then proceeds to choke him out.
@Pick Can you back that opinion up? He wasn't shown being hit by any kind of attack after he was thrown away, so what knocked him out of it? He's not unconscious, he's not injured, he just gets up like normal. As for with Majin Vegeta, with the level the guy's at, it wouldn't take him long to do all of that at all.
@Solid He showed no signs of being forced out of SSB, so it's just as much of an assumption to say or think that actually happened. I said it before; stamina. He can transform in an instant, so he doesn't have to keep the forum up constantly just to be prepared. The amount of stamina he saves by powering down could be vital at some point, and there's no real downside to him doing it.
She did nothing to him. I know you'll just respond with ''she dominated him'' or ''battle damage doesn't matter'', but he took everything she threw at him without a sweat.
@Pick Can you back that opinion up? He wasn't shown being hit by any kind of attack after he was thrown away, so what knocked him out of it? He's not unconscious, he's not injured, he just gets up like normal. As for with Majin Vegeta, with the level the guy's at, it wouldn't take him long to do all of that at all.
@Solid He showed no signs of being forced out of SSB, so it's just as much of an assumption to say or think that actually happened. I said it before; stamina. He can transform in an instant, so he doesn't have to keep the forum up constantly just to be prepared. The amount of stamina he saves by powering down could be vital at some point, and there's no real downside to him doing it.
She did nothing to him. I know you'll just respond with ''she dominated him'' or ''battle damage doesn't matter'', but he took everything she threw at him without a sweat.
When did Goku wake up exactly? >.> When he hit the rock. He was still facing Kale so why power-down? Again, no scratches and not being injured is not a valid argument, same happened with Kale so why are you still using it?
@Pick Can you back that opinion up? He wasn't shown being hit by any kind of attack after he was thrown away, so what knocked him out of it? He's not unconscious, he's not injured, he just gets up like normal. As for with Majin Vegeta, with the level the guy's at, it wouldn't take him long to do all of that at all.
@Solid He showed no signs of being forced out of SSB, so it's just as much of an assumption to say or think that actually happened. I said it before; stamina. He can transform in an instant, so he doesn't have to keep the forum up constantly just to be prepared. The amount of stamina he saves by powering down could be vital at some point, and there's no real downside to him doing it.
She did nothing to him. I know you'll just respond with ''she dominated him'' or ''battle damage doesn't matter'', but he took everything she threw at him without a sweat.
When did Goku wake up exactly? >.> When he hit the rock. He was still facing Kale so why power-down? Again, no scratches and not being injured is not a valid argument, same happened with Kale so why are you still using it?
He didn't get hit by anything apart from rubble. We see Kale throw him, then he gets up. She launches Ki blasts everywhere and we see him dodge one and jump away. We don't see a Ki blast hit him at all, so nothing could've knocked him out of SSB.
I've said it like five times already; stamina and Ki. He can transform near instantly, so if Kale did decide to attack him again, he could transform with utter ease. What's the point in staying in SSB when you don't have to.
I'm not dropping the damage argument because it's stupid to go against it. I'm talking about damage overall. Not just scratches and outward appearances, but whether they act injured as well. Whether they struggle to stand up, pant, those kinds of things. We see that with literally every other instance, but Goku's here taking hits and none of them are there. It's either an outlier, or he wasn't getting damaged.
@Pick Can you back that opinion up? He wasn't shown being hit by any kind of attack after he was thrown away, so what knocked him out of it? He's not unconscious, he's not injured, he just gets up like normal. As for with Majin Vegeta, with the level the guy's at, it wouldn't take him long to do all of that at all.
@Solid He showed no signs of being forced out of SSB, so it's just as much of an assumption to say or think that actually happened. I said it before; stamina. He can transform in an instant, so he doesn't have to keep the forum up constantly just to be prepared. The amount of stamina he saves by powering down could be vital at some point, and there's no real downside to him doing it.
She did nothing to him. I know you'll just respond with ''she dominated him'' or ''battle damage doesn't matter'', but he took everything she threw at him without a sweat.
When did Goku wake up exactly? >.> When he hit the rock. He was still facing Kale so why power-down? Again, no scratches and not being injured is not a valid argument, same happened with Kale so why are you still using it?
He didn't get hit by anything apart from rubble. We see Kale throw him, then he gets up. She launches Ki blasts everywhere and we see him dodge one and jump away. We don't see a Ki blast hit him at all, so nothing could've knocked him out of SSB.
I've said it like five times already; stamina and Ki. He can transform near instantly, so if Kale did decide to attack him again, he could transform with utter ease. What's the point in staying in SSB when you don't have to.
I'm not dropping the damage argument because it's stupid to go against it. I'm talking about damage overall. Not just scratches and outward appearances, but whether they act injured as well. Whether they struggle to stand up, pant, those kinds of things. We see that with literally every other instance, but Goku's here taking hits and none of them are there. It's either an outlier, or he wasn't getting damaged.
It didn't show him dodge it, you're just assuming he did and right after he was in base. Why would he be in base in the middle of a fight while sitting in rubble? Even if he can transform into it again? You're using special pleading if you still use the damage argument. Kale got knocked out plenty of times and was fine, just stop it, your argument is indefensible.
I've said it in the post just then, stamina. SSB is a draining form, and any chance he can get to regain some stamina by not using it is valuable due to how important stamina is in the ToP.
Lemme get this straight; you're ignoring every single instance of battle damage ever in any Dragon Ball series just to make Kale stronger?
I've said it in the post just then, stamina. SSB is a draining form, and any chance he can get to regain some stamina by not using it is valuable due to how important stamina is in the ToP.
Lemme get this straight; you're ignoring every single instance of battle damage ever in any Dragon Ball series just to make Kale stronger?
You apply this logic to Goku but not to Kale which makes it bs. He dodged one blast. If he dodged them all then how did he end up under rubble? There's nothing above him, there's just ground. He was in the middle of a fight, so no he didn't transform back to base. When does this happen in the middle of a fight? Never.
I've said it in the post just then, stamina. SSB is a draining form, and any chance he can get to regain some stamina by not using it is valuable due to how important stamina is in the ToP.
Lemme get this straight; you're ignoring every single instance of battle damage ever in any Dragon Ball series just to make Kale stronger?
You apply this logic to Goku but not to Kale which makes it bs. He dodged one blast. If he dodged them all then how did he end up under rubble? There's nothing above him, there's just ground. He was in the middle of a fight, so no he didn't transform back to base. When does this happen in the middle of a fight? Never.
Are you trying to tell me that every single one of those blasts is > SSB Goku, or so close to his power that they could do a lot of damage? That's the only possible way he could've been knocked out of SSB.
Oh, here's a question for you on that topic. If he was knocked out of it, why didn't he transform back into it straight away?
I've said it in the post just then, stamina. SSB is a draining form, and any chance he can get to regain some stamina by not using it is valuable due to how important stamina is in the ToP.
Lemme get this straight; you're ignoring every single instance of battle damage ever in any Dragon Ball series just to make Kale stronger?
You apply this logic to Goku but not to Kale which makes it bs. He dodged one blast. If he dodged them all then how did he end up under rubble? There's nothing above him, there's just ground. He was in the middle of a fight, so no he didn't transform back to base. When does this happen in the middle of a fight? Never.
Are you trying to tell me that every single one of those blasts is > SSB Goku, or so close to his power that they could do a lot of damage? That's the only possible way he could've been knocked out of SSB.
Oh, here's a question for you on that topic. If he was knocked out of it, why didn't he transform back into it straight away?
I doubt every blast was equal and Kale already gave him a beating, why can't his energy have been drained? All you did was duck my questions. If Goku can transform at a moments notice than why didn't he when Toppo attacked him?
I've said it in the post just then, stamina. SSB is a draining form, and any chance he can get to regain some stamina by not using it is valuable due to how important stamina is in the ToP.
Lemme get this straight; you're ignoring every single instance of battle damage ever in any Dragon Ball series just to make Kale stronger?
You apply this logic to Goku but not to Kale which makes it bs. He dodged one blast. If he dodged them all then how did he end up under rubble? There's nothing above him, there's just ground. He was in the middle of a fight, so no he didn't transform back to base. When does this happen in the middle of a fight? Never.
Are you trying to tell me that every single one of those blasts is > SSB Goku, or so close to his power that they could do a lot of damage? That's the only possible way he could've been knocked out of SSB.
Oh, here's a question for you on that topic. If he was knocked out of it, why didn't he transform back into it straight away?
I doubt every blast was equal and Kale already gave him a beating, why can't his energy have been drained? All you did was duck my questions. If Goku can transform at a moments notice than why didn't he when Toppo attacked him?
Really? His energy was drained? How can you tell, was he panting?
He didn't feel the need to transform in that instance. And while you say I'm ducking your questions, you ducked mine too; why didn't he transform as soon as he got out of the rubble if he was knocked out of SSB?